rob9872
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But worth raising and not to say the King hasnt spoken but still get the cheap dig in about unelected head of state. Yeah ok.
But worth raising and not to say the King hasnt spoken but still get the cheap dig in about unelected head of state. Yeah ok.I'm not outraged or angry - I just think it's typical
Yeah and no. Think the sentences are a little lenient.Hopefully these reports of people getting sent down for a couple of years will put plenty of people off doing something silly.
If they are capable of reading those reports, that is.
It's because even if there is not an actual "protest" planned the rumour of one can descend into a shit show as we saw on Monday in Brum.From what I've seen the media are reporting on police making preparations for so many gatherings. The police haven't come out and denied it.
I doubt the media have just gone off on one on a notes app.
Slow news dayIf it's 1 person making up random lists in a notes app. Why are they getting published and taken seriously in the national media?
But worth raising and not to say the King hasnt spoken but still get the cheap dig in about unelected head of state. Yeah ok.
Yeah and no. Think the sentences are a little lenient.
Terror offence definition:
The specific actions included are:
serious violence against a person;
serious damage to property;
endangering a person's life (other than that of the person committing the action);
creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public; and
action designed to seriously interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
Think a lot of these rioters have crossed the lines above.
I also must stop calling them protesters. They're not, they're rioters.
A lot said the Gillingham one wasn't too.Random how you want them to go down for terror offence but on the thread about the stabbings there were people saying it wasn't terror related.
I agree, punishment is needed but the contrast is madness.
If it's 1 person making up random lists in a notes app. Why are they getting published and taken seriously in the national media?
But not me, so not sure what his dig was about.A lot said the Gillingham one wasn't too.
The media will be loving it. The last thing they want is for this to start to blow over..
Gobshites on telegram plucking out random cities because they have immigration centres.
It could even be bigger forces at play trying to wind up communities to see a continued level of violence on the streets from communities that are scared. Russia? Far right keyboard warriors?
Yeah absolutely, not at all pointed. I said on the Gillingham one I put them all under the umbrella of terrorism including what is going on right now.But not me, so not sure what his dig was about.
Random how you want them to go down for terror offence but on the thread about the stabbings there were people saying it wasn't terror related.
I agree, punishment is needed but the contrast is madness.
... and those looting, throwing objects, setting fires, launching fireworks, possessing drugs, punching police/other protestors, kicking, shouting abuse at people, chanting religious hatred, make gesticulations etc.People smashing up shops / small businesses and looting are just utter scum.
The irony is that they will go and smash up a kebab shop or something that looks "Muslim" but then order a kebab at the weekend and whinge about "claiming benefits" when it's just a hard working small business owner.
I still think that by promoting it all, all over the news about the hundreds of protests just encourages people who aren't in in Telegram Groups etc to go down and act the c**t.
Not just political ...I believe with terror offences there has to be a political aim of the action taken. Fair to say these riots could be classed as that. Virtually impossible to say that about the Southport stabbings as we don’t have a known motive.
The Gillingham thing has genuinely passed me by so won’t be making comment on it.
You missed out this guyThe people I would target most severely are the likes of MPs Boris, Farage, Patel, Anderson, Redwood, Braverman, Tebbitt, Rees-Mogg, Raab, Bob Stewart, Scully, Swayne, Gullis, Anne Marie Morris and others such as... Yaxley-Lennon, Tate, Musk, Fox, Hopkins, Hester, Hankinson, Doolan, etc.
I believe with terror offences there has to be a political aim of the action taken. Fair to say these riots could be classed as that. Virtually impossible to say that about the Southport stabbings as we don’t have a known motive.
The Gillingham thing has genuinely passed me by so won’t be making comment on it.
Hi, would you be able to confirm why you think the "protests" are about things like that Newcastle case? I have not seen much in the way of "protestors" calling for more prisons to be built?You missed out this guy
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Not just political ...
"... the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause"
(s.1(1)c, Terrorism Act 2000)
probably not, or you'd see people doing similar things on far right protests being charged with terror offencesSo genuine question… in a court of law, not the court of opinion, would the Muslim attacks the other evening count as terrorism? The argument would be that it was retribution/ revenge/ reacting.
and no I’m not “defending” or “condoning” it at all.
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The Gillingham thing has genuinely passed me by so won’t be making comment on it.
