Gathering for Tommy / Discontent (10 Viewers)

Nick · Aug 4, 2024

chiefdave said:
Absolutely agree with this but I fear that the type of people out rioting don't really want to engage in those conversations. I've asked the question on here, what would you do from the point we are at now, and been met with nothing but laughing emojis.

Unfortunately there is a group of people for whom 'solving' immigration means not just not letting anyone in but removing people who don't conform to their ideal. That's just not going to be possible on any level.

To stop the rioting now as it stands. Get the army in, take every one of them rioting to some sort of army camp and after giving them a kicking make them do some hard graft. Make them integrate and educate. If they have committed a crime, make sure they are convicted of that.

I know I keep mentioning that video of the Imam from Liverpool, I don't fancy him or anything but that is exactly what is needed with people who can actually have a discussion.

At the minute, there's a bit of head in the sand about some of the legitimate issues people have.

Some people are just cunts who need to be dragged off the streets, if they are kids they should be taken home and their parents asked about it as well.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 4, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
1. 20 years of concerns about immigration being ignored
2. 20 years of branding anyone who points of the problem of high level immigration as "racist"
3. Two tier policing where the Met go out of their way to condone calls for Jihad on the streets of London whilst at the same time a man who sold anti immigration stickers got 2 years inside
4. An absolute denial in all media, govt, and the legal system that immigration has downsides as well as up.

Maybe for a start stop calling people names if they suggest not everything about large scale immigration isn't good?

You do understand that people have been arrested in the last few years for the crime of openly dissenting against the monarchy? The idea that the police are institutionally biased against white British people is absurd and unfounded in reality.

Just recently environmental protesters are to be given years in prison just for planning protests. It’s not just people campaigning against Johnny Foreigner.

bigfatronssba · Aug 4, 2024

wingy said:
They haven't been riot's have they?

No they just tore down statues, injured police officers and horses, and defaced our war memorials

Otis · Aug 4, 2024

Deleted member 5849 said:
It was exactly the same in BLM. All people had to do was nod and agree that Black Lives do indeed Matter. End of thread.

Exactly. We had the exact same thing then.

Black lives matter, but ....

duffer · Aug 4, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
If your life was legitimately in danger in your home country, why, after finding safety in France would you then once again risk your life in the English Channel?

So you admit the buy a plane ticket thing was bullshit then?

Nick · Aug 4, 2024

wingy said:
Oh no sorry if I've been misconstrued,the Palestine marches!

Oh, yeah there has been some dickheads too. It was only in May that a woman copper had her faced smashed in by a bottle.

Of course, it's a small minority of cunts.

Saddlebrains · Aug 4, 2024

It's all just fucking stupid now

I'm hugely concerned by the unchecked immigration and safety in this country. Alongside the crumbling NHS, Police, housing etc

But I'm not rioting. Because it's fucking pathetic, isn't going to achieve anything and is going to make things worse.

You resolve this by those in charge listening to concerns, doing something about it. You resolve the immigration issue by putting a complete shutdown on anymore coming in for a set period of time getting on top of who is here already, and implementing a proper immigration system not the shite we have now

We need to invest in more prisons, invest in more hospitals, doctors, nurses, build.more affordable housing. I'm adamant that a party that is open with saying they will increase taxes for everybody,but will deliver all the above, will be a party people will finally unite under

This rioting now is just embarrassing

Nick · Aug 4, 2024

Deleted member 5849 said:
It was exactly the same in BLM. All people had to do was nod and agree that Black Lives do indeed Matter. End of thread.

Unless of course they spoke against the riots and the behaviour.

Using your logic, what we should do is agree with the rioters and end of thread.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 4, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
It's all just fucking stupid now

I'm hugely concerned by the unchecked immigration and safety in this country. Alongside the crumbling NHS, Police, housing etc

But I'm not rioting. Because it's fucking pathetic, isn't going to achieve anything and is going to make things worse.

You resolve this by those in charge listening to concerns, doing something about it. You resolve the immigration issue by putting a complete shutdown on anymore coming in, getting on top of who is here already, and implementing a proper immigration system not the shite we have now

We need to invest in more prisons, invest in more hospitals, doctors, nurses, build.more affordable housing. I'm adamant that a party that is open with saying they will increase taxes for everybody,but will deliver all the above, will be a party people will finally unite under

This rioting now is just embarrassing

You want to ban any foreigners from coming here? Does that extend to any more overseas CCFC signings?

bigfatronssba · Aug 4, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
You do understand that people have been arrested in the last few years for the crime of openly dissenting against the monarchy? The idea that the police are institutionally biased against white British people is absurd and unfounded in reality.

Just recently environmental protesters are to be given years in prison just for planning protests. It’s not just people campaigning against Johnny Foreigner.

