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  • Thread starter Kingokings204
  • Start date Aug 12, 2016
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Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #106
dongonzalos said:
You are right he forked out 10 million for it
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Shame we will never own the stadium we spent £50m to build now a London rugby club owns it
 

Nick

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #107
dongonzalos said:
You are right he forked out 10 million for it
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Less than half we got offered the rights to our own match day revenue..
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #108
Liquid Gold said:
Shame we will never own the stadium we spent £50m to build now a London rugby club owns it
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I know they bought it, for nearly 6 million and took on responsibility for a 14 million loan.
20 million.
Pretty good business, however not according to us, a deal we would not have done.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #109
dongonzalos said:
I know they bought it, for nearly 6 million and took on responsibility for a 14 million loan.
Pretty good business, however not according to us, a deal we would not have done.
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Wrong it's £6 million and there was no discharge of the loan in the purchase consideration. OSB has already explained this many times.

Why you ignore an expert like him is very odd. Almost like you have an agenda to peddle.

It's also worth noting the only deals the club were offered have been;

£24 million for f and b rights

£6 million for the Higgs share of ACL complete with all associated costs

On the first point though your statement as proved is factually innacurate - the payment was £6 million and that's the shareholder value at the time.

I'm sure you must remember. I'm sure you bragged at the time that the continuation of the loan by the council actually gave rewards to the tax payer in terms of interest income.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #110
Nick said:
Less than half we got offered the rights to our own match day revenue..
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Didn't we have half of ACL agreed for 5.5 million, but then said 2 million if it's a cash up front payment?
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #111
dongonzalos said:
I know they bought it, for nearly 6 million and took on responsibility for a 14 million loan.
20 million.
Pretty good business, however not according to us, a deal we would not have done.
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you sounds pleased by their business?
 

Nick

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #112
dongonzalos said:
Didn't we have half of ACL agreed for 5.5 million, but then said 2 million if it's a cash up front payment?
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The one the councillors were saying was over priced?

Just goes to show why people will buy other clubs before us
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #113
Grendel said:
Wrong it's £6 million and there was no discharge of the loan in the purchase consideration. OSB has already explained this many times.

Why you ignore an expert like him is very odd. Almost like you have an agenda to peddle.

It's also worth noting the only deals the club were offered have been;

£24 million for f and b rights

£6 million for the Higgs share of ACL complete with all associated costs

On the first point though your statement as proved is factually immaculate - the payment was £6 million and that's the shareholder value at the time.

I'm sure you must remember. I'm sure you bragged at the time that the continuation of the loan by the council actually gave rewards to the tax payer in terms of interest income.
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Who is paying the loan off?
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #114
Liquid Gold said:
you sounds pleased by their business?
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Wish it was us
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #115
dongonzalos said:
Wish it was us
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Never will be us now and you're happy a deal was done at that price to a London club
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #116
nah not happy
Wish our owners chose to buy instead of devalue.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #117
dongonzalos said:
Who is paying the loan off?
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A bond is paying it off.

The shareholder value was £6 million. You are just wrong and that's it I'm afraid. You may not understand it but that's your problem not mine.

The purchase was £6 million and the council had the loan. If you have a house worth £100,000 and it's got an £80,000 mortgage and you pay it off it's worth £100,000

You confuse costs with value and sorry you are just wrong and anyone with any business knowledge will say that.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #118
Grendel said:
A bond is paying it off.

The shareholder value was £6 million. You are just wrong and that's it I'm afraid. You may not understand it but that's your problem not mine.

The purchase was £6 million and the council had the loan. If you have a house worth £100,000 and it's got an £80,000 mortgage and you pay it off it's worth £100,000

You confuse costs with value and sorry you are just wrong and anyone with any business knowledge will say that.
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You can spin it anyway you want.
To get ACL the price was just under 6 million and take responsibility for the loan.
Taking responsibility for that loan was one of the things SISU said they would not do.
How Wasps raised the cash is irrelevant
The council got paid and the loan was paid off.
Would the council have sol ACL for just under 6 million and wrote the loan off?
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #119
dongonzalos said:
To get ACL the price was just under 6 million and take responsibility for the loan.
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That's where you're going wrong. Nobody took responsibility for the loan. ACL owed the money when they were owned by CCC and Higgs and ACL still owed the money when they were taken over by Wasps.
The fact that Wasps have chosen to refinance via the bond, and in the process increase the level of debt, doesn't come into it.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #120
chiefdave said:
That's where you're going wrong. Nobody took responsibility for the loan. ACL owed the money when they were owned by CCC and Higgs and ACL still owed the money when they were taken over by Wasps.
The fact that Wasps have chosen to refinance via the bond, and in the process increase the level of debt, doesn't come into it.
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They loan getting paid off doesn't come into it?
 

ccfcway

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #121
here we go again. This isn't a thread about transfers..
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #122
chiefdave said:
That's where you're going wrong. Nobody took responsibility for the loan. ACL owed the money when they were owned by CCC and Higgs and ACL still owed the money when they were taken over by Wasps.
The fact that Wasps have chosen to refinance via the bond, and in the process increase the level of debt, doesn't come into it.
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Furthermore the bond issue covered both the loan amount and the amount that ACL was purchased for.

You could easily argue that Wasps investment level is zero pretty much.

Perhaps all the people lauding up their business acumen would also be happy to donate to a crowdfunding project to buy CCFC and build a stadium...

Something tells me the enthusiasm might not be as prevalent.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #123
ccfcway said:
here we go again. This isn't a thread about transfers..
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Apologies I simply asked where are Gillingham getting their cash from fit their dealings.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #124
Ian1779 said:
Furthermore the bond issue covered both the loan amount and the amount that ACL was purchased for.

You could easily argue that Wasps investment level is zero pretty much.

Perhaps all the people lauding up their business acumen would also be happy to donate to a crowdfunding project to buy CCFC and build a stadium...

Something tells me the enthusiasm might not be as prevalent.
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Great idea, would prefer someone else to run though.
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #125
dongonzalos said:
Great idea, would prefer someone else to run though.
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Me too - as long as the someone else is not Wasps, Hoffman or Elliott.

Dhinsa is fine by me - does a blinding free breakfast!!
 
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Gazolba

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  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #126
Need a moderator to delete all posts not related to Friday transfers.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 12, 2016
  • #127
I will lock it I think, as Friday is over! On my phone so can't clean it up

Just making way for a Monday Transfer thread.
 
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