chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Was just reading about that. Their advertising seem to have moved to a much more defensive strategy suggesting they aren't as confident as the polls would suggest they should be.
Was just reading about that. Their advertising seem to have moved to a much more defensive strategy suggesting they aren't as confident as the polls would suggest they should be.Conservatives have started to adjust which seats they are targeting now as their internal polling is showing the gap tightening. They're putting more money than they planned to into seats they already occupy.
Have to say I find it depressing as well. There's a difference between having the right not to vote and wanting to vote but not being able to find a single candidate worth voting for.I don’t see it as depressing
if I was presented with an option of Lobster, Squid or Octopus I wouldn’t force myself to eat one. I would decline to eat.
I’ve never really understood the argument of people died so you could vote. I assume they died for the right of self determination which includes the right to elect not to vote
Conservatives have started to adjust which seats they are targeting now as their internal polling is showing the gap tightening. They're putting more money than they planned to into seats they already occupy.
The iidea of ignoring the decision of the EU referendum and offer another referendum on their own deal probably won't change a lot of minds of Labour voters in Labour leave voting areas whom voted to leave.
The damage is in the policy of offering another referendum which includes a get out of the decision already made by the electorate clause.
lies!the 21 year old
They are a pathetic joke arent they. How can anyone vote for corbyn McDonnell and abbott is beyond me. The labour party resembles some sixth form protest party.HAHAHAHAHA Labour trying to appeal to leave voting areas, because that is going to go down well with them offering another referendum with remain being an option
They are a pathetic joke arent they. How can anyone vote for corbyn McDonnell and abbott is beyond me. The labour party resembles some sixth form protest party.
They are a pathetic joke arent they. How can anyone vote for corbyn McDonnell and abbott is beyond me. The labour party resembles some sixth form protest party.
Thats not true is it
The irony is, that more working class people are in employment under the Tories than there were under labour. .
They are a pathetic joke arent they. How can anyone vote for corbyn McDonnell and abbott is beyond me. The labour party resembles some sixth form protest party.
Except that most sixth formers cannot vote (only upper sixth formers born between September - November). Far bigger age generalisations can be made about the Conservative Party voters, however...
I agree that the Conservatives have put in place some decent measures to help the working class - the income tax threshold rise for instance. But don't forget that correlation does not imply causation. Unemployment during Labour's firts few years was significantly lower than that of the Thatcher years, and the global financial crisis put paid to this impressive record continuing.The irony is, that more working class people are in employment under the Tories than there were under labour.
I'm no fan of Johnson, I've been a union member for over 30 years, and worked on factory shop floors for over 37 years, but I cant continue to vote labour under Corbyn's leadership.
And what makes older voters more deserving?People should not be able to vote until 21
House prices outstripping wage increases doesnt help, there are families where both parents work full time, yet still cant afford a mortgage/rent, yet the demand (and subsequent price) of housing is still increasing,Yet homelessness and food bank usage is increasing? What's the point of more employment if less people can provide for themselves with it?
And what makes older voters more deserving?
I'm sure maths didn't work like this when I was at school.
It also requires a population prepared to help itself, and take a practical and moral approach to improving its lot.I agree that the Conservatives have put in place some decent measures to help the working class - the income tax threshold rise for instance. But don't forget that correlation does not imply causation. Unemployment during Labour's firts few years was significantly lower than that of the Thatcher years, and the global financial crisis put paid to this impressive record continuing.
We also have to contend with the fact that although employment offers a form of security, it alone is not sufficient to help the working class - this needs to be supplemented with good quality conditions, high morale, etc. On these aspects, I cannot find many positives with recent Conservative Party policy.
There are as many, if not more, issues affecting the young than the old. If we restricted the franchise further to over 21s. we would neglect issues such as age pay gaps, young people getting on the housing ladder etc. I used to take the view that 16 year olds should not get the vote but having been exposed to the ludicrous idea that older peoples' issues matter more etc, I changed my mind.It’s not a case of deserving it’s a case of understanding life issues of taxation, home ownership etc
I agree that the Conservatives have put in place some decent measures to help the working class - the income tax threshold rise for instance. But don't forget that correlation does not imply causation. Unemployment during Labour's firts few years was significantly lower than that of the Thatcher years, and the global financial crisis put paid to this impressive record continuing.
We also have to contend with the fact that although employment offers a form of security, it alone is not sufficient to help the working class - this needs to be supplemented with good quality conditions, high morale, etc. On these aspects, I cannot find many positives with recent Conservative Party policy.
They are a pathetic joke arent they. How can anyone vote for corbyn McDonnell and abbott is beyond me. The labour party resembles some sixth form protest party.
The irony is, that more working class people are in employment under the Tories than there were under labour.
I'm no fan of Johnson, I've been a union member for over 30 years, and worked on factory shop floors for over 37 years, but I cant continue to vote labour under Corbyn's leadership.
There are as many, if not more, issues affecting the young than the old. If we restricted the franchise further to over 21s. we would neglect issues such as age pay gaps, young people getting on the housing ladder etc. I used to take the view that 16 year olds should not get the vote but having been exposed to the ludicrous idea that older peoples' issues matter more etc, I changed my mind.
I appreciate that people have different views but I would argue that this time round, Labour are creating the conditions under which that can be made more likely. It is a cliché but education for me is key - and what Labour propose with respect to funding for adult education - both vocational and academic - can help to break down the phenomenon we have today where only tte monied have access to the best opportunities, and where pre-18 achievement determines most people's outcomes in life.It also requires a population prepared to help itself, and take a practical and moral approach to improving its lot.
People should not be able to vote until 21
Maybe we should stop all the senile OAPs voting!And what makes older voters more deserving?
As opposed to those that vote for Alexander, Gove, Hancock, Truss.....The Conservatives resemble a private school privilege party
Maybe we should stop all the senile OAPs voting!
Just tell us the truth FFS !!!
I think it's important to understand that young people's issues should not be downplayed and that what you propose is a form of ageism and is completely against democracy. Not giving young people a say on, for instance, the cuts affecting schools, vocational education etc moves us further towards the autocratic part of the political spectrum. Sure, you can reason all day that older people have 'done their time' so to speak - and I agree with you in this regard - but its clutching at the straws a bit to say that young peoples' aspirations/hopes are not significant enough to allow them to vote!I would imagine if your living in a care home having paid massive amounts of taxation or a child of such a parent you may think that a 21 year old whining that he may have to give up his mobile phone or his nice car to pay for a house is just a little bit trivial
As opposed to those that vote for Alexander, Gove, Hancock, Truss.....The Conservatives resemble a private school privilege party
Was just reading about that. Their advertising seem to have moved to a much more defensive strategy suggesting they aren't as confident as the polls would suggest they should be.
Never really understood the argument that we should bring other people down to recognise other people's achievements. Older people have paid their taxes and for that I'm sure most if not everyone is grateful, but proponents of raising the voting age somehow think that this means we should strip younger people (which will also go through this very process of paying taxes and what not) of the vote!Maybe we should stop all the senile OAPs voting!
I think it's important to understand that young people's issues should not be downplayed and that what you propose is a form of ageism and is completely against democracy. Not giving young people a say on, for instance, the cuts affecting schools, vocational education etc moves us further towards the autocratic part of the political spectrum. Sure, you can reason all day that older people have 'done their time' so to speak - and I agree with you in this regard - but its clutching at the straws a bit to say that young peoples' aspirations/hopes are not significant enough to allow them to vote!
It’s not a case of deserving it’s a case of understanding life issues of taxation, home ownership etc
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