Grendel
Well-Known Member
Yes it was they have used the ads and checked it’s legitimacy through the full fact website
it wasn't checked by Full fact, they don't check social media, though First draft do cross reference Full fact.
You're not comparing like with like. Conservatives have been shown to be lying by a non-partisan independent body, the Labour costing plans you say have been shown to be incredible is not fact, there are some who believe them to be incredible but there are literally hundreds of economists who are backing them so its at best debatable. Hardly the same thing as outright lying.
Even if Labour win an outright majority...not for longDoes anyone on this thread expect Corbyn to be PM following this election? Ian seems confident.
If I calm down any more I shall doze off. No drama hereI wasn't having a go at you, calm down you drama queen.
Never happened really has it? Which constitutes a lie every time really in the true sense of the word. Politics is basically about having the most credible lie/excuses come election timeerm, when was the last time a party (of any persuasion) carried out everything in their manifesto anyway?
Yes it was they have used the ads and checked it’s legitimacy through the full fact website
erm, when was the last time a party (of any persuasion) carried out everything in their manifesto anyway?
I think that's what I said!
Not really as they’ve used a biased organisation as a validation and that organisation offers an opinion not fact
The 88% sounds like 9 out of 10 messages are actually false as well doesn’t it?
You guys are incredible.
I was agreeing the point, but provided some balance - so you have to have a bit of a go. You cannot stop yourselves.
It is the very same kind of frothing & ranting that people associate with Scargill, Hatton & co which most reasonable people think of as just spoiling for a fight...&/or brings back memories of some pretty bad times. Like BSB (who is one of 'you guys' thst I refer to) has a pop, accuses me of throwing insults about only to then not only bring Astute into the matter, but insults him as well, as ameans to use him to me. That after he has repeatedly offered the oh-so politically correct description of 'fatso'. All very bizarre isn't it?
For the record...during this campaign, Corbyn for one in the Labour ranks HAS been said to be lying -
Former senior Labour official accuses party of 'campaign of lies and misinformation' about antisemitism
And he didn't feel any need to apologise for it either in his Andrew Neil interview.
Labour has played right close to the line on NHS privatisation too in many people's eyes.
Even Angela Rayner has defended his watching the Queen on Xmas morning as an 'unintentional lie'
So THAT is some of the balance for you. I am already aware of the fact checking...& do not wish or seek to deflect or excuse Bojo or the Tories for their lies either.
All pretty equally as bad as each other overall.
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why do you think full fact is biased?
They tore apart the red bus claim, I can't see how that makes it pro EU, the 350 million a week claim was bollocks.
Michael Samuel is a Conservative Party donor and historically full facts was known as faux facts for not questioning Tory policy when it was called into question. The fact that they’re now being called biased in the other direction can only possibly a measurement of how much bullshit the current Tory administration spouts. Is such bullshit faux facts has become full facts. Unless the bullshit is what you want to hear in which case it’s back to faux facts.why do you think full fact is biased?
They tore apart the red bus claim, I can't see how that makes it pro EU, the 350 million a week claim was bollocks.
Michael Samuel is a Conservative Party donor and historically full facts was known as faux facts for not questioning Tory policy when it was called into question. The fact that they’re now being called biased in the other direction can only possibly a measurement of how much bullshit the current Tory administration spouts. Is such bullshit faux facts has become full facts. Unless the bullshit is what you want to hear in which case it’s back to faux facts.
Exactly but they didn’t tear apart the counter claim did they about people being £4,300 worse off if we left the Eu which was a huge lie - the £350 million was legitimate compared to that claim
It’s an EU funded charity. Oddly the research admits the labour claim of £500 million a week going to the states due to the trade deal with the US is also not true but does not count as it falls out the timescale and media targeting of their research
They called it a red herring The £4,300 question: would leaving the EU really make every household worse off?
Wilki is wonderful Tony but work a little harder to find what Michael Samuel actually crucially really believes in
Exactly thanks for proving my point
Does anyone on this thread expect Corbyn to be PM following this election? Ian seems confident.
I see info sec researchers have met Grendel
If he is, no longer than it takes to have a referendum
If they turn up to the interview you mean?and they should be made to explain why to the UK public at the end of their term in office.
Did they replace him with Terry from the Rhondda?Johnson’s chickened out of another interview. This time with Jeremy Vine on Radio 2, only party leader not to appear.
But I don't do that either...you're exaggerating my insulting (which imo was as justified as your insulting Boris, but not so reserved)...such drama...as was wrongly levelled a little earlier at me. However, almost every other post you refer to someone else being 'dim' - can you not handle the insults? If not don't give them out!Astute also has form for ignoring any time someone has agreed with him, for the purposes of starting an argument. You are very similar. Boris Johnson is an obnoxious and dishonest man who also happens to be obese. Calling him fatso is if anything reserved.
Mind you it isn’t me who goes calling other posters a twat in every post or who goes telling them to crawl up rectums (G).
Fridge For Sale?
Why, what's his name?her arse needs at least 3 seats
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