Brighton Sky Blue
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It’s why Trump appoints fossil fuel executives to take charge of the EPA. Cripple it, have it do badly then bin it off.
defund, render unfit for purpose, privatise. The oldest trick in the neo liberal book.
You will notice that I have been criticising Corbyn for his handling of Brexit for ages. But he cannot simultaneously be obstructing it and trying to cancel it.
Does NHS funding keep going up?They know they would never get away with directly dismantling it. Easier to underfund it, have it do poorly and then get a consensus for privatisation. The process for doing that in education is nearly finished.
So how many of these developed nations you say about have funded healthcare for all?Compared to the other developed nations we are cheaper or on par. Compared to a free market system we are much cheaper.
Healthcare is expensive if you want to cover everyone. But any sane society does.
Oh yes back to it being the Tories alone again.Well yup, but since Thatcherism we have increasingly gone down the privatisation route.
If it's not nailed down the Tories usually want to privatise it.
And then we also have Trump who thinks everything is for sale and even thought he could buy Greenland.
Does NHS funding keep going up?
Yes, of course. We have seen bits of the NHS syphoned off for a while now.Oh yes back to it being the Tories alone again.
Do we have to point out that the last Labour government speeded up privatisation of the NHS again? Then someone says they didn't. Then I show the irrefutable evidence. Then nobody mentions it again for a bit of time.
Been there several times before.
Correct.
He should have come out with a plan from the start. The plan should have been in or out. It has cost Labour a lot of votes.
Are you saying that you haven't defended the Labour plan on Brexit.
Labour have had a problem with this from the start. Pretty much you would have to say, Labour are a remain party. Trouble is, a very large swathe of Labour voters are for leave.I’ve been criticising Labour’s approach to it for ages.
But accelerated under Labour. And only blamed on the Tories.Yes, of course. We have seen bits of the NHS syphoned off for a while now.
So why have you never said a word when the normal suspects have a go at me for saying it?I’ve been criticising Labour’s approach to it for ages.
We have an NHS badge but believe me it is being hollowed out all over the placeEasy to say but not prove.
We nearly always have a Tory government. And we still have the NHS.
Yet I have always been wrong and a leaver for saying so.Labour have had a problem with this from the start. Pretty much you would have to say, Labour are a remain party. Trouble is, a very large swathe of Labour voters are for leave.
So why have you never said a word when the normal suspects have a go at me for saying it?
I know it is. But look at the comments. All supposed to be by the Tories.We have an NHS badge but believe me it is being hollowed out all over the place
When was that? Because you have never defended me in any way for saying exactly the same thing.I have argued the point with some of the ‘normal suspects’ for ages as well.
I can recall many people on here including myself blaming (New) Labour for the introduction PFI, (I'm fairly sure it was actually the tories but Labour accelerated it like you said).But accelerated under Labour. And only blamed on the Tories.
So how many of these developed nations you say about have funded healthcare for all?
Did they get told? Maybe you rely on rumour, conjecture or know something many of us do not?
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Britain won't necessarily have a choice in the matter as long as it remains in the EU. I would eventually expect the whole of the EU to adopt a single healthcare system and that's more likely to be the so-called 'Bismack model' than the Beveridge system, or possibly a mixture of the two.
Correct.
He should have come out with a plan from the start. The plan should have been in or out. It has cost Labour a lot of votes.
Are you saying that you haven't defended the Labour plan on Brexit.
Why would that happen and why wouldn’t we opt out? Is this like the EU army tinfoil hattery?
Where have I even hinted they would be the same?I can recall many people on here including myself blaming (New) Labour for the introduction PFI, (I'm fairly sure it was actually the tories but Labour accelerated it like you said).
I'm not sure what your point is, do you think a Corbyn government would be similar to Blairs government?
And it has and will continue to cost votes for Labour. And that is my point.Labour have been soft Brexit since day one. They tagged the confirmatory referendum on recently but it’s been a customs unions “jobs first Brexit” for ages.
FactCheck: Corbyn’s changing Brexit stance
I did and others did.Where have I even hinted they would be the same?
So who agreed with me when I said what happened under Labour? How many agreed? Yes. Absolutely none. But how many had a go at me for mentioning it and saying I was wrong? Quite a few.
Would still be preferable to the US model.
And it has and will continue to cost votes for Labour. And that is my point.
I did and others did.
Slagging Blair is only just behind slagging wasps in subjects that unite this forum.
It wasn't just Bliar.I did and others did.
Slagging Blair is only just behind slagging wasps in subjects that unite this forum.
Of course. Just can’t see the EU unifying healthcare any time soon.
Would cost too much just to bring a couple of countries in the EU up to date.Of course. Just can’t see the EU unifying healthcare any time soon.
It wasn't just Bliar.
But shall we look back at the abuse and who by each time I mentioned it? Look at how much Labour were defended it?
Would be one of them times that looking at an old thread makes you smile.
And here you are twisting the truth as usual.Astute still can’t decide is he hates Blair and want a left wing Labour or thinks Corbyn is scary and wants Blairism I see.
And here you are twisting the truth as usual.
Bliar should have been tried for war crimes. He took us to war on a lie. Under Corbyn Labour haven't put a strong case for or against for Brexit.
So how did you come to that rubbish?
Yes it is irrelevant. But it shows that once in power the reality of the situation hits home and the promises are not kept.To be honest it's irrelevant who causes the issue. It's who's going to save the NHS that is now the question.
I don't think the answer to that is the tories
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