Sky_Blue_Dreamer
Well-Known Member
TBH that's how their manifesto came across to me. Everything's fine (apart from Brexit) so let's just carry on pretty much as we are.
This should be the easiest campaign ever for the Conservatives. They've been in power for a decade so should be able to reel off a list of their achievements and just say 'more of the same'.
Think about and then describe the terms you have used...what you think they mean in terms of our medicinesIncreased exclusivity, price inelasticity, monopoly. If you can’t see that that chain is fucking horrendous for the ‘consumer’ there’s no hope.
There’s really an ideas drought on in centrism at the moment. Managerial politics is fine when things are ticking along OK, but we’ve got some massive transitions coming down the line fast (automation, climate, ageing) and some serious issues from the consensus of the last forty years IMO (isolation, precarious employment, social cohesion [all one problem IMO]). That takes change. Historically it’s taken something big and shocking like the three day week or the war to change direction but all of these issues are slow creepers, boiling the frog. I worry that the pain of change will remain above the pain of staying the same for some time.
As for where else: Northern Europe mostly. Especially after seeing the pensions and general ethos of such places. None of them are perfect, but most make a good fist of softening the edges of modern life.
I honestly think it all comes down to a destruction of community (I blame Thatcher). That’s why I’m a socialist.
You'd prefer no red lines? Or no negotiations on future trade deals?This is a red line of death, you cross it you die
Okay. This is a red line of death, you cross it you die.
Okay, this is a red line of death, you cross it you die...
I wonder why they made this decision straight after labour shared the NHS documents...
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Haha, you know as well as others that post on the Brexit thread that I couldn’t vote for Lib Dem’s in this election NW !!! Revoking article 50 would be outrageous whatever your Brexit beliefs
I wouldn’t rule it out in future though. Depends on policies and circumstances at the time
Shmmeee - I have got a bit of good news I forgot to mention earlier. My local constituency is 7k labour majority so my little old vote isn’t gonna do much either way !!!
Just to piss some on here off even more (apologies), one of the basic reasons for me voting for Brexit was to try deliver a significant change. As I’ve said before I recognise the benefits of controlled immigration (and need in relation to ageing population issue mentioned above) for those that best benefit the country. This shouldn’t be salary based but actual needs of the country whether that be in care. hospitals, science, manufacturing....whatever is needed at the time.
I also had/have a genuine belief that if we are running net migration of 300k+ it’s bordering on impossible for infrastructure to keep up. We barely build 300k houses every year so the affordable housing crisis for the young isn’t going to improve and as I’ve highlighted before on loads of other threads the additional pressure on schools, hospitals etc is massive when the population grows rapidly.
I’m still not 100% convinced that we will end up in a better position but I also recognised that things as they were needed to change.
Or maybe his minders know that every time he opens his mouth he's a liability
Agreed. It may have descended into farce, but it was entirely right that the government couldn't force through just anything in the last parliament.I do wish we’d sorted Brexit before this election. Can’t help but feel we’re about to give a government a blank cheque for five years with no real idea what the plan is.
Blair always declined even well ahead as did thatcher
Did my analysis of four of the mainfestos - Con, Lab, LD and Green.
Initial reactions just from reading them were:
Green, LD, Lab, Con
After going through the points scoring it went LD, Lab, Green, Con
Looking into why I had indeed agreed strongly with more Green policies that any other party (3x more than the next - LD) but I also strongly disagreed with more of their policies than anyone else, usually regarding immigration, defence etc and some of the 'right-on" (or should that be "left-on?") policies regarding equality etc.
So from that it's left me with the decision of do I disagree with those policies enough for them to overrule the many bits I do like? Or do I go with the analysis of LD, which I don't like as much, but at the same time I don't hate as much either?
Which area are you?
CovNW so unlikely to matter anyway. Reckon it might be a slightly reduced Lab majority with Robinson's retirement but still safe.
The british worker, the laziest in all the world don't you knowWho will there be to blame once we're out of the EU and the Scots and Northern Irish have gone?
The british worker, the laziest in all the world don't you know
Ive met the conservative candidate and had dialogue with the green and the Lib Dem candidate. The labour candidate is along with Zara Sultana managed by councillor Jane Innis and refused to have any dialogue whatsoever. They basically told us to do one. They are both clueless and disinterested in any local issues and Innes is controlling them
I'd be interested to know what you thought of the three candidates. As I say above I'm planning on going with policy rather than personality but as they'd be a local representative it would be nice to get a take on how approachable they are and how much they seem to care about constituency issues given your campaign (I'll reply to the PM in due course btw).
I've only done a bit of research on the candidates The Lib Dems guy has stood in other local constituencies before so I guess is local, Greens similar and has been in the area since he went to uni here. Tory one is relatively local (Nuneaton?) but quick look at her twitter feed makes her seem a very party-political kind of woman and gives impression it's "doing the time in a seat she's unlikely to win to further her career in future". I may be totally wrong on that but it's how it comes across to me and as my post above shows Con won't be getting my vote.