Its about lawless people blowing children's pop concerts, innocent little girls being stabbed to death at a summer play scheme, teenagers being raped in the sea, soldiers being stabbed and killed on the streets, innocent married couples being stabbed to death on the beach in Bournemouth, University students being stabbed to death after a night out, protestors outside a police station getting violent disgusting thugs released, the Leeds riots with the police running off. I think this has caused the riots, call me what you want these are just some of the problems that some people think, the over stretched NHS, over stretched housing market, over stretched schools, over stretched police. Its not a racist its what a lot of people are thinking but are not listened tooHi, would you be able to confirm why you think the "protests" are about things like that Newcastle case? I have not seen much in the way of "protestors" calling for more prisons to be built?
Galloway? Not a very balanced list you have. Also listed lots of ex MP's who have nothing to do with this and you want them hung still. Get over it.... and those looting, throwing objects, setting fires, launching fireworks, possessing drugs, punching police/other protestors, kicking, shouting abuse at people, chanting religious hatred, make gesticulations etc.
Anyone convicted of rioting should get a 5 year football banning order too - to help stop the problems we've had in recent years from growing further.
As with anyone in jail these guys must get the mental health support, addiction support, and re-education on tolerance/diversity to help them turn their lives around and given apprenticeships and jobs to help them move on.
Obvious to say a lot of the current problems result from primarily those being disenfranchised poor education, low aspiration, reliance on benefits leading to jealousy and envy and them easily being groomed and radicalised. Applies to far right, ethnic groups and even those on far left that also have a few loons. The government need to see this as an opportunity to make things better for the country and develop a stronger economy and to make the UK safer. It can be turned around.
The people I would target most severely are the likes of MPs Boris, Farage, Patel, Anderson, Redwood, Braverman, Tebbitt, Rees-Mogg, Raab, Bob Stewart, Scully, Swayne, Gullis, Anne Marie Morris and others such as... Yaxley-Lennon, Tate, Musk, Fox, Hopkins, Hester, Hankinson, Doolan, etc.
I get that. You have to wade through a lot of manure tho!So I can find breaking Coventry transfer goss?
But I get what you’re saying…
if it is about any of these things then why are they attacking people and communities that had nothing to do this this?Its about lawless people blowing children's pop concerts, innocent little girls being stabbed to death at a summer play scheme, teenagers being raped in the sea, soldiers being stabbed and killed on the streets, innocent married couples being stabbed to death on the beach in Bournemouth, University students being stabbed to death after a night out, protestors outside a police station getting violent disgusting thugs released, the Leeds riots with the police running off. I think this has caused the riots, call me what you want these are just some of the problems that some people think, the over stretched NHS, over stretched housing market, over stretched schools, over stretched police. Its not a racist its what a lot of people are thinking but are not listened too
How much of that has happened in the last month of a Labour Government and how much in the previous fourteen years of a Conservative Government? I'm partisan, a lifelong Labour member, but fuck that is simplifying stuff to the nth degree.Its about lawless people blowing children's pop concerts, innocent little girls being stabbed to death at a summer play scheme, teenagers being raped in the sea, soldiers being stabbed and killed on the streets, innocent married couples being stabbed to death on the beach in Bournemouth, University students being stabbed to death after a night out, protestors outside a police station getting violent disgusting thugs released, the Leeds riots with the police running off. I think this has caused the riots, call me what you want these are just some of the problems that some people think, the over stretched NHS, over stretched housing market, over stretched schools, over stretched police. Its not a racist its what a lot of people are thinking but are not listened too
Yep. Weak, weak, weak.if it is about any of these things then why are they attacking people and communities that had nothing to do this this?
your argument is weak
I also can't see how you can believe those are reasons for people attacking anyone non white and trying to attack mosques?How much of that has happened in the last month of a Labour Government and how much in the previous fourteen years of a Conservative Government? I'm partisan, a lifelong Labour member, but fuck that is simplifying stuff to the nth degree.
Dumb. Thick as pigshit.I also can't see how you can believe those are reasons for people attacking anyone non white and trying to attack mosques?
According to the courts over 50,000 additional queuing hours, over £1m in costs and strategically planned to cause maximum disruption rather than any spontaneity.I had no sympathy with Just Stop Oil (although I agree with their broad message) for the way they caused chaos. To think they got basically double the sentences of these fucking morons beggars belief.
There’s a lot of false equivalency being drawn between JSO and these protests.I had no sympathy with Just Stop Oil (although I agree with their broad message) for the way they caused chaos. To think they got basically double the sentences of these fucking morons beggars belief.
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