skybluecam
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Abraham, James, Hudson-Odoi, Christensen etc.
Your arguments on this are weird. Of course Lampard won't look good when you discount half the players for some random arbitrary reasons.
Abraham, James, Hudson-Odoi, Christensen etc.You’ve named a bunch of first team players. They aren’t waiting to get a chance like the Chelsea kids. Mason Mount was a top prospect before he ever met Frank Lampard, comparing him to Vik who by all accounts was heading away from top level football and turned it around here is silly.
What players have improved as a result of working with Lampard as a coach, not wonderkids who got given a chance from a loan or a transfer embargo.
There is no guarantee any of those loan players would have turned out as well as they did. Are you suggesting that Russell Slade for example would have achieved the same results? While i get it you dont like Lampard, to say he had no involvement in their success that year and it was purely down to having good players is far fetchedYou’ve named a bunch of first team players. They aren’t waiting to get a chance like the Chelsea kids. Mason Mount was a top prospect before he ever met Frank Lampard, comparing him to Vik who by all accounts was heading away from top level football and turned it around here is silly.
What players have improved as a result of working with Lampard as a coach, not wonderkids who got given a chance from a loan or a transfer embargo.
There is no guarantee any of those loan players would have turned out as well as they did. Are you suggesting that Russell Slade for example would have achieved the same results? While i get it you dont like Lampard, to say he had no involvement in their success that year and it was purely down to having good players is far fetched
Abraham, James, Hudson-Odoi, Christensen etc.
Your arguments on this are weird. Of course Lampard won't look good when you discount half the players for some random arbitrary reasons.
Well you seem to imply that making the play offs in the season he was Derby was nothing to do with Lampard. In his first stint at chelsea you probably make the same assumption tooWho’s success which year?
Well you seem to imply that making the play offs in the season he was Derby was nothing to do with Lampard. In his first stint at chelsea you probably make the same assumption too
Who says our players are only lower championship potential?Yes they all got a chance (though not a key part of the squad as I showed earlier), because the club was under a transfer embargo. But that’s the extent of a first team managers influence on a young player unless there’s evidence of a shift in their potential while working under him. These were England U21 stars you’re talking about. CCFC do not have a bunch of elite young players sat waiting about for a first team chance. The players you’ve named don’t need what Lampard have the Chelsea players, they need a coach who will change their potential from currently lower Champ to something better.
Where's that from?
The same people bigging up the Chelsea and Derby seasons (I think they are about par for what you'd expect given the talent at his disposal) are absolving him of any responsibility for his last two appointments that were complete failures.Ah Derby. Chelsea I’ve not paid too much attention to. He got a top three club a top four finish. It’s meh and he was working under very specific circumstances which wouldn’t apply here (transfer embargo and a stockpile of the world’s greatest youth talent).
Derby everything I’ve seen says he brought in a handful of extremely talented youth players and failed to make much of them. I don’t think he has the connections he had or Chelsea have the talent they had for lightning to strike twice and I don’t think you hire a head coach for their transfer contacts.
For the things we are hiring him for: motivation, tactics, being able to get more from a squad, developing players, wise spending of limited funds, there’s either little evidence Lampard is suitable or evidence he’s actively unsuitable.
Where's that from?
Well why don't you give him the benefit of the doubt and if he does fuck it up then you can laud it for all it's worth on this here forum in fact I'll happy meet up with you and pay homage to you.Ah Derby. Chelsea I’ve not paid too much attention to. He got a top three club a top four finish. It’s meh and he was working under very specific circumstances which wouldn’t apply here (transfer embargo and a stockpile of the world’s greatest youth talent).
Derby everything I’ve seen says he brought in a handful of extremely talented youth players and failed to make much of them. I don’t think he has the connections he had or Chelsea have the talent they had for lightning to strike twice and I don’t think you hire a head coach for their transfer contacts.
For the things we are hiring him for: motivation, tactics, being able to get more from a squad, developing players, wise spending of limited funds, there’s either little evidence Lampard is suitable or evidence he’s actively unsuitable.
Well why don't you give him the benefit of the doubt and if he does fuck it up then you can laud it for all it's worth on this here forum in fact I'll happy meet up with you and pay homage to you.
They’re only considered a ‘conveyor belt of top young talent’ because they’ve realised a lot of their potential. There is no shortage of ‘top talent’ that came to the Championship with high hopes to only flop.Of course he has some credit. I'm just saying that he's been fortunate to have bad a conveyor belt of top young talent, that have been good enough to be given a chance.
Is it robin's fault that Andrews isn't at the level yet or Ryan Howley who can't even start at a Scottish div 2 side? They have to come to you good enough and with the right attributes. He's had elite kids, all top internationals at their age group.
I'd rather we hadn't dispensed with Robins' services but alas we have shmmeee and we've got to move forward.I’d rather we just didn’t hire him.
I'd rather we hadn't dispensed with Robins' services but alas we have shmmeee and we've got to move forward.
Btw, I'm not that bad, I can be fun, honest.
shmmeee is our new manager!I'd rather we hadn't dispensed with Robins' services but alas we have shmmeee and we've got to move forward.
Btw, I'm not that bad, I can be fun, honest.
Hoorah.shmmeee is our new manager!
Where's that from?
It's not just kids, it's players we've got that are not reaching their potential. Simms for example is still a pretty inexperienced player.Again. What kids are waiting in the wings for us for a manager to give them a chance? It’s just not relevant to us as a club to have a manager who gives youth a chance. And that’s all a first team manager does to “develop youth”, the majority is done by the coaches in the academy and the kids talent and application. As stu says the number that come through generally are a product of that.
I increasingly suspect that you're not keen on Frank.Well that too. But having done that it would be nice to know the people left at the club aren’t the sort to get hypnotised by Frank Lampard.
You are very repetitive and boring now - anything to put down Lampard in any way possible . Ruling out Mount as a player he developed is bloody ridiculous. Mount was A PROSPECT , not a top prospect , get your facts right. Either my Chelsea season ticket holding son is correct about this or you the impartial one with little Chelsea knowledge is. Time for you to stop this vitriolic nonsense and get behind the team and the manager. He will stand or fall by what he does hereYou’ve named a bunch of first team players. They aren’t waiting to get a chance like the Chelsea kids. Mason Mount was a top prospect before he ever met Frank Lampard, comparing him to Vik who by all accounts was heading away from top level football and turned it around here is silly.
What players have improved as a result of working with Lampard as a coach, not wonderkids who got given a chance from a loan or a transfer embargo.
Did you say limpet ?Lads he's a trumpet, don't give him the attention he clearly lacks.
You are very repetitive and boring now - anything to put down Lampard in any way possible . Ruling out Mount as a player he developed is bloody ridiculous. Mount was A PROSPECT , not a top prospect , get your facts right. Either my Chelsea season ticket holding son is correct about this or you the impartial one with little Chelsea knowledge is. Time for you to stop this vitriolic nonsense and get behind the team and the manager. He will stand or fall by what he does here
I reckon we will be looking for a new manager before the start of next season
I reckon we will be looking for a new manager before the start of next season
Can we stop saying “he got a top 3 side to 4th” as if it’s some major downfall.
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