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I don't want us to be that with any manager either, it's cringeworthy.
I don't want us to be that with any manager either, it's cringeworthy.I think that is inevitable and a bit of a loss of identity as far as I'm concerned. People took the piss because of "Rooney's Rams" and "Wayne Rooney's Birmingham City" on here and in the wider football community and it will now happen to us.
Some of those that laughed at Derby and Blues will no doubt claim it as some positive regarding "profile".
Hate the extreme positions at times. You’re not a Facebook conspiracy theorist for not liking it or a Doug King shill if you do like it.
Guys it’s forum, we discuss views and often have ridiculous takes on all sides but at the end of the day we all support this club and want what’s best for it.
I do think some are over the top as I don’t see much difference between Frank and Ruud but without them this place just wouldn’t be the same xDSome of the meltdowns on here though Goblin just because the club "allegedly" isn't getting RVN are OTT.
Sky blue talk civil war right hereGet the splinters out your arse you fence sitter!
I wish it would be!
All the speculation and rumour is helping no one.
tDean Austin worked with Frank Lampard Sr, Redknapp has been hawking Lampard around and got him the Derby job, King has said he is advised by people in football, ITKs on both sides have said it’s the case.
It’s speculation but it’s the most likely answer as to what’s happened. My question is if we are being advised by someone trying to get his nephew a job how much did that impact the decision to fire Robins?
Yeah I get that, think it’s just pragmatism that it was in the end rumoured between them.FFS it wasn’t Ruud vs Frank. There are thousands of coaches out there. We didn’t have to have an owner that thinks he understands football and is attracted to big names.
Based on the fact that because Rooney went in at Blues it's going to happen to us or do you have something more substantial to suggest otherwise Torch?I think that is inevitable and a bit of a loss of identity as far as I'm concerned. People took the piss because of "Rooney's Rams" and "Wayne Rooney's Birmingham City" on here and in the wider football community and it will now happen to us.
Some of those that laughed at Derby and Blues will no doubt claim it as some positive regarding "profile".
Yeah I get that, think it’s just pragmatism that it was in the end rumoured between them.
Would of loved Ruben Selles or Skubala
I don't care what you think of Lampard, i think its a fairly mediocre appointment but will judge him entirely on what he does with us. If he has us playing as Robins has for quite some time now, he can get in the bin too.. if we don't improve at all then we could be heading for league 1 lets be honest so lets hope he's at least 'ok'.Im not angry. Im disappointed.
Appointing Lampard suggests a lot of worrying things about our owner, not least that he’s advised by Harry fucking Redknapp. I think we’ve fucked it and I think you’d dug into robins out so much you’d have the Andy Thorn scarf out now if he was appointed.
We have the fundamentals of a PO team, we have good form against good teams in recent matches, that’s the base any new manager is starting from.
I’ll judge Lampard at the end of the season if it’s him but I don’t see a top half finish under him as likely and a complete melt down of the changing room attitude a distinct possibility as well as frittering of all our remaining transfer kitty as a distinct possibility.
Based on the fact that because Rooney went in at Blues it's going to happen to us or do you have something more substantial to suggest otherwise Torch?
Posts like this are scaremongering and there's nothing behind them to suggest it's even remotely close, in the case of Lampard.
Actually when you look at Lampard there is no history of him going into a club and getting them immediately relegated. He even kept Everton up in his experience of a relegation battle and wasn't able to sign any of his own players at that point.
I don't care what you think of Lampard, i think its a fairly mediocre appointment but will judge him entirely on what he does with us. If he has us playing as Robins has for quite some time now, he can get in the bin too.. if we don't improve at all then we could be heading for league 1 lets be honest so lets hope he's at least 'ok'.
The notion that Robins was sacked because Lampard was lurking in the background like some sort of reaper is what is total nonsense.
Don’t know about the derby behind the scenes.TBH both have spotty records and rumours of being a bit shit behind the scenes. RvN for me is a bigger name with a better most recent record. But both would have been massive gambles compared to an up and coming tactician. Both will expect money to be spent. The things I’ve read about the Derby dressing room under Lampard and the state he left the clubs finances in really worry me.
