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Gathering for Tommy / Discontent (1 Viewer)

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torchomatic

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,501
Macca said:
Thankfully the night was largely violence free I think
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Absolutely. One policeman said that communities had reclaimed their streets, which was beautifully put.

Let's hope they've crawled back under their rocks.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,502
See that clown Fox snd his pal the cos play vicar have turned on Farage, lovely stuff.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,503
clint van damme said:
See that clown Fox snd his pal the cos play vicar have turned on Farage, lovely stuff.
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Before you know it he'll resign as an MP and trundle off to the States.
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,504
torchomatic said:
Before you know it he'll resign as an MP and trundle off to the States.
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I think he's already done while sitting.
Absolute grifter.
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,505
Just an update on the telegram message about Mike Tyson wanting a scrap with me.

He didn't turn up.



I knew it was strange that his username was robl0xb0y673
 
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rob9872

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,506
Nick said:
Just an update on the telegram message about Mike Tyson wanting a scrap with me.

He didn't turn up.



I knew it was strange that his username was robl0xb0y673
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Peace and unity wins though, although intelligence shows there is still a threat and he said this morning but might be tomorrow. Remain vigilant
 
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torchomatic

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,507
Police minister Diana Johnson has said it is matter for football and rugby clubs themselves if they want to take banning action against people convicted of being part of far-right violent disorder over the last few days.

PA Media reports she told listeners of LBC:

I think all options are being looked at, to be honest, and I am pretty clear that most football clubs do not want to be seen to have football hooligans and people carrying out criminal acts on the streets of the local communities in their stands on a Saturday.
So I think that’s a very live debate that’s going on at the moment, and I think there are consequences for people’s bad behaviour on our streets and their criminal activity, and if that’s what football clubs or rugby clubs choose to do, that’s a matter for them, but all tactics and all options should be looked at.
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,508
torchomatic said:
Police minister Diana Johnson has said it is matter for football and rugby clubs themselves if they want to take banning action against people convicted of being part of far-right violent disorder over the last few days.

PA Media reports she told listeners of LBC:
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Looks like we will all need DBS checks before we are allowed to buy a season ticket.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,509
MalcSB said:
Looks like we will all need DBS checks before we are allowed to buy a season ticket.
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Just renewed mine as it happens.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,510
MalcSB said:
Looks like we will all need DBS checks before we are allowed to buy a season ticket.
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Surely, none of us want racist thugs at our games? Particularly when we have a large amount of players from different countries and backgrounds in our team.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,511
torchomatic said:
Just renewed mine as it happens.
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What, your DBS?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,512
wingy said:
Petrol or diesel confusion?
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It's a misfuelling episode
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,513
David O'Day said:
The fash have even lost the Mail

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It's more like the Mail, Torygraph etc do their best to disassociate themselves from the behaviours driven by the kind of drivel they've published for 20-30 years. They hate the type of people who are on the anti-racist protests usually.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,514
torchomatic said:
Surely, none of us want racist thugs at our games? Particularly when we have a large amount of players from different countries and backgrounds in our team.
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Of course we don’t, but how are they stopped?

Is it an erosion of civil liberties to have a punishment unrelated to the crime? Jailed, lost their job seems punishment enough. Ban them from football, foreign holidays, driving - whatever. Hardly likely to end up with anything other than an escalation of resentment. Not much in the way of rehabilitation there. That resentment will end up being expressed in some way - they will have little or nothing to lose.
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 8, 2024
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No issue with people being banned from football if they are convicted of a race crime (trying to burn a hotel they think migrants are in, attacking somebody based on their skin colour etc).

A spotty teenager robbing from Greggs? Yeah, he needs tp be punished accordingly for criminal damage but no point banning him from football.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,516
MalcSB said:
Looks like we will all need DBS checks before we are allowed to buy a season ticket.
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She's said it's down to the football clubs themselves
 

rob9872

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,517
torchomatic said:
Surely, none of us want racist thugs at our games? Particularly when we have a large amount of players from different countries and backgrounds in our team.
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Agree, but then I dont want armed robbers, burglars, paedos, murderers etc. Is it ok if they killed someone not in a race crime? I'm sure normally you'd be advocating that if people have served their time they deserve a second chance at life, why should these be different?
 
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rob9872

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,518
In fact there are a few people on this board who have openly admitted to having been in prison. Who's going to tell them to hand their tickets back?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 8, 2024
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rob9872 said:
Agree, but then I dont want armed robbers, burglars, paedos, murderers etc. Is it ok if they killed someone not in a race crime? I'm sure normally you'd be advocating that if people have served their time they deserve a second chance at life, why should these be different?
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I guess it's if they're likely to re-offend. A reformed racist? Great. I'm not sure what message we send out to Kasey Palmer for one if we condemn Sheffield Wednesday racists, but let 'ours' have the opportunity to do similar.

Someone who's got carried away, thrown a brick, regretted it and I'd say that yep, they should of course be given a second chance and more. As ever there are scales though aren't there, and if somebody is showing demonstrably racist views over time then as far as I'm concerned they don't support our club because they don't support our players. Therefore, as a non-supporter, they shouldn't get tickets. Maybe in the future they're regret / change their views and then of course they should be welcomed back.
 

