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rob9872

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,626
Oh Vienna
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,627
Ring Of Steel said:
It’s an interesting point. I’d say that Elon Musk has a much louder voice, and a lot more influence than Kier Starmer.
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It's mental isn't it.

And what can the UK do? Ban Tesla? The two best selling electric cars in a country that wants to ban diesel/petrol cars are from Tesla.

Ban Twitter? Fine him?
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,628
pusbccfc said:
I see Elon Musk is going at it with Starmer on twitter.

It's a mental situation. Dare I say Musk is as powerful as a small nation? What can Starmer/UK Gov do to combat Twitter?
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they would need to follow any laws much like they do with the anti nazi laws in Germany

he holds no actual power and twitter has to abide by the laws in the lands in operates in
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,629
rob9872 said:
Oh Vienna
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That isn't where a certain painter originated from is it? joke!
 

Diogenes

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,630
Bugsy said:
Musk has a point though, starmer should have said in his press conference that the police and government should protect all communities not just the Muslim community.

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All starmer had to do was confirm that all law breakers will be dealt with and all communities will be protected regardless of ethnicity. Yet he went out of his way to avoid doing what any semi competent leader would have done.

Then the reaction of the establishment types to tweets like that of Musk seems to be "shut up its none of your business", or "how can we combat/shut it down".

It's almost like they want to inflame the situation.
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,631
David O'Day said:
they would need to follow any laws much like they do with the anti nazi laws in Germany

he holds no actual power and twitter has to abide by the laws in the lands in operates in
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Do they have laws against Twitter stoking far right violence in Germany?

Didn't Turkey ban Twitter briefly a few years back during political unrest?
 

rob9872

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,632
wingy said:
That isn't where a certain painter originated from is it? joke!
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Adolf?
 
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Diogenes

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,633
pusbccfc said:
Do they have laws against Twitter stoking far right violence in Germany?

Didn't Turkey ban Twitter briefly a few years back during political unrest?
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Maybe we can consult China or North Korea on how they keep a lid on the Internet?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,634
Perennial Lurker said:
Why are these people who head these big corporations so dangerous? Why do they feel the need to enflame?
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I suggest reading up about Musk's philosophy and world view. He hasn't been too secret about it.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,635
pusbccfc said:
Do they have laws against Twitter stoking far right violence in Germany?

Didn't Turkey ban Twitter briefly a few years back during political unrest?
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anti holocaust denial and glorification of the nazi's laws

Twitter in the end has to hide those tweets from people in Germany which if applied here to disinformation tweets would mean the people they want to rile up cant see them.

Musk may act tough but he has to abide by the laws of the lands in which he trades.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,636
Diogenes said:
Maybe we can consult China or North Korea on how they keep a lid on the Internet?
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That’s SBT gone then.
 

rob9872

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,637
I know what he says is important and influential, but his far bigger crime is trying to rebrand it as X. I accepted Snickers bars and even CIF, but it will always be Twitter.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,638
David O'Day said:
anti holocaust denial and glorification of the nazi's laws

Twitter in the end has to hide those tweets from people in Germany which if applied here to disinformation tweets would mean the people they want to rile up cant see them.

Musk may act tough but he has to abide by the laws of the lands in which he trades.
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Don't think you meant the 'anti' there.
 

rob9872

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,639
MalcSB said:
That’s SBT gone then.
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No more Shadwell. No more Rock. No more Grendel. I fakkin love you Grendel.
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,640
David O'Day said:
anti holocaust denial and glorification of the nazi's laws

Twitter in the end has to hide those tweets from people in Germany which if applied here to disinformation tweets would mean the people they want to rile up cant see them.

Musk may act tough but he has to abide by the laws of the lands in which he trades.
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Did those rules come in before Musk took over?

The tweets our government would want to hide are unfortunately what Musk is tweeting himself... All messy really.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,641
GIMOC said:
you really havent got a clue if you think that’s the reason
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Of course it is. None of it as a legit protest now is it. It’s rioting, by stupid angry chavs. Looting and fighting police and damaging property. Scum
 
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nicksar

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,642
Sick Boy said:
Apparently an immigration solicitors' office is to be targeted in Brighton tomorrow. I can see it kicking off big time there.
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Having spent a fair amount of time in Brighton I would think there would be very large anti fascist presence.
 
