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  • Start date Oct 3, 2014
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Rob S

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  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #36
Sky Blue Dal said:
HEY!!!! What you doing here?? .. Thought you were having a meeting with Joy and Co???
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We're sitting here reading SBT together of course.

[Serious reply: All done with, putting a press release together, will post here as soon as it is done.]
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #37
Most of them did actually sign thr petition.

Mixture of London clubs and even a few Leicester fans.
 
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Sky Blue Dal

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #38
Rob S said:
We're sitting here reading SBT together of course.

[Serious reply: All done with, putting a press release together, will post here as soon as it is done.]
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In that case while you there please ask them where is the new location for the Stadium will be as there should probably be no Issue with it being in Coventry. Good location would be to build on top of Primrose Park bringing us closer to our former spiritual home and When they are going to build it.

If not then ask them why the hell have they are not been forcing themselves to getting a counter bid in.

Good Luck.. you might need it.
 
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duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #39
olderskyblue said:
I imagine "don't like" doesn't come into it. The JR and threat of further legal action, along with historical dealings with them, would be reason enough to not entertain them I would have thought.

If SISU came to the table and offered to drop all the legals, and put a bid forward. That maybe a different story.
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I'm not sure it would. The council have a statutory duty to get the most for their assets, and whether SISU are involved in legal proceedings or not, if they suggested that they might like to be a party to any potential sale then it would be hard for CCC to legally justify keeping them out of it.

I'd much rather the legals were dropped, obviously, but I don't think it needs that for SISU to at least slow this down and get a seat at the table.
 

Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #40
duffer said:
The council have a statutory duty to get the most for their assets, and whether SISU are involved in legal proceedings or not, if they suggested that they might like to be a party to any potential sale then it would be hard for CCC to legally justify keeping them out of it.
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CCC may have a statutory duty to get the most for their assets, but as far as we know, only 1 company has made a bid for ACL.
Hopefully SISU will realise that they are now in the last chance saloon (regarding acquiring ACL), that their bluffs and threats are now pointless, and will play fair and square for once, by paying up the going rate.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #41
Danceswithhorses said:
CCC may have a statutory duty to get the most for their assets, but as far as we know, only 1 company has made a bid for ACL.
Hopefully SISU will realise that they are now in the last chance saloon (regarding acquiring ACL), that their bluffs and threats are now pointless, and will play fair and square for once, by paying up the going rate.
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Never thought I'd live to the day whereby I'd hear 'Sisu' and 'playing fair and square' in the same sentence.
 

mrtrench

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  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #42
I see no reason why Wasps wouldn't agree to let the Ricoh to CCFC and ground share.
 

mrtrench

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #43
Maybe SISU could buy the Coundon Rd ground - assuming it is still there?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #44
Problem is... what if the deal isn't 'fair' but is overvalued, and Wasps go pop as a result 3-4 years down the line?

Are we suggesting that SISU should match a deal that isn't right for the club?

Are we seriously suggesting a council should succumb to market forces in entirity?

For if so, doesn't that just give a mandate for SISU to sue, sue and sue again... as it's all just business, right?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #45
Deleted member 5849 said:
Problem is... what if the deal isn't 'fair' but is overvalued, and Wasps go pop as a result 3-4 years down the line?

Are we suggesting that SISU should match a deal that isn't right for the club?

Are we seriously suggesting a council should succumb to market forces in entirity?

For if so, doesn't that just give a mandate for SISU to sue, sue and sue again... as it's all just business, right?
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But they have, Still are and will be well Into the future ...................Won't they ??
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #46
wingy said:
But they have, Still are and will be well Into the future ...................Won't they ??
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And as it's just business, why wouldn't they?

You swim with the sharks...
 

Otis

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  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #47
mrtrench said:
Maybe SISU could buy the Coundon Rd ground - assuming it is still there?
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You'd have to knock down a complete housing estate if you wanted to build there.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #48
Otis said:
You'd have to knock down a complete housing estate if you wanted to build there.
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We probably will if Glasgow Rangers come a-knocking.
 

bezzer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #49
Has anyone seen Les Reid's recent tweets?

They read -

Is Ricoh sale to "Wasps Consortium" (who are they?) another secret agenda likely to fail?

I'm told Ray Ranson & ex CCFC people may be in on a club/Ricoh takeover plot. Still hard to see why SISU would sell.

