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Astute

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  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #876
Ian1779 said:
pointless trying to get a straight answer from him. Yesterday Michael Gove made an anti-Semitic comment on social media breaking the IHRA definition.

No one gave a fuck because he’s a Tory.
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If it would have been mentioned on here not one person would have tried defending it. Not seen anything on it myself. But if it was a Labour MP there would have been several suddenly appearing to defend him.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #877
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Let’s play this game again-find a quote or article from Corbyn where he expresses support for the IRA’s attacks on Britain.
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Click on the title on the picture for the link.

Ian Austin MP: The current Labour leadership is completely outside Labour’s mainstream tradition

What They Don’t Tell You about Jeremy Corbyn

Jack Straw's Damning Take On National Security Under A Corbyn Government - LBC
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #878
shmmeee said:
Can I just say I’m shocked that our security services are so poor that a terrorist sympathising traitor has been allowed to be a Member of Parliament let alone Leader of the Opposition.

I hope there’ll be a full review into how this happened.
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And I'm still shocked about who Corbyn was allowed to take into parliament fir a visit when the bombs were still being planted.

But Corbyn has never said that he was a member of the IRA although he had several close ties. So he can't have been. Yet everyone else is a liar.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #879
Philosorapter said:
Looks like one raisin short of a complete fruitcake to me.

The Labour candidate for Coventry South.

Great to see her getting Coventry in the news so soon.

Labour candidate sorry for 'celebrate deaths' post
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So somebody who wishes death on certain people and supports violent resistance gets dropped into a Labour safe seat with Labour using the excuse of it being a snap election.

Nothing wrong here as Corbyn didn't say the words out loud. It can't be true.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #880
But to bring balance on who we can trust...

'I hung around outside the food bank, embarrassed to go in'

None of pledged starter homes built, says watchdog
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #881
Astute said:
And I'm still shocked about who Corbyn was allowed to take into parliament fir a visit when the bombs were still being planted.

But Corbyn has never said that he was a member of the IRA although he had several close ties. So he can't have been. Yet everyone else is a liar.
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If there is genuine evidence of any of this, let it be given to the police and Corbyn can be arrested for his role in facilitating terrorism.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #882
What is pretty clear though is that Corbyn won’t stand in the way of another Scottish indyref-another red line for me personally.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #883
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What is pretty clear though is that Corbyn won’t stand in the way of another Scottish indyref-another red line for me personally.
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People have the right to change their minds - you can’t champion a PV but not allow Scotland a voice in its independence. I don’t think it’s a good idea personally, but it’s up to to them to decide.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #884
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What is pretty clear though is that Corbyn won’t stand in the way of another Scottish indyref-another red line for me personally.
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Remaining in the UK sold was a vote for a guaranteeing continued membership of the EU. Since then it hasn’t exactly turned out that way, if the vote is denied it’s only going to increase resentment and the out vote there. I think Scottish independence is inevitable.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #885
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If there is genuine evidence of any of this, let it be given to the police and Corbyn can be arrested for his role in facilitating terrorism.
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So either you didn't read the links or strangely enough you can't comprehend the words.

Can't say I am surprised.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #886
Ian1779 said:
People have the right to change their minds - you can’t champion a PV but not allow Scotland a voice in its independence. I don’t think it’s a good idea personally, but it’s up to to them to decide.
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Which is what I previously said a couple of days ago. They voted to remain in the UK. But that was when we were remaining in the EU. If we do end up leaving it is only right that they get another shot at it. Then the ones that have always wanted out can't say or use it against anyone if the public still chose to be in the UK.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #887
Ian1779 said:
People have the right to change their minds - you can’t champion a PV but not allow Scotland a voice in its independence. I don’t think it’s a good idea personally, but it’s up to to them to decide.
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Sick Boy said:
Remaining in the UK sold was a vote for a guaranteeing continued membership of the EU. Since then it hasn’t exactly turned out that way, if the vote is denied it’s only going to increase resentment and the out vote there. I think Scottish independence is inevitable.
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There isn’t majority support for another referendum in Scotland even despite Brexit. Allowing Sturgeon free rein to call the shots despite having done a crap job in charge is unforgivable in my view.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #888
Astute said:
So either you didn't read the links or strangely enough you can't comprehend the words.