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rob9872

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,643
nicksar said:
Having spent a fair amount of time in Brighton I would think there would be very large anti fascist presence.
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An anti fattist might be more effective looking at a lot of them (and yes as a fellow fatty I can say it - I'm reclaiming the F word)
 
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David O'Day

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,644
pusbccfc said:
Did those rules come in before Musk took over?

The tweets our government would want to hide are unfortunately what Musk is tweeting himself... All messy really.
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it's not rules, it's the law and like any company with any kind of operations there they have to abide by them. It doesn't matter when the laws came in.

if we say had laws governing twitter usage they would have to abide by them or block twitter service is the uk.
 
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nicksar

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,645
rob9872 said:
An anti fattist might be more effective looking at a lot of them (and yes as a fellow fatty I can say it - I'm reclaiming the F word)
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We should have an "Anti Fattist ,Facial Tension" mob organised.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,646
Diogenes said:
Maybe we can consult China or North Korea on how they keep a lid on the Internet?
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Not as well as they'd like
 

pusbccfc

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,647
David O'Day said:
it's not rules, it's the law and like any company with any kind of operations there they have to abide by them. It doesn't matter when the laws came in.

if we say had laws governing twitter usage they would have to abide by them or block twitter service is the uk.
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Yeah absolutely. Although then the debate would be around what can and can't say. German nazi laws would stop the extreme tweets but I assume that wouldn't stop the rhetoric that Musk is talking about with 'Two Tier' policing.

Would be interested to see the response in the UK by the right wingers if the blocked twitter.
 

rob9872

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,648
pusbccfc said:
Yeah absolutely. Although then the debate would be around what can and can't say. German nazi laws would stop the extreme tweets but I assume that wouldn't stop the rhetoric that Musk is talking about with 'Two Tier' policing.

Would be interested to see the response in the UK by the right wingers if the blocked twitter.
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I can't imagine Tats or Raphael would like it and tbh it's a bit unfair on them.
 

pusbccfc

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,649
rob9872 said:
I can't imagine Tats or Raphael would like it and tbh it's a bit unfair on them.
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Haji would be happy
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,650
Bugsy said:
Musk has a point though, starmer should have said in his press conference that the police and government should protect all communities not just the Muslim community.

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Yeah, this mess isnt on starmer it’s on the mindless idiots but if I’d been him I’d had tried to cover more bases and call for restraint from all communities however much provocation there is. Tough gig four weeks into power though

Starting a war with Musk is idiotic though. He should’ve tried to make contact privately, explain the challenges we face and ask if he can do any more to help with disinformation. Play to his ego a bit. instead he’s ended up bickering with someone who has access/reach to 250m people .
 
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David O'Day

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,651
pusbccfc said:
Yeah absolutely. Although then the debate would be around what can and can't say. German nazi laws would stop the extreme tweets but I assume that wouldn't stop the rhetoric that Musk is talking about with 'Two Tier' policing.

Would be interested to see the response in the UK by the right wingers if the blocked twitter.
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It would depend on what laws we brought in, if we wanted and passed a law that said any disinformation is illegal he'd have to make his own tweets not viewable in the UK.
 
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rob9872

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,652
pusbccfc said:
Haji would be happy
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Yeah but not his wife apparently
 
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SkyBlueMatt

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,653
David O'Day said:
it's not rules, it's the law and like any company with any kind of operations there they have to abide by them. It doesn't matter when the laws came in.

if we say had laws governing twitter usage they would have to abide by them or block twitter service is the uk.
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I've always been against the call of policing speech on social media. The problem is that the internet is not what it was 15 years ago. The small little pockets of weird conspiracy theories where normal people would just describe as weirdos are now mainstream.

Plus you have the owner of a huge platform playing politics (huge in the US and now the UK) while also stoking the fire of division.

