Nick
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I get that, I'm just saying that why is it only now and not in the last few days when hundreds of tweets are being shared?
Anything video, photo on social media needs verifying.
To cross post anything from some of these lunatic and bot accounts as fact is madness.
Especially now.
Obviously many clips will be 100% legit.
But that showed yesterday what they are capable of
All looked very real.
No, sure some of it is true. But some of the accounts shared are clearly bots/propaganda accounts.
Videos over the weekend were from multiple sources, on BBC etc. it’s fair to judge things differently.
I’m sure there are some Muslim groups going around too.
I guarantee we don’t. There will be some reserves somewhere I’m sure but as someone said only really been done in NI.they definitely aren't coming in and taking over the situation if they do get involved. it will simply be manpower, although the increased manpower could lead to a change in tactics.
on a practical level do we have enough riot gear to kit out the armed forces?
Agreed. Personally I think what will stop these riots is a couple of days of heavy rain and the rioters getting bored.I’m not sure the army are set up for this and if they were brought in would only be backup for the police and follow same tactics.
its very strange to me that we live in a world with multiple rolling news channels covering events like this live but there's a significant number of people who insist those channels are lying to us and the likes of patriot475737 on twitter are the reliable news source.
A bot? Really?Sorry , but I am not sure on that video.
Not debating the footage, but the dialogue is coming across like a bot to me there
I think so much is created by bots.
That's not saying the video is fake at all. Wish to make that clear
A lot of bot like behaviour
Why didn’t you come on here and comment about what was going on last nightthat’s terrible. your point?
I am not sure about that last sentence but I hope you are right.Agreed. Personally I think what will stop these riots is a couple of days of heavy rain and the rioters getting bored.
It won't be the police. Those that are organising them are inept.
No they generally play both sides and try and rile things up it in this case some of the videos are from suspect accounts. It’s fair to question that.So the bots only post stuff when it's about Muslims?
I’m suggesting that sending the army in then made things much, much worse. I support getting the police to use stronger tactics than they have up to now, yes.Apart from Northern Ireland I can't recall when we've needed them . I also can't recall such dreadful police tactics. Are you suggesting we can't use them because we haven't before in modern times ?
So you can answer my question now.
Nope. No blind eye here.It’s just going to be constant back and forth.
one night be the British patriots rioting and protesting based on the Muslim riots the night before.
the next night the Muslims will riot in response.
with both sides pointing fingers and turning a blind eye when appropriate.
it’s going to be a sad rest of the year.
The army mainly kids with no riot training.I’m suggesting that sending the army in then made things much, much worse. I support getting the police to use stronger tactics than they have up to now, yes.
But calling in the army was a disaster before and deciding to do so now is not trivial.
You went to that sick account.that’s terrible. your point?
No they generally play both sides and try and rile things up it in this case some of the videos are from suspect accounts. It’s fair to question that.
Im sure some of the videos are genuine but in these situations it often turns out some are old videos from different events.
The situation in northern Ireland was completely different.I’m suggesting that sending the army in then made things much, much worse. I support getting the police to use stronger tactics than they have up to now, yes.
But calling in the army was a disaster before and deciding to do so now is not trivial.
You went to that sick account.
You reposted that sick accounts material on here.
You trust what that sick account posts without question.
More whatabout diversion nonsense. Dozens of them tonight from you.No, what you are trying to do is discredit the content of the video because of the poster.
Again. What would the reaction be if somebody started that on some of the shocking videos from the weekend? Why is it only now?
Not weird at all.I know and I get that. Its just weird how it's only time to take a breath and question when it's videos of Muslim men carrying out attacks.
I don't just believe stuff either way round, I saw that evo posted videos of the same incident from different angles and different people filming.
Its weird.
What am I diverting, exactly?More whatabout diversion nonsense. Dozens of them tonight from you.
You are a truly strange guy.