I'm also told some councillors complain they had no detail of Wasps deal ahead of party meetings on Mon and Tues vote.
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Sorry if posted on one of the other Wasps threads.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #50
Far too many people on these boards simply will not place an ounce of blame on either the council or acl , ever since we moved to the ricoh , they have also proved , though maybe not as bad as other parties like sisu , that they also do not give a fucking shit about coventry city fc or the city of coventry. Business wise its the right deal for the council and acl , morally its absolutely disgusting and some of our supporters are welcoming this and are willing to see a clubs supporters get shafted (wasps) just because it makes business sense .
disgusting
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #51
CraigSBA said:
Far too many people on these boards simply will not place an ounce of blame on either the council or acl , ever since we moved to the ricoh , they have also proved , though maybe not as bad as other parties like sisu , that they also do not give a fucking shit about coventry city fc or the city of coventry. Business wise its the right deal for the council and acl , morally its absolutely disgusting and some of our supporters are welcoming this and are willing to see a clubs supporters get shafted (wasps) just because it makes business sense .
disgusting
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I can certainly see why CCC, ACL and anyone else involved would be happy to get shot of the Ricoh and all the associated hassle. Equally I do not agree with franchising and would not want to see another team, of any sport, moved her against their wishes so in many ways we're looking at two different issues.

The big problem is if the Ricoh is up for sale, and the council at least while Lucas has been in charge have always said they would listen to any offer, we need SISU to put in a bid and buy the bloody thing but they seem hellbent on not backtracking from the 'we're building a new ground' mantra.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #52
chiefdave said:
I can certainly see why CCC, ACL and anyone else involved would be happy to get shot of the Ricoh and all the associated hassle. Equally I do not agree with franchising and would not want to see another team, of any sport, moved her against their wishes so in many ways we're looking at two different issues.

The big problem is if the Ricoh is up for sale, and the council at least while Lucas has been in charge have always said they would listen to any offer, we need SISU to put in a bid and buy the bloody thing but they seem hellbent on not backtracking from the 'we're building a new ground' mantra.
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Im just very unhappy about the way supporters have been treated over recent years , im absolutely fed up of coming on here , going on social media , talking to friends etc , and never EVER having anything positive to talk about in regards to ccfc , throughout the last 20 years we have been fleeced by cRooked owners , tossed out to the wolves and left to dry by every single person involved with the club , and its us that are supposed to go up and play happly clappy supporters whilst nobody absolutely nobody gives the tiniest fuck about us off the field .
 
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letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #53
That would be nice but unfortunately we are in he real world.
Deleted member 5849 said:
Support the heritage and culture in its city?

Build a society rather than a bank balance?
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italiahorse

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  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #54
Colin1883 said:
If ACL CCC sell the Ricoh... Would that allow sisu to build a stadium in Coventry?
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No, they need to negotiate a long term deal with ACL/? including all football related incomes.
Or, they need to make the same offer as Wasps
A new stadium would kill the club.
 

skyblueinBaku

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #55
Otis said:
Never thought I'd live to the day whereby I'd hear 'Sisu' and 'playing fair and square' in the same sentence.
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Otis, it's easy - you just insert the word 'not' or 'never'.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #56
Why would it? Did it kill Rotherham? Or Brighton? Or Derby?

If this does happen then I guess CCC would not now have any objection for us to build within the City if we could find the land.
italiahorse said:
A new stadium would kill the club.
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Monners

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #57
torchomatic said:
Why would it? Did it kill Rotherham? Or Brighton? Or Derby?

If this does happen then I guess CCC would not now have any objection for us to build within the City if we could find the land.
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Can't compare with these Clubs Torch. Derby: Baseball ground not fit for purpose, and no chance of redevelopment (also sat in the floodplain), Rotherham: moving back to a new ground in the town from playing in Sheffield, Brighton: New ground backed by Central Govt after years of borrowed ground and groundshare.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #58
torchomatic said:
Why would it? Did it kill Rotherham? Or Brighton? Or Derby?

If this does happen then I guess CCC would not now have any objection for us to build within the City if we could find the land.
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Your memory fails you Torch, it's the club not CCC who have an issue building in Cov. The club have never even considered it (according to them) CCC not only have said they're not against it but legally couldn't be.

In all this noise, I still have the question as to why Sisu haven't approached the council.

And in a slightly mischevious way, a question as to where all this fuss was when Blaze moved to Cov? Sudden attacks of principles make me suspicious.

At the end of the day, if CCFC don't want it, the council should get another tenant in. If Wasps fans don't want it then I hope it's blocked (I've signed their petition), but something tells me this shitstorm will rear its head whoever the new tenant will be.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #59
shmmeee said:
a question as to where all this fuss was when Blaze moved to Cov?
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I believe I have also argued against their very existence too
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #60
Deleted member 5849 said:
I believe I have also argued against their very existence too
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Be be fair, I had no idea they weren't from Coventry. I hope they get relegated the franchise cheats


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #61
Deleted member 5849 said:
I believe I have also argued against their very existence too
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You dont count. Are you still on the Marlon King boycott or are you attending now?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #62
Yes, it probably is. However much I want the Club to get the Ricoh I don't think it will "kill" the Club is we did by some miracle build our own stadium within the City boundaries.

shmmeee said:
Your memory fails you Torch, it's the club not CCC who have an issue building in Cov. The club have never even considered it (according to them) CCC not only have said they're not against it but legally couldn't be.