Robins was sacked on 14 games of it not working according to Doug. All I’m saying is if he’s going to Redknapp for advice on whether to stick or twist Redknapp isn’t giving completely independent advice. And that’s not just cos family that’s cos Redknapp and he’s got a long history of promoting Lampard since he was a kid.
Kai Yearns, Aiden Daustch and Kai AndrewsAre there any of the u21’s or academy lads we could see Lampard using?
Don’t know about the derby behind the scenes.
I know someone whose son was in the derby academy at the time and he was well liked behind the scenes at least by the young lads.
On the money front from what I can see they spent 14 million after selling 14.5 million. Don think Mel Morris should get away from the blame.
On Ruud, the benefit is the coaching work he’s done behind the scenes but both play decent football and have a knack for developing players.
And the end to last season... and probably the start of last season was playing on his mind after it all too. Robins had shown, since spending a large wedge of money, that he is capable of going on long runs of extremely poor form. You don't get where you want by doing that. King had lost confidence in him and decided that you can't simply rely on 'we've turned it around before'. It was becoming unacceptable and was inevitable he'd pay the price.Robins was sacked on 14 games of it not working according to Doug.
You referred to Rooney, people take the piss out of Rooney because he took Birmingham down. Although I assume you knew that.And who said anything about him immediately relegating us? How did you make that assumption?
Loss of identityI think that is inevitable and a bit of a loss of identity as far as I'm concerned. People took the piss because of "Rooney's Rams" and "Wayne Rooney's Birmingham City" on here and in the wider football community and it will now happen to us.
Some of those that laughed at Derby and Blues will no doubt claim it as some positive regarding "profile".
You referred to Rooney, people take the piss out of Rooney because he took Birmingham down. Although I assume you knew that.
I’ll ask my friend about the Derby behind the scenes and see what I can find but I’d be careful listening to Derby Fans considering how annoyed there where that he left when he did.Apparently brought in a lads culture. Lots of drinking, not a lot of discipline. Went into Chelsea with players who couldn’t be arsed and just moaned about them not being arsed rather than you know making them arsed. All suggests someone who can’t get more than the sum of their parts and relies on being mates with players because he’s Frankie Lampard.
Spent £6m on Waghorn, £5m on a player who went straight to L1, loaned in Mount as a cheat code player. Was apparently the start of the slide that saw Derby go broke. Completely fucked the play off final tactically apparently. Derby fans say no they knew from the team sheet and it was so bad there was questions of him throwing the final. No discernible style, just reliant on magic moments from player above the level. As many terrible results as brilliant ones.
I spent about five hours consuming Lampard as a manager content from him and fans and the impression I got was not good at all. His tactics video shows a lower level of tactical understanding than me and I’m a dumbass.
I guess the only question now is who will the manager when Lampard is sacked?
Maybe Rooney will be available by then
And the end to last season... and probably the start of last season was playing on his mind after it all too. Robins had shown, since spending a large wedge of money, that he is capable of going on long runs of extremely poor form. You don't get where you want by doing that. King had lost confidence in him and decided that you can't simply rely on 'we've turned it around before'. It was becoming unacceptable and was inevitable he'd pay the price.
Who he now picks is a completely separate issue. As i said there are others i'd prefer but i'll back Lamps and feel he could do ok.
I’ll ask my friend about the Derby behind the scenes and see what I can find but I’d be careful listening to Derby Fans considering how annoyed there where that he left when he did.
On the lads culture I can’t find much, I know about Keogh but that happened after he left so hard to tell if it was due to him or the next guy. Plus let’s be honest, people do develop he admitted he wasent good enough for the second spell of Chelsea. I’d assume lessons were learned based on his comments on the overlap.
Will look into tactics but always thought he spoke decently but truthfully haven’t looked too hard.
He also mentioned out home form going back to last season did he not?No not the end of last season. Viveash went in the summer and Doug sacked Robins because the new setup (which was 14 games old) wasn’t working.
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