Lab is being parachuted in in a safe seat from London so won't be familiar with the area at all, but Lab won't be getting my vote either.
People are just laughing at your ignorance now... please stop for your own sake.
I fear a large number of people are voting for BJ as he is much more charasmatic than Corbyn. However only fucking imbeciles would vote on this basis. Also the right banging on and on about commarade Corbyn I suspect is stoking fear. Labour campaign is a sticking to facts and decent ideas but middle England aren't listening. The Trump style seems to appeal to many Johnson voters.... and BJ has undoubtedly adopted that tactic. Sadly a large number of people don't vote on policies any moreIf the Conservatives are as bad as the lefties on here keep saying,How come Labour are not miles ahead in the polls.
Can I ask all you left wingers the reason why you think they’re not ahead?
Serious answers only please?
If the Conservatives are as bad as the lefties on here keep saying,How come Labour are not miles ahead in the polls.
Can I ask all you left wingers the reason why you think they’re not ahead?
Serious answers only please?
Did Laura K really just retweet Piers Morgan saying journalists should just bash Corbyn?!
You think Corbyn knows his policies will impact on the poor. That is just bonkers. His investment plan is bold and ambitious and this country can easily afford this if the City boys, tax dodging big business and off shore tax havens are reigned in. In my eyes Corbyn has the balance about right between social, sustainability (green) and economic matter, more than the other parties!haha, no worries. Yeah, something just doesn’t sit well with me with the pair of them (I think McDonnell is as powerful as Corbyn in their relationship hence me referring to them together) ie I think there’s more to their plans over and above what is being proposed/declared and I also done like their past ‘relationships’/views in relation to terrorist organisations.
Theres some really good stuff in the labour manifesto (mainly looked at the budget/costings space rather than read all) like increased funds for social care, helping homeless etc. Also, I like the focus on increasing social housing etc (brutal I know but I’d be more proactively recovering social housing from those who earn over certain sums to free up more !)
However, I don’t like the ideological spending. The broadband for all, the nationalisation of all industries (rather than maybe just any that are in a real mess - I’ve mentioned the half in/half out railways for example) etc. This spending is totally uncosted and I’d want to know where it’s coming from and what the additional interest on the borrowing would be. It’s easy to offer giveaways, everyone likes to hear they will get more but who’s paying ?
Johnson gets hammered for being economical with the truth but I find Corbyn disingenuous and in some cases as bad/worse, hence him struggling last night (paying the £60bn waspi/pensions hole out of ‘reserves’ ?!!!). Even ‘NHS for sale’ evidence today doesn’t appear to be quite as it’s being revealed. Don’t get me wrong could there be more access to US firms as part of a trade deal, yes. But do I think a UK government would agree to something that would increase NHS Medicine spending by ten of billions per annum....really ?!!! We currently spend £17-18bn, Corbyn suggesting drug costs would suddenly be 5 times more in a trade deal...how would that make economic sense when we/government pays ?!!
The fact is taxes would rise for all under the labour manifesto not just those on over £80k due to these additional uncosted amounts and potential ramifications of policies (negative reaction from the rich/business if they are pushed further). They will know this.
Probably unnecessary but might relevant for some background to me/my views. I was initially bought up in a council house by my mum and at other stages in my childhood it was just me, my brother and her, so I am all for sensible welfare/state support for those that need it most. Having said that my mum worked constantly throughout our childhood so got very little extra help (our grandparents picked up the slack)
I went to a local comp and worked hard(ish). but I don’t have an issue with private schools....it might not have ended up in the manifesto but we all know what the far left members were pushing for ie their abolition. For me, it’s parents choice. I’d love all schools to be equal but they’re not, never have been, never will be. Private school parents actually save the rest of us a fortune by not having their kids further clogging up the system.
I want a fair system which is why I’m pretty much down the middle in politics as I can see benefits on both sides. Help those that need help but encourage individuals to be ambitious and do as well for themselves and their family as possible.
Bet you wished you hadn’t asked now !
ps tried to tidy this up with cutting and pasting but wasn’t working so apologies of bits appear a little out of order
Conservatives still bookies favourites for Cov South and Cov NW still a 2 horse race with nothing separating them.
Knowing the area as I do I'd be dumbfounded if Labour didn't win Cov NW.
You think Corbyn knows his policies will impact on the poor. That is just bonkers. His investment plan is bold and ambitious and this country can easily afford this if the City boys, tax dodging big business and off shore tax havens are reigned in. In my eyes Corbyn has the balance about right between social, sustainability (green) and economic matter, more than the other parties!
I would agree. It should be hat stand territory with a red rosette on in normal times.
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