In all this noise, I still have the question as to why Sisu haven't approached the council.

And in a slightly mischevious way, a question as to where all this fuss was when Blaze moved to Cov? Sudden attacks of principles make me suspicious.

At the end of the day, if CCFC don't want it, the council should get another tenant in. If Wasps fans don't want it then I hope it's blocked (I've signed their petition), but something tells me this shitstorm will rear its head whoever the new tenant will be.
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #63
shmmeee said:
You dont count. Are you still on the Marlon King boycott or are you attending now?
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Went to the first three - figured they needed time off/a reward for good behaviour.

Was never going to go to all of them though, and current performances/politicking not exactly whetting my appetite to go again... especially as bleak employment prospects means the freelancing might need to ramp up just in case!
 

skybluefred

New Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #64
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
To be fair Rob S, the info. in the post above is pretty much a re-hash of the CT article from yesterday or the day before.....nothing new or revealing in the content whatsoever....

...so if he is a plant....he needs better material.
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John Innes compost should do the job.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #65
shmmeee said:
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And in a slightly mischevious way, a question as to where all this fuss was when Blaze moved to Cov? Sudden attacks of principles make me suspicious.
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Questioned the support of franchise clubs like Solihull Blaze moved to Coventry to the Trusts very own CJCovblaze many a time.

Some have questioned the hypocrisy of taking huge numbers to MK Dons to support a franchise outfit.

Many didn't think it mattered.

Sudden changes of principle make me suspicious.
 

Mr T - Sukka!

Active Member
  • Oct 3, 2014
  • #66
All the council have to do is offer SISU the chance to match or better the Wasps offer and bingo!

Make this public and all the PR companies in the world could not hide the fact the council have been fair to all parties.

By doing this would effectivley force SISU to bid and cough up money. Or look like the bad guys.

SISU would be in the councils pocket.
 

Rusty Trombone

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  • Oct 4, 2014
  • #67
Mr T - Sukka! said:
All the council have to do is offer SISU the chance to match or better the Wasps offer and bingo!

Make this public and all the PR companies in the world could not hide the fact the council have been fair to all parties.

By doing this would effectivley force SISU to bid and cough up money. Or look like the bad guys.

SISU would be in the councils pocket.
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The Council can't stop SISU putting an offer in, but the Compass contract is too confusing for Joy so she wants a new ground instead.
 
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quinn1971

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2014
  • #68
so now we really see both sides true colours, neither SISU or acl/ccc care about the club or the fans, unforgivable SISU moving us to northampton, and unforgivable what acl/ccc are about to let happen to the ricoh, before anybody accuses me of taking sides I'm not, but when SISU do something everyone's up in arms, the ricohs about to be sold to a rugby club and there's nothing, all the crap we went through to get us back to the Ricoh and now wer'e going to be playing in a ground owned by a rugby club franchise playing in front of 10,000 crowds, if there was a time to stand together and do something about this it's now, there's no sixfields divide now so no excuse, this time maybe the WHY signs should be aimed at the council. 92 league clubs and ours is the one that's being ripped apart, never dull is it ?
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2014
  • #69
Monners said:
Can't compare with these Clubs Torch. Derby: Baseball ground not fit for purpose, and no chance of redevelopment (also sat in the floodplain), Rotherham: moving back to a new ground in the town from playing in Sheffield, Brighton: New ground backed by Central Govt after years of borrowed ground and groundshare.
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Rotherham decided to build a new ground after they couldn't agree on a rent with the owners ofthier old ground.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Oct 4, 2014
  • #70
quinn1971 said:
so now we really see both sides true colours, neither SISU or acl/ccc care about the club or the fans, unforgivable SISU moving us to northampton, and unforgivable what acl/ccc are about to let happen to the ricoh, before anybody accuses me of taking sides I'm not, but when SISU do something everyone's up in arms, the ricohs about to be sold to a rugby club and there's nothing, all the crap we went through to get us back to the Ricoh and now wer'e going to be playing in a ground owned by a rugby club franchise playing in front of 10,000 crowds, if there was a time to stand together and do something about this it's now, there's no sixfields divide now so no excuse, this time maybe the WHY signs should be aimed at the council. 92 league clubs and ours is the one that's being ripped apart, never dull is it ?
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But IF SISU have told ACL/CCC that they are not interested in buying it, then ACL/CCC would be idiots not to consider other offers. By 2017 the Council's budget is due to halve, so they won't want a potential financial burden on their hands (I know it's supposed to be able to generate a profit - but maintenance costs will increase year on year, and the loss of CCFC will hurt). This shouldn't be a shock - but you would have hoped that CCFC could have cobbled together an acceptable purchase offer to secure our future at the Ricoh. I think we're all baffled by what our future will be.
 
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