Yes, and I thought that was disgraceful as well (if its the same case I'm thinking of)

The Police support the state, the state is terrified of Islamic extremism, and so appeases. Hence why the two Islamists that assaulted a police woman at Manchester Airport haven't yet been charged

Nick · Aug 4, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
It's all just fucking stupid now

I'm hugely concerned by the unchecked immigration and safety in this country. Alongside the crumbling NHS, Police, housing etc

But I'm not rioting. Because it's fucking pathetic, isn't going to achieve anything and is going to make things worse.

You resolve this by those in charge listening to concerns, doing something about it. You resolve the immigration issue by putting a complete shutdown on anymore coming in, getting on top of who is here already, and implementing a proper immigration system not the shite we have now

We need to invest in more prisons, invest in more hospitals, doctors, nurses, build.more affordable housing. I'm adamant that a party that is open with saying they will increase taxes for everybody,but will deliver all the above, will be a party people will finally unite under

This rioting now is just embarrassing

Keep saying it, who is going to listen to concerns? There is no real balanced option.

Nick · Aug 4, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
You want to ban any foreigners from coming here?

I read it to mean a temporary thing until people who were already here have been processed and a new immigration system put in place going forward?

bigfatronssba · Aug 4, 2024

Deleted member 5849 said:
It was exactly the same in BLM. All people had to do was nod and agree that Black Lives do indeed Matter. End of thread.

All you have to agree is that immigration rates of nearly 1m per year isn't a good idea and that an unintegrated society isn't sensible

Saddlebrains · Aug 4, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
You want to ban any foreigners from coming here?

Edited to include 'for a set period of time'.

I feel that's what's needed to get a hold on the mess caused over the last however many years of unchecked boats etc.

During that period, create a robust means tested immigration process, that will work for both those coming here, and this country

djr8369 · Aug 4, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
Immigration is one thing (the level, not necessarily the principle)

But more importantly the two tier justice system we seem to have. That applies to the likes of Just Stop Oil blocking roads as well

What’s the two tier justice system?

bigfatronssba · Aug 4, 2024

duffer said:
So you admit the buy a plane ticket thing was bullshit then?

No, you gave reasons why it might not be possible, not why it definitely isn't

torchomatic · Aug 4, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
You want to ban any foreigners from coming here? Does that extend to any more overseas CCFC signings?

Nah, course not. They're the "good" ones.

Sick Boy · Aug 4, 2024

Evo1883 said:
I think the government have repeatedly lied to the public about the ability to control immigration .. it's always been a hot topic and a thing many voters deem important ..

The country even voted leave pretty much because they were told (and lied to ) that uncontrolled immigration would be nipped in the bud .

What really needs to happen is a proper honest conversation about this , where politicians tell the public ( many who are not rioting but are at home and want action to tackle uncontrolled migration and their communities being changed without a care for what they think ) what they plan to do and if it's actually achievable , instead of lying for votes

And they don't want to be called far right for thinking it , I think uncontrolled immigration is a joke and out of control and I'm not "far right"

There were choices available to it even when in the EU that would have required people to have a job, housing etc before accessing healthcare and public services.

The country didn’t bother to implement these and even now doesn’t have the infrastructure for it.

Saddlebrains · Aug 4, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
Edited to include 'for a set period of time'.

I feel that's what's needed to get a hold on the mess caused over the last however many years of unchecked boats etc.

During that period, create a robust means tested immigration process, that will work for both those coming here, and this country

I'm aware I'm replying to myself but I realise reading back that none of that's gonna happen and the country is just going to continue spiralling into the cesspit it now is

torchomatic · Aug 4, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
This rioting now is just embarrassing

No, it's disgusting, shocking, dangerous.

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 4, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
Yes, and I thought that was disgraceful as well (if its the same case I'm thinking of)

The Police support the state, the state is terrified of Islamic extremism, and so appeases. Hence why the two Islamists that assaulted a police woman at Manchester Airport haven't yet been charged

The state haven’t funded our police properly in a long time to the point where certain crimes will be written off and not investigated.

The problems the country has got are not to do with immigrants, they are symptoms of a managed decline that began with Maggie and was continued by her successors. Underfunding public services to the point where we rely heavily on foreign labour is a large part of why Saddle’s ‘don’t let anymore in’ is ridiculous.

Elsewhere the large parts of the country that fell into economic disrepair in the 80s have also been ignored since then and left people desperate for a solution or a scapegoat. Governments failed these areas but it’s not by letting in more foreigners.

duffer · Aug 4, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
No, you gave reasons why it might not be possible, not why it definitely isn't

C'mon fella. Do you believe that the people coming over on small boats could just buy a plane ticket and arrive that way instead? Straight question, give it a straight answer.

JAM See · Aug 4, 2024

Saddlebrains said:
It's all just fucking stupid now

I'm hugely concerned by the unchecked immigration and safety in this country. Alongside the crumbling NHS, Police, housing etc

But I'm not rioting. Because it's fucking pathetic, isn't going to achieve anything and is going to make things worse.

