So the number is infinite but it's controlled, that clears that up at least.
Is there (and I've asked this many times but never got an answer) a limit on the number of migrants that once reached, would have a detrimental effect on the people already residing in the UK?
Is there any point that you would say "this is unsustainable?"
If so, what in your opinion is that limit?
Half a million a year? 1 million a year?
5 million? 20 million?
And specifically victimizes asylum seekers who end up being collateral damage and have done nothing but flee persecution.It's awful wording and quite deliberate.
We're also not producing enough kids, so if people want less immigration they need the country to get shagging more.I've no idea. I'm sure they'll be a study on it online somewhere.
Though I'd imagine 'detrimental affect' is partially subjective.
Some people will think one immigrant is one too many.
I honestly have no idea what the limit should be but if we want a proper debate on this we need to go into the pros and cons and if we reduce immigration we need solutions to and cons that may arise.
Social care been prime example.
I reported various posts.You haven't DMd me?
If you used the report button then it will be looked at as soon as I can get to my computer. (working on a better way to sort it from phones)
I haven't seen but just to be clear, reporting things doesn't instantly mean people are going to banned or things removed. The ones on Friday night, obviously it did.
I think you have a mess to sort out from last night unfortunately.You haven't DMd me?
If you used the report button then it will be looked at as soon as I can get to my computer. (working on a better way to sort it from phones)
I haven't seen but just to be clear, reporting things doesn't instantly mean people are going to banned or things removed. The ones on Friday night, obviously it did.
Haven't we allI think you have a mess to sort out from last night unfortunately.
We're also not producing enough kids, so if people want less immigration they need the country to get shagging more.
I might start a slogan.
Happy for you to start a Gofundme on my behalf to reverse my snip Rob.We're also not producing enough kids, so if people want less immigration they need the country to get shagging more.
I might start a slogan.
I think you have a mess to sort out from last night unfortunately.
I reported various posts.
Fuck your wife (or someone else's wife) ... for In-ger-land and St George!Be interested to hear your slogan!'
A Gunslinger never sleeps NickThere's a Shock.
I'm sure people will be pulling their cocks that I wasn't at my computer all night for them.
Kill Old People?I've said this before, our whole society is structured around ever increasing population.
If we reduce immigration and the population shrinks we need to find another way of doing things.
This is the sort of thing I was alluding to in my previous post.
I think currently we have something like 3 working adults to every 1 inactive adult and it will soon be 2 to 1.
Obviously there's been a rise in working age inactivity but the main driver is the increase in old people.
Be interested to hear your slogan!'
spot on, was amazed to find that 1 in 4 working age people don't work in this countryI've said this before, our whole society is structured around ever increasing population.
If we reduce immigration and the population shrinks we need to find another way of doing things.
This is the sort of thing I was alluding to in my previous post.
I think currently we have something like 3 working adults to every 1 inactive adult and it will soon be 2 to 1.
How?Kill Old People?
Well we've removed the winter fuel allowance so that should see a few offKill Old People?
Here's where I struggle with this 'balance' (and I hadn't even seen you'd used the word until I'd bashed this out, so not particularly targeted at you specifically). I think nobody, but nobody would be averse to people who are in the country illegally being removed. Actually, I can think of one person I knew who would, but they're very much on the margins of the debate.So for balance (and these are made up numbers so don't quote facts to me), let's say net migration is 1m per year but 100,000 are illegal immigrants if those were stopped, which I think is pretty much the message Rishi was retrying to say, but net immigration remained the same, would people be happier and more accepting? I think they would. It's the illegal word that stokes the fires. In addition a ridiculously high percentage of those are young single males, not families, not women. Is that the crux of the problem? If it is then what answers do we have to tackle that if we all agree that normal migration is good for the country?
I know you're joking but we desperately need to have a serious debate in this country about this.Kill Old People?
You responded to me reporting posts by DM previously so it was safe to assume you had seen them as you had been posting. I am not stirring up anything. I just feel as the most popular CCFC fan site on the Internet we should follow the club's example in having a clear zero tolerance approach to racism in all its forms.They will be looked at. Don't worry!
Although as you thought it was best to post to try and stir it up rather than send me DM says volumes.
I'm sure you will get some likes.
Absolutely. Just to be clear it takes the best part of a decade to train a doctor to the requisit level from scratch.Here's where I struggle with this 'balance' (and I hadn't even seen you'd used the word until I'd bashed this out, so not particularly targeted at you specifically). I think nobody, but nobody would be averse to people who are in the country illegally being removed. Actually, I can think of one person I knew who would, but they're very much on the margins of the debate.
So, lets take this middle ground as nobody wants people who are in this country illegally, to remain in the country illegally.
The problem is, who it takes out in collatoral damage, the same as suggesting people are benefit cheats, the rich elite are all tax dodgers etc... how about those who *need* benefits? You cannot demonise them or stop their support because some try to circumvent the system as, in any walk of life, there will be people who try to do that. I reckon through my work / research over time I've met more asylum seekers than many, and their stories of their experiences can make you physically sick. What they are, almost to a (wo)man, is grateful to this country for its sanctuary, grateful for its acceptance of them, and patriotic in that they are delighted for the chance to make a life for themselves away from those horrors. That is also why they come and seek asylum here, not because we're a soft touch but because we're seen as fair-minded and having a sense of justice... although I couldn't say how it is now as my contact is substantially less - the limited I do have suggests since Brexit people feel more under threat.
