the rumpo kid
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and thats why you shouldnt buy a season ticket .
and thats why you shouldnt buy a season ticket .The problem is they don't have to do anything. If they don't want to sell then they won't sell.
That doesn't make any sense. Just pay them the value. Another indication that the consortium are short on funds.
the value is nothing ! they have offered much more than the club is worth , and any debts are of there own making .That doesn't make any sense. Just pay them the value. Another indication that the consortium are short on funds.
Why did you do it!Did anybody really need it to be confirmed who was giving the Observer information?
Why did you do it!
The club is worthy it's assets, plus any considered potential. It doesn't matter if SISU have put in fifty quid or £500m. If I tried to sell you a 15-year old Ford Focus saying I paid £10k for it when new, and that I'd invested another £4K on maintenance and MOT's in that time, it doesn't mean I should be asking for £14k back.
To me, the only tangible assets the club has are Ryton, the football league golden share and a minimal value in players to sell on.
I think Hoffman's was a very fair offer. Any potential for things to improve is worth nothing while with them, so offers based on potential earnings are ones they will never realise anyway.
I think it is getting there slowly and closer to what they will take.
The whole 50% of player sales and Ryton sales doesn't sound too promising for a club point of view. I'd much rather it was said they could keep Ryton and have a clean slate away from them and then start on a rebuild.
So 50% of the sale price of something you're not going to sell.From what Hoffman said, it didn't sound like he would have any intention of selling Ryton, more that SISU see it as an asset which has value, so they included that percentage to appease them.
From what Hoffman said, it didn't sound like he would have any intention of selling Ryton, more that SISU see it as an asset which has value, so they included that percentage to appease them. I'd say that 50% of player sales won't amount to much in our case, but I suppose in terms of sustaining the club then they do. Short term though I think it's worth it. There's got to be a reasonable compromise somewhere.
Have SISU ever done such a thing ?<snip> There's got to be a reasonable compromise somewhere.
So 50% of the sale price of something you're not going to sell.
My tuppenneth..
If you look at it with "I hate SISU" eyes, it seems like a good offer, because we all want them gone. If you look at it from a "will it be an incentive for them to go" perspective, it doesn't appear to be so good.
I think this game still has some distance to go yet before we get a decent ending. And even then, we don't really know how decent that might be.. The big question is how far can GH and his backers realistically go with it, and then what's left, if they succeed, to take us forward.
and thats why you shouldnt buy a season ticket .
I haven't listened back yet but fair play to him for addressing some of the detail and answering a few questions about it.
He said he wanted to remain anonymous but think being open about it will gain more support when people can see something to support.
Surely the Premier League add on and the 50% of player sales for 3 years isn't guaranteed.
Did anybody really need it to be confirmed who was giving the Observer information?
If this deal goes south I wouldn't like to cop the flack Les Reid's going to face.
Being used by Tim. The articles come across as he is certainly in the SISU camp? I'd imagine the editor will having a chat with him soon...
We're only breakeven as long as the academy keeps churning out players to sell.But that's the point, we're now 'breakeven' sisu don't have to accept anything.
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Less than 10 million? It's a strong offer. I wonder what projected revenues are? Maybe a low take up season tickets makes the offer even more attractive?I still think it needs to be looked at what could SISU get if they did a fire sale and sold every player, Ryton and every fixture and fitting and get close to that.
1.2M up front + 50% of all transfer fees over the next 3 years + money for each promotion (1M + 2M = 7M ??)
+ offer of money for Ryton (think 2M was mentioned)
Not sure all the amounts are accurately remembered
That would actually be very generous considering the way sisu have run the place into the ground - why should sisu get 50% of any transfer fees in which they have no part? Why should they get payment for any promotions?
The £1.2 m alone is generous. Their refusal to sell indicates a couple of things:
- They want to hang on to a loss-making entity to reduce tax liability elsewhere;
- They are just trying to extract the maximum from people that actually care about the club.
Will be interesting if we are back at square one with sisu still in command how many will still renew their season tickets, I would see this as an ideal moment to stick together for once and stick two fingers up to them, doesn't mean stop going just not putting advanced money in their pocket.
Because not renewing STs is the only immediate weapon the ordinary fan has. Doesn't mean not go, do go but pay match by match, technically you will be giving sisu more money in the long run but nothing in advance. Somehow sisu have to pay May, June and Julys commitments with nothing coming in.When will people grasp that buying a ST doesn't put money into SISU's pockets? But into actually running the club. To giving MR a budget to build a squad. What happens if nobody buys a ST on the hope of a takeover. Takeover doesn't happen. MR has no budget to build a squad, meaning another shit year.
Oh and if the takeover does happen, will we all be putting money into Hoffmans pockets? Or does that logic only apply to SISU? Even though there is no clear evidence that they physically take money out.
And there's no clear evidence that SISU WILL invest in the team with increased season ticket sales .When will people grasp that buying a ST doesn't put money into SISU's pockets? But into actually running the club. To giving MR a budget to build a squad. What happens if nobody buys a ST on the hope of a takeover. Takeover doesn't happen. MR has no budget to build a squad, meaning another shit year.
Oh and if the takeover does happen, will we all be putting money into Hoffmans pockets? Or does that logic only apply to SISU? Even though there is no clear evidence that they physically take money out.
I still think it needs to be looked at what could SISU get if they did a fire sale and sold every player, Ryton and every fixture and fitting and get close to that.
Control your emotions...fast.if this doesn't come off your biggest worry is a fuckin' no mark like reid? Get a grip FFS, there are bigger fish to fry.
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