Can't say I am surprised.
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I can comprehend the words but I can’t comprehend why he hasn’t been arrested or even investigated yet when to all intents and purposes he’s been joining Gerry Adams on bomb plants.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #889
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There isn’t majority support for another referendum in Scotland even despite Brexit. Allowing Sturgeon free rein to call the shots despite having done a crap job in charge is unforgivable in my view.
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But they should be given the choice on remaining in the EU. They voted for it with a large majority.

Or is your problem England had a large majority to leave the EU and the Scottish numbers brought the vote closer?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #890
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I can comprehend the words but I can’t comprehend why he hasn’t been arrested or even investigated yet when to all intents and purposes he’s been joining Gerry Adams on bomb plants.
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Hasn't been investigated? Have you missed that bit? You know he was investigated but no evidence could be found of him being involved in terrorist activities.

Corbyn's links to pro-IRA group were investigated by the police - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #891
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There isn’t majority support for another referendum in Scotland even despite Brexit. Allowing Sturgeon free rein to call the shots despite having done a crap job in charge is unforgivable in my view.
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Do you have any up to date figures on that, would be interested to see them.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #892
Astute said:
Hasn't been investigated? Have you missed that bit? You know he was investigated but no evidence could be found of him being involved in terrorist activities.
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You’ve basically just shutdown your own argument then.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #893
Astute said:
Hasn't been investigated? Have you missed that bit? You know he was investigated but no evidence could be found of him being involved in terrorist activities.

Corbyn's links to pro-IRA group were investigated by the police - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
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You do realise that this link negates your whole argument and dismisses every other link you’ve provided thus far?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #894
Sick Boy said:
Do you have any up to date figures on that, would be interested to see them.
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You can find all the polls on the dedicated Wiki. I voted against independence in 2014 and if I still lived there would do so again. The pro UK vote being split 3 ways doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #895
Astute said:
But they should be given the choice on remaining in the EU. They voted for it with a large majority.

Or is your problem England had a large majority to leave the EU and the Scottish numbers brought the vote closer?
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My problem is I care about the UK remaining intact despite the best efforts of Scottish nationalists and Brexit. If you’d lived up there as long as I did you might see it differently.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #896
Astute said:
And I'm still shocked about who Corbyn was allowed to take into parliament fir a visit when the bombs were still being planted.

But Corbyn has never said that he was a member of the IRA although he had several close ties. So he can't have been. Yet everyone else is a liar.
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A hahahahaha Jesus. Member of the IRA now? He’ll have been planting bombs in three pages time.

none of those articles are much more than people who don’t like him doing what you are doing. You still haven’t found a quote supporting terrorism, just a lot of people getting in a flap because he supported Irish independence. Pro tip: that’s entirely consistent with his views on Catalan and Palestine and every other small nation with an independence movement.

Once more for those at the back: he’s a softie leftie who picks the underdog even when he shouldn’t. He’s not a fucking terrorist.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #897
shmmeee said:
A hahahahaha Jesus. Member of the IRA now? He’ll have been planting bombs in three pages time.

none of those articles are much more than people who don’t like him doing what you are doing. You still haven’t found a quote supporting terrorism, just a lot of people getting in a flap because he supported Irish independence. Pro tip: that’s entirely consistent with his views on Catalan and Palestine and every other small nation with an independence movement.

Once more for those at the back: he’s a softie leftie who picks the underdog even when he shouldn’t. He’s not a fucking terrorist.
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Of course. Make it up as you go along. All you want is everyone to vote for Corbyn although you have admitted that he isn't fit to lead the UK.

So he is innocent of all charges just because he has not planned an attack himself? It doesn't matter that he has always shown sympathy for the terrorists but never for the innocent.

Fair play to you. Defend him as much as you like.

How about you making a comment about Labour dropping someone into a safe seat in Coventry using the excuse of a snap election that championed violence? Of course not unless you are about to defend her. Labour can't do anything wrong in your eyes. You will vote for Labour whatever.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #898
Brighton Sky Blue said:
My problem is I care about the UK remaining intact despite the best efforts of Scottish nationalists and Brexit. If you’d lived up there as long as I did you might see it differently.
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Have family up there. Eldest lad married to a Scot. She is 100% independence.