In terms of being asked to have a reasonable debate, I get laughed at and mocked when I point out the stats, I get laughed at and mocked when I point out it just isn't possible to be an illegal asylum seeker - that sense of fairness surely allows everyone to have their case judged doesn't it? And people do mix the numbers substantially together. Economic migrants tend to actually contribute more than they take out so, actually, remove them and we have less to spend in a country. Asylum seekers to my mind have the absolute right to claim safety and sanctuary from torture and torment.
So that leaves people who melt away into the shadows, either straight away (in which case they won't be on the numbers anyway) or after their claim has been refused... or if they overstay their visa.
I don't think anybody has an issue with those people being found and deported.
So the focus needs to shift in *how* you process people to begin with, how quickly you process people, and what you do with them once a decision is reached! As with so many things that tends to come down to resources and manpower - and if instead of slogans coined to stir up a sentiment of hatred and anger, and money pointlessly funnelled off to an impractical and immoral policy in Rwanda, then it would have been far better spent on the resources needed to speed up claims (which would also help indeed areas like Allesley. Grendel is quite right, the hotel there has caused no end of problems but isn't it better to process those who have a valid claim and let them make their way in the world... along with processing those we want rid of ASAP so they don't get the chance to wreak havoc?), and find those who are here without recourse to be. *That* is the middle ground, remove those who should not be here... but don't take down innocent people with it. That applies across society and is why generalisations are dangerous - people mix and match different areas to form a case for preconceptions.
Now Brighton Sky Blue had it spot on when he said we need to train people for jobs economic migrants currently do. That takes time however, so won't fix instantly. It also means expense, so we have to accept we will be worse off for a while to be better off overall.
Your last paragraph is one my Wife has been saying for a very long time....feel for you.I know you're joking but we desperately need to have a serious debate in this country about this.
My Dad is in end of life care, we're 3.5 years into that. Anyone who has been in a similar situation is almost certain to have questioned what the point is in keeping people alive in that state.
For a few years before that his life consisted of moving between his bed and the sofa with trips at least once a week to the hospital for some test or procedure.
Then he collapsed and ended up in hospital, was stuck there for weeks as there was no care places available. He's now been in the home for 3 years. He's bed bound, can't see, can't hear, has no clue where he is, who people are, or what is going on. If he's awake he is screaming for help or to go home. In his more lucid moments he will ask me to help him kill himself.
Who is that benefiting while costing a huge amount of money and resources? As more than one doctor has said to me we're at a point where medical science is so good we're keeping people alive way past what their bodies and brains can cope with.
I would be all for a policy that meant we had to stop relying on immigrants to fill more of our jobs. The latter beings its own dangers after all - what if they stop wanting to come? It's also exploitative in its own way and allows us to neglect our own foundations.Absolutely. Just to be clear it takes the best part of a decade to train a doctor to the requisit level from scratch.
You responded to me reporting posts by DM previously so it was safe to assume you had seen them as you had been posting. I am not stirring up anything. I just feel as the most popular CCFC fan site on the Internet we should follow the club's example in having a clear zero tolerance approach to racism in all its forms.
We have people who have stopped posting because of this and we should show solidarity with our players in rejecting racism.
So the issue is economically inactive adults, surely this should be the issue that is front and centre?spot on, was amazed to find that 1 in 4 working age people don't work in this country
then add in kids and pensioners and there's a huge number of people who need to be supported by the working populationWho are the millions of Britons not working, and why?
About a quarter of the working age population - those aged 16 to 64 - do not currently have a job.www.bbc.co.uk
The amount of idiots who have grassed themselves up means Labour best on a move on with building some new prisons.The fact that they are all happily filming each other and posting it online will certainly help the police
It's so sad and really it's inhumane but there is legally no alternative is there?I know you're joking but we desperately need to have a serious debate in this country about this.
My Dad is in end of life care, we're 3.5 years into that. Anyone who has been in a similar situation is almost certain to have questioned what the point is in keeping people alive in that state.
For a few years before that his life consisted of moving between his bed and the sofa with trips at least once a week to the hospital for some test or procedure.
Then he collapsed and ended up in hospital, was stuck there for weeks as there was no care places available. He's now been in the home for 3 years. He's bed bound, can't see, can't hear, has no clue where he is, who people are, or what is going on. If he's awake he is screaming for help or to go home. In his more lucid moments he will ask me to help him kill himself.
Who is that benefiting while costing a huge amount of money and resources? As more than one doctor has said to me we're at a point where medical science is so good we're keeping people alive way past what their bodies and brains can cope with.
I agree but no Government tackles this issue because it is so long term and there are no votes in saying we will have more home grown doctors within the next 10-15 years. Not as catchy as 'Get Brexit Done' or 'Stop the Boats'.I would be all for a policy that meant we had to stop relying on immigrants to fill more of our jobs. The latter beings its own dangers after all - what if they stop wanting to come? It's also exploitative in its own way and allows us to neglect our own foundations.
I'm getting Logan's Run vibes hereHow?
Hung, drawn and quartered I say.
We could call it the triple lock for pensioners.
You can tell it's the summer holidays. Most of them look about 12.And now the looting.
Pretty shameful all round here.
And now the looting.
Pretty shameful all round here.
How stupid, no attempts to hide who they are.And now the looting.
Pretty shameful all round here.
A lot of these "protests" are taking place in towns/city's with high unemployment. Blackburn, Burnley, Sunderland are all pretty deprived.spot on, was amazed to find that 1 in 4 working age people don't work in this country
then add in kids and pensioners and there's a huge number of people who need to be supported by the working populationWho are the millions of Britons not working, and why?
About a quarter of the working age population - those aged 16 to 64 - do not currently have a job.www.bbc.co.uk
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