Nick

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,520
rob9872 said:
Agree, but then I dont want armed robbers, burglars, paedos, murderers etc. Is it ok if they killed someone not in a race crime? I'm sure normally you'd be advocating that if people have served their time they deserve a second chance at life, why should these be different?
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Maybe if it's a race crime and they have served their time, go through some sort of educational course before coming back to football?
 
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rob9872

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,521
Deleted member 5849 said:
I guess it's if they're likely to re-offend. A reformed racist? Great. I'm not sure what message we send out to Kasey Palmer for one if we condemn Sheffield Wednesday racists, but let 'ours' have the opportunity to do similar.

Someone who's got carried away, thrown a brick, regretted it and I'd say that yep, they should of course be given a second chance and more. As ever there are scales though aren't there, and if somebody is showing demonstrably racist views over time then as far as I'm concerned they don't support our club because they don't support our players. Therefore, as a non-supporter, they shouldn't get tickets. Maybe in the future they're regret / change their views and then of course they should be welcomed back.
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But how do you control it? We've seen the comments on this board. Clearly some are racist. Some hide it better than others but they will be allowed to attend under your rules. We can't decide based on whether it's 'our type of criminal' and has to be a one size fits all and either if they've done the time then they're allowed back or not at all.

I'd be interested to read the views of Pete on this as he's very pro rehabilitation.
 
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rob9872

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,522
Nick said:
Maybe if it's a race crime and they have served their time, go through some sort of educational course before coming back to football?
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Again, would a murderer or paedo have to do that? If they've done their time then how are they different?
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,523
Nick said:
Just an update on the telegram message about Mike Tyson wanting a scrap with me.

He didn't turn up.



I knew it was strange that his username was robl0xb0y673
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He heard you were going to two foot him
 
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rob9872

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  • Aug 8, 2024
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And I am coming at this from a view that is very much law and order, I woudlnt have any of them, but I dont think it's our decision to pick and choose either.
 

Nick

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,525
rob9872 said:
Again, would a murderer or paedo have to do that? If they've done their time then how are they different?
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No I do get your point entirely.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 8, 2024
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rob9872 said:
Some hide it better than others but they will be allowed to attend under your rules.
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That's the problem full-stop with crimes though isn't it - the slightly more intelligent ones are harder to catch! Unfortunately yeah it does mean that those who haven't been directly outright racist continue attending until they do something that makes them bannable.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,527
I feel this was put out as an additional deterrent to people. Unlikely anything will come of it as it seems impractical.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 8, 2024
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rob9872 said:
Again, would a murderer or paedo have to do that? If they've done their time then how are they different?
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I guess for all you know, the bloke sitting next to you is Coventry's answer to Dennis Nilsen.

(More worrying if that person is your son or Dad I guess!)
 
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rob9872

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,529
Deleted member 5849 said:
I guess for all you know, the bloke sitting next to you is Coventry's answer to Dennis Nilsen.

(More worrying if that person is your son or Dad I guess!)
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It actually is my dad who when he had a beard in the 80s looked a bit like Peter Sutcliffe.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Aug 8, 2024
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rob9872 said:
In fact there are a few people on this board who have openly admitted to having been in prison. Who's going to tell them to hand their tickets back?
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Hard to imagine anyone on here in prison, what are the crimes?
O'Day - Arguing in an empty room
Boosh - Wumming
Tony - Signing up to a football forum despite having no interest in football
BlueSkies - Persistent bed wetting
GIMOC - Chatting shit
Hardly arrestable offences.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 8, 2024
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There should be a ban for a period of time. Most of the people involved will deserve a second chance, some won’t though. I’m particularly thinking about the 58 year old with a history of this behaviour sentenced yesterday, his mindset is clearly set in still carrying on like this at his age. People need to be punished for what they’ve done, we need to remember that their actions mean they willingly took themselves out of a functioning society, they have to earn the right to welcomed back into that society.
 
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TomRad85 said:
GIMOC - Chatting shit
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GIMOC was spreading racist misinformation however...
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 8, 2024
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skybluetony176 said:
They’re should be a ban for a period of time. Most of the people involved will deserve a second chance, some won’t though. I’m particularly thinking about the 58 year old with a history of this behaviour sentenced yesterday, his mindset is clearly set in still carrying on like this at his age. People need to be punished for what they’ve done, we need to remember that their actions mean they willingly took themselves out of a functioning society, they have to earn the right to welcomed back into that society.
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Didn't he get arrested for assaulting a copper? While I agree they should be punished, should clubs have a memo from the courts every week with names?
 

torchomatic

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,534
rob9872 said:
Agree, but then I dont want armed robbers, burglars, paedos, murderers etc. Is it ok if they killed someone not in a race crime? I'm sure normally you'd be advocating that if people have served their time they deserve a second chance at life, why should these be different?
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Well, that will be up to the club to decide. Me, if I were Rotherham Utd and some of those twats who tried to burn down a hotel with people inside were ST Holders, well I'd ban them. For life. If it was those people nicking crocs or steak bakes, then probably not.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #3,535
Nick said:
Didn't he get arrested for assaulting a copper? While I agree they should be punished, should clubs have a memo from the courts every week with names?
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This time. His history I believe is littered with violence and racism. At 58 I think you have admit he’s beyond rehabilitation.
 
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