shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Not party political. Blair wanted privatisation too. Point is it’s already happening so the idea “they’ll never get away with it” is a little naive.
To be fair that is showing roughly the same increase over time as under Labour. Of course we can never tell if it would've continued that way had Labour stayed in power and at the time Labour was more to the right than it is now.
However one thing we can say is that this trend has not led to improvements in service at all. It is in fact worse so the advantages of doing it are very much under question.
As you swallow everything Labour says...I think you should be careful throwing that kinda thing out thereDo you know that the word gullible isn’t in the dictionary?
Hmmm...so it IS a conspiracyNo I think Trump's aides tell him to say it if he wants Alexander to win so they could potentially be on the table in the trade deal. Or he can say 'yes' or 'we're looking into that' and lose Johnson votes so it's not available to US companies.
I think the whole thing is semantics anyway. Technically 'the NHS' wouldn't be on the table. But all the services etc could be put up for tender with the US being given first dibs on them. So although 'the NHS' is still public in terms of funding and availability to all, it's all provided by private companies.
Being a largely closed system it's more liable to profiteering - all you need to ensure is that your tender is the one accepted and we've seen before that hasn't necessarily gone to the cheapest/best available. G4S continually fuck up yet get given huge swathes of govt contracts. If these companies come back and say we can't do it for the quoted price then it's either cough up or let the system fail, which would be catastrophic politically as well as for the population. If it did it would have to be taken back over by the state so once again profits are privatised, losses are nationalised and ends up costing more than if the state had just provided it in the first place.
However one thing we can say is that this trend has not led to improvements in service at all. It is in fact worse so the advantages of doing it are very much under question.
Boris still running scared of Andrew Neil. Let's face it, he hasn't got the bollocks to face him.
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If I was the BBC I'd have got him in the studio for the Marr interview last weekend and then said Marr's ill so we've got Neil in to cover.Simple. Invite him on for Marr or some other dude then swap for Neil at the last minute and record the footage if he ducks out.
It’s alright we’ll only buy half as much therefore it will be the same cost.see Dominic Raab has admitted US drug companies will be able to charge us more for drugs post Brexit but says it's unlikely they will.
Yes Dominic, big pharmacy companies in the States who have instigated an opioid epidemic which kills 70,000 a year in order to make huge profits won't get greedy will they?!
It’s alright we’ll only buy half as much therefore it will be the same cost.
It will avoid all the snowflakes that thought Marr gave him a hard time contacting the BBC in tears if nothing else.Boris still running scared of Andrew Neil. Let's face it, he hasn't got the bollocks to face him.
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It sounds like he’s one of the favourites to lose his seat so at least they’ll be getting rid of one of their Diane Abbott’s, just Boris to go.you couldn't make it up could you? What an absolute weapon.
It sounds like he’s one of the favourites to lose his seat so at least they’ll be getting rid of one of their Diane Abbott’s, just Boris to go.
If I was the BBC I'd have got him in the studio for the Marr interview last weekend and then said Marr's ill so we've got Neil in to cover.
see Dominic Raab has admitted US drug companies will be able to charge us more for drugs post Brexit but says it's unlikely they will.
Yes Dominic, big pharmacy companies in the States who have instigated an opioid epidemic which kills 70,000 a year in order to make huge profits won't get greedy will they?!
see Dominic Raab has admitted US drug companies will be able to charge us more for drugs post Brexit but says it's unlikely they will.
Yes Dominic, big pharmacy companies in the States who have instigated an opioid epidemic which kills 70,000 a year in order to make huge profits won't get greedy will they?!
Hmmm...so it IS a conspiracy
The Pharma companies don't dish the drugs out...what you're suggesting is that Doctors are easily incorruptible.see Dominic Raab has admitted US drug companies will be able to charge us more for drugs post Brexit but says it's unlikely they will.
Yes Dominic, big pharmacy companies in the States who have instigated an opioid epidemic which kills 70,000 a year in order to make huge profits won't get greedy will they?!
What...like...50000 new nurses you mean?I think that's a bit far. Just politics of wording something very carefully so you can get around what you actually mean.
He got elected on no tax rises. But they did stealth tax hits. People soon got wise.Well I don’t actually believe there was any change at all in policy from the first election to the second and was asking what you thought made it a shift to the right at that point
So they couldn't make money selling drugs to the NHS like countries in the EU do presently? As in we 'might' have a drug shortage soon?Because if it's privatised it can be moved more to the profit angle than the service angle. As it is if people don't get the treatment they need it's the fault of the service and we have to look at how that service can be improved so it can be provided. With a more private system it's the fault of the individual for not being able to afford the treatment/insurance that covers it.
No-deal Brexit could cause ‘fatal’ medicine shortages, health unions warnYour second para is nonsense. There’s been no threats.
As for your first. Just because something isn’t run for profit doesn’t mean you can’t profit from it. Simple example: when my school was made an academy our budget basically remained the same, the sponsor insisted we buy our paper through him, it was more expensive than our previous supplier but it made him a profit. He privatised the catering which meant the same staff came back offering smaller meals for more money. He also took over several million quids worth of land and gave several family members well paid board positions. Side note: he was then made a Tory Lord.
The problem that we have in the way the NHS has been privatised so far is it saves not paying out immediately for instance new hospitals. But we have to pay for it eventually. They build and pay. We pay for many years and they make a fortune out of us. And this style of contract comes out of the budget for the NHS.Not party political. Blair wanted privatisation too. Point is it’s already happening so the idea “they’ll never get away with it” is a little naive.
The Pharma companies don't dish the drugs out...what you're suggesting is that Doctors are easily incorruptible.
IF they charge more for their drugs...I can guarantee you that unless their drug has a pretty significant advantage over EU or UK alternatives Medicines Optimisation squads will actively move patients OFF their expensive ones.
Then they will reduce the prices back down but it will be too late.
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No-deal Brexit could cause ‘fatal’ medicine shortages, health unions warn
Drugs ‘to run short within a fortnight’ of a no-deal Brexit
How many links would you like? It was mentioned enough on here as a reason we shouldn't leave.
The problem that we have in the way the NHS has been privatised so far is it saves not paying out immediately for instance new hospitals. But we have to pay for it eventually. They build and pay. We pay for many years and they make a fortune out of us. And this style of contract comes out of the budget for the NHS.
XR targeting all parties and have glued themselves to the UnLib-UnDem's so far. Nothing but trouble-makers, arrest them all and keep arresting them with longer sentences for repeat offenders.
And the disaster zone starts again.
Will someone pop a question in to a hustings about what they would do about bullying in the workplace.
I think it's going to come down to a simple equation.
It was mentioned earlier on it he thread but I just let it go then.
Tory remainers and Labour leavers.
These are the one that are most likely to switch to another party or not vote at all.
It was pointed out that Tory remainers are the most likely to stay with their own party. I think there is another reason more logical conclusion that all of the groups respect the result of the EU referendum.
I can only see one group moving with enough clout to affect the GE and that is Labour leave voters moving to other camps or not vote at all.
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