I don't believe in forced identification (whether that is something decided by the platform is another matter). A way to stop it would be to pass laws that allow huge fines to these social media companies for not cracking down on extremism and disinformation (both left & right).

It shouldn't be bought in the heat of the moment. Any law that would be passed would need to be thought out and discussed with industry leaders (and not people who have fingers in pies). If it's done just by politicians, who, if they are anything like American politicians, they don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to the internet. If it's not done correctly, it will only be abused by this government or future ones.

Space Karen is loving this though, stoking the fire, enabling bot farms and encouraging the spread of disinformation. It leads to more interaction & more traffic.
 
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Northants Sky Blue

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,654
Musk reckons himself as a Bond Villain, stroking a cat somewhere and watching it all go off. .

The estrangement from his daughter has turned him full Tonto, promoting videos by headbangers like Ngo and repeating conspiracy theories.

He's a useful idiot for Bannon and the boys
 
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mmttww

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,655
Nick said:
It's amazing how people just want to ignore particular things isn't it? Must be amazing living in bubbles.
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You are talking absolute b*llocks here.

All the violence this last week stems from people getting their information and taking direction from social media, which is the definition of living in a bubble. FFS, come on!
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,656
SkyBlueMatt said:
I've always been against the call of policing speech on social media. The problem is that the internet is not what it was 15 years ago. The small little pockets of weird conspiracy theories where normal people would just describe as weirdos are now mainstream.

Plus you have the owner of a huge platform playing politics (huge in the US and now the UK) while also stoking the fire of division.

I don't believe in forced identification (whether that is something decided by the platform is another matter). A way to stop it would be to pass laws that allow huge fines to these social media companies for not cracking down on extremism and disinformation (both left & right).

It shouldn't be bought in the heat of the moment. Any law that would be passed would need to be thought out and discussed with industry leaders (and not people who have fingers in pies). If it's done just by politicians, who, if they are anything like American politicians, they don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to the internet. If it's not done correctly, it will only be abused by this government or future ones.

Space Karen is loving this though, stoking the fire, enabling bot farms and encouraging the spread of disinformation. It leads to more interaction & more traffic.
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Is saying Callum Doyle will be signing shortly disinformation?
 
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rob9872

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,657
SkyBlueMatt said:
I've always been against the call of policing speech on social media. The problem is that the internet is not what it was 15 years ago. The small little pockets of weird conspiracy theories where normal people would just describe as weirdos are now mainstream.

Plus you have the owner of a huge platform playing politics (huge in the US and now the UK) while also stoking the fire of division.

I don't believe in forced identification (whether that is something decided by the platform is another matter). A way to stop it would be to pass laws that allow huge fines to these social media companies for not cracking down on extremism and disinformation (both left & right).

It shouldn't be bought in the heat of the moment. Any law that would be passed would need to be thought out and discussed with industry leaders (and not people who have fingers in pies). If it's done just by politicians, who, if they are anything like American politicians, they don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to the internet. If it's not done correctly, it will only be abused by this government or future ones.

Space Karen is loving this though, stoking the fire, enabling bot farms and encouraging the spread of disinformation. It leads to more interaction & more traffic.
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Reported
 
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mmttww

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,658
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Bastards
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Are you being deliberately thick? People claim they're assembling because they believe various problems are caused by immigrants and immigration policy.

I've talked about how it's the oldest line going; vested interests foster an idea that immigrants are to blame, to divert attention from the actual root causes.

Think you're just trying to wind me up at this point as you haven't made a direct response to anything I've actually said. Feels like talking to a Grendel fanboy.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,659
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
Isn't it nice to see France having a party with all creeds and colours having positive sporting fun. That's what life is about. I'm going to try and watch the Olympics tonight rather than Sky News. Maybe all of us on here should do that and take a break from this thread.
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Pay particular attention to the 57kg and 66kg “women’s“ boxing.
 
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rob9872

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  • Aug 6, 2024
  • #2,660
MalcSB said:
Pay particular attention to the 57kg and 66kg “women’s“ boxing.
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Can't understand the issue. Simply punch her in the bollocks.
 
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