You resolve this by those in charge listening to concerns, doing something about it. You resolve the immigration issue by putting a complete shutdown on anymore coming in for a set period of time getting on top of who is here already, and implementing a proper immigration system not the shite we have now

We need to invest in more prisons, invest in more hospitals, doctors, nurses, build.more affordable housing. I'm adamant that a party that is open with saying they will increase taxes for everybody,but will deliver all the above, will be a party people will finally unite under

This rioting now is just embarrassing

There is no unchecked immigration.

bigfatronssba · Aug 4, 2024

djr8369 said:
What’s the two tier justice system?

Refugee who attacked officer ‘should not do community service as he can’t speak English’

Unpaid work order for Jordanian ‘would require translator and could raise health and safety issues’

www.telegraph.co.uk

Samuel Melia: Far-right activist jailed after sticker campaign

The judge says Samuel Melia was "peddling the same antisemitism" as the fascists of the 1930s.

www.bbc.co.uk

Stickers are worse than assault apparently

Otis · Aug 4, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
All you have to agree is that immigration rates of nearly 1m per year isn't a good idea and that an unintegrated society isn't sensible

Obviously a society that isn't integrated can never be good.

One of the first things I would do would be to shut down all faith schools. Make sure RS is included in every curriculum and cover all religions.

Each, individual faith or religion can always use the likes on Sunday School for Bible studies, or whatever floats your boat. Just like we had when I was a kid.

I always remember a documentary (maybe C4) on faith schools and it was focusing on some extreme, orthodox Jewish schooling that was not at all healthy and to be honest, not really even legal (they were telling authorities they were not schools, when they clearly were)

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 4, 2024

Nick said:
I read it to mean a temporary thing until people who were already here have been processed and a new immigration system put in place going forward?

How do you enforce it? Ban everyone with a foreign passport from arriving?

bigfatronssba · Aug 4, 2024

torchomatic said:
Nah, course not. They're the "good" ones.

You want open borders then?

Nick · Aug 4, 2024

Just nipping to the shop, hope that's OK with some people.

bigfatronssba · Aug 4, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The state haven’t funded our police properly in a long time to the point where certain crimes will be written off and not investigated.

The problems the country has got are not to do with immigrants, they are symptoms of a managed decline that began with Maggie and was continued by her successors. Underfunding public services to the point where we rely heavily on foreign labour is a large part of why Saddle’s ‘don’t let anymore in’ is ridiculous.

Elsewhere the large parts of the country that fell into economic disrepair in the 80s have also been ignored since then and left people desperate for a solution or a scapegoat. Governments failed these areas but it’s not by letting in more foreigners.

Governments failed these areas by allowing large scale immigration to supress wages

bigfatronssba · Aug 4, 2024

Otis said:
Obviously a society that isn't integrated can never be good.

One of the first things I would do would be to shut down all faith schools. Make sure RS is included in every curriculum and cover all religions.

Each, individual faith or religion can always use the likes on Sunday School for Bible studies, or whatever floats your boat. Just like we had when I was a kid.

I always remember a documentary (maybe C4) on faith schools and it was focusing on some extreme, orthodox Jewish schooling that was not at all healthy and to be honest, not really even legal (they were telling authorities they were not schools, when they clearly were)

Sensible ideas which I agree with

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 4, 2024

bigfatronssba said:
Governments failed these areas by allowing large scale immigration to supress wages

This is objectively not true. Who was it who started the ball rolling on making millions of people unemployed? Of dismantling longstanding British industries? And of not bothering to replace them?

duffer · Aug 4, 2024

Why don't they just stay in France? A lot of them do. France handles more asylum seekers than us (most European countries do, from memory). For the rest, a few good reasons here...

Asylum Seekers Crossing the English Channel: Why Don’t They Stay in France? - By Marie Léveillé - United Against Inhumanity

“It is often claimed that asylum-seekers coming to the UK in small boats should have applied for asylum in France. In this article, Marie Leveille explains that most asylum-seekers reaching France stay in France, why those who cross the Channel do so, and shows that they have every right to make...

www.against-inhumanity.org

JAM See · Aug 4, 2024

Nick said:
Just nipping to the shop, hope that's OK with some people.

Can you get me four cans of Stella, kingsize Rizzla, six pack of Monster Munch and some maltesers please?

duffer · Aug 4, 2024

Nick said:
Just nipping to the shop, hope that's OK with some people.

You can take your phone and still reply can't you? Bloody part-timers.

Nick · Aug 4, 2024

JAM See said:
Can you get me four cans of Stella, kingsize Rizzla, six pack of Monster Munch and some maltesers please?

Rioters choice of beer, the English stuff to wash down an English chow mein on a friday.

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