The problem is you apparently didn't notice or care that that is a fascist account.sick account for showing a video that goes against your narrative.
fascism of the highest order
only share or post stuff you agree with. get it
The situation at the weekend was verified by multiple news sources and the police. I know you think you’re being consistent but it’s apples and oranges.No, what you are trying to do is discredit the content of the video because of the poster.
Again. What would the reaction be if somebody started that on some of the shocking videos from the weekend? Why is it only now?
I'm not saying there isn't fake stuff. There is.Not weird at all.
I am now questioning all footage
But just look at it logically.
The problem, as perceived by many, is immigration. Massive issue, right
What would foreign agents wish to do in this circumstance. Fuel that further.
The problem isn't that migrants have a problem with us, it's seemingly us having a problem.with migrants. So if you want to deploy a load of bots, the obvious thing to do is to fire up the right wing and anyone who thinks the borders should close and stop the boats etc.
Stir that up. Fuel the enough is enough. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was bots that started all the "he was a Muslim. Came over on a boat last year" etc. for the Southport attack
It's clear now that, that footage yesterday was fake. That was Muslims supposedly attacking shite, British with machetes.
Why would that be fake? Fake that, because that fires people up further and stokes everything up.
So, it makes sense that bots will try and show as much footage as possible of blacks attacking whites.
That prolongs the riots. Spread she rioting, fuels the hate.
There probably is fake on the other side too, but if you wanted to get the Brits almost at civil.war, this is the way to do it. Focus on an issue that is huge to many people and those who already have a distrust of Islam.
That's my take anyway.
All makes sense to me
I clearly said I don't deny the footage.A bot? Really?
The video doesn’t match your desired narrative so you questions its validity, despite the incident being filmed from tow angles by different people
Absolutely!Not weird at all.
I am now questioning all footage
But just look at it logically.
The problem, as perceived by many, is immigration. Massive issue, right
What would foreign agents wish to do in this circumstance. Fuel that further.
The problem isn't that migrants have a problem with us, it's seemingly us having a problem.with migrants. So if you want to deploy a load of bots, the obvious thing to do is to fire up the right wing and anyone who thinks the borders should close and stop the boats etc.
Stir that up. Fuel the enough is enough. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was bots that started all the "he was a Muslim. Came over on a boat last year" etc. for the Southport attack
It's clear now that, that footage yesterday was fake. That was Muslims supposedly attacking shite, British with machetes.
Why would that be fake? Fake that, because that fires people up further and stokes everything up.
So, it makes sense that bots will try and show as much footage as possible of blacks attacking whites.
That prolongs the riots. Spread she rioting, fuels the hate.
There probably is fake on the other side too, but if you wanted to get the Brits almost at civil.war, this is the way to do it. Focus on an issue that is huge to many people and those who already have a distrust of Islam.
That's my take anyway.
All makes sense to me
In NI it began very similarly to how it’s beginning here, and the justifications for the violence were equally similar.The situation in northern Ireland is completely different.
What do you suggest if , a week from now, the situation on the streets has not changed at all?
Shall we hope for lots of rain ?
The situation at the weekend was verified by multiple news sources and the police. I know you think you’re being consistent but it’s apples and oranges.
Again, I’m sure most of the videos are real and there are Muslim gangs about but when they’re mainly coming from weird accounts people are going to wait for more info.
Was it that different fundamentally?The situation in northern Ireland was completely different.
What do you suggest if , a week from now, the situation on the streets has not changed at all?
Shall we hope for lots of rain ?
I’m not sure the army are set up for this and if they were brought in would only be backup for the police and follow same tactics.
No these are clearly genuine and from trusted sources. It’s the ones from dodgy accounts people are questioning.how naive are you
lbc reporter
Sky news chased out
Or this fake too?
Were they all from news sources, then?The situation at the weekend was verified by multiple news sources and the police. I know you think you’re being consistent but it’s apples and oranges.
Again, I’m sure most of the videos are real and there are Muslim gangs about but when they’re mainly coming from weird accounts people are going to wait for more info.
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