You think we should have another say on what we want. Why not Scotland?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #899
Astute said:
Have family up there. Eldest lad married to a Scot. She is 100% independence.

You think we should have another say on what we want. Why not Scotland?
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Because there isn’t the appetite for another one and Sturgeon herself said it was a ‘once in a generation’ vote. I want another Brexit referendum to get a resolution on it.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #900
Gove’s more coked up than singers corner at the Ricoh on BBC Beeakfast this morning!
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #901
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Because there isn’t the appetite for another one and Sturgeon herself said it was a ‘once in a generation’ vote. I want another Brexit referendum to get a resolution on it.
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Was the Brexit vote a once in a generation or longer vote?

You say we shouldn't leave as we didn't know what leave meant. Yet Scotland shouldn't get another chance although they didn't know the UK as a whole would want to leave the EU.

So in other words you want Scotland to stay in the UK and the UK to stay in the EU. So the only vote that should be allowed is the only result you want changing.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #902
chiefdave said:
Gove’s more coked up than singers corner at the Ricoh on BBC Beeakfast this morning!
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I quite enjoyed that interview. A determined effort by Gove to keep speaking until time was up, on anything but the question asked!
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #903
Deleted member 5849 said:
I quite enjoyed that interview. A determined effort by Gove to keep speaking until time was up, on anything but the question asked!
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Didn't see it myself. But sounds like what MP's specialise in these days.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #904
Astute said:
Didn't see it myself. But sounds like what MP's specialise in these days.
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Actually re-reading, I heard him on Radio 5, so he's clearly been doing the rounds.

Bet he got an easier time on the telly
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #905

I think the more I see stuff like this the realisation is coming that this election is going to be about predominantly Europe more then anything else.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #906
Philosorapter said:

I think the more I see stuff like this the realisation is coming that this election is going to be about predominantly Europe more then anything else.
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Wait until you hear about Julian Grey
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #907
Astute said:
Was the Brexit vote a once in a generation or longer vote?

You say we shouldn't leave as we didn't know what leave meant. Yet Scotland shouldn't get another chance although they didn't know the UK as a whole would want to leave the EU.

So in other words you want Scotland to stay in the UK and the UK to stay in the EU. So the only vote that should be allowed is the only result you want changing.
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Initially I was opposed to a second vote because it seemed like a Brexit deal could be reached and would be passed. As time has gone on it’s become very obvious that Parliament is unable to act and so another referendum is my preferred way of breaking the deadlock-and we could’ve had one by now since May’s first deadline.

If there was overwhelming Scottish desire to leave the UK I would have no objection. But there isn’t, even despite a decade of the Tories messing around. It is just a ploy by Sturgeon to distract from her shit record in office and the impending case against Salmond.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #908
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Initially I was opposed to a second vote because it seemed like a Brexit deal could be reached and would be passed. As time has gone on it’s become very obvious that Parliament is unable to act and so another referendum is my preferred way of breaking the deadlock-and we could’ve had one by now since May’s first deadline.

If there was overwhelming Scottish desire to leave the UK I would have no objection. But there isn’t, even despite a decade of the Tories messing around. It is just a ploy by Sturgeon to distract from her shit record in office and the impending case against Salmond.
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Surely if there really is no appetite for a second referendum, then having one, with the same margin of victory for stay in the UK as before, would genuinely put it to bed, finish the SNP, and allow Labour to reclaim seats they need if they're to bid for power?
 
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eastwoodsdustman

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  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #909
Deleted member 5849 said:
I quite enjoyed that interview. A determined effort by Gove to keep speaking until time was up, on anything but the question asked!
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I’m sure he gave straight answers on the main questions asked about the NHS unless I didn’t hear right.
But if it’s not the answer you want to hear then pretend it didn’t happen.
 

eastwoodsdustman

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2019
  • #910
shmmeee said:
Wait until you hear about Julian Grey
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Don’t tell me he’s gone!
 
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