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  • Start date Jun 26, 2015
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lifeskyblue

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #176
tisza said:
Schengen countries seem to disagree. Nothing to stop anyone arriving in Portugal for example and driving anywhere else without having documents checked.
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I think schengen will be dead in the water soon. Populations across Europe will demand some controls


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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #177
Frenchman arrested at Gatwick airport with what appears to be a gun
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #178
FA have announced game against France will go ahead:

http://www.thefa.com/news/england/2015/nov/international-match-france-wembley-paris-attacks
 

James Smith

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #179
Jack Griffin said:
Are you sure, this is a symptom of the disease, (cuntish ISIS claim today).

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The problem is what people do or claim to do in the name of their religion, as we saw last night. Don't like people who try and convert you to their beliefs. My God is Football but I won't try and convert (no pun intended) rugby fans to support it.
 
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James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #180
Johnnythespider said:
Sorry disagree, raising children to believe in a made up omnipresent being is wrong. They should be told this at the same time they are told Santa isn't real, sorry if that's spoiled Christmas for some of you. I understand it is a minority who use religion to spread there own particular brand of hate but all armies are told that God is on their side before going into battle. For me children should be protected from religion until they are old enough to make up their own mind what to believe, they are far too innocent to take in the complex issues involved and far too easy to fill with a sense that their God is the only God.
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That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, I won't try and change it.
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #181
Nick said:
Surely it is common sense that countries need to know who is entering the country anyway?
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But they don't any more and there are many entries that are unrecorded. Do you know what I think I may have changed my mind on ID cards now.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #182
martcov said:
The refugees have to undergo an arduous, expensive and risky trek. I doubt whether top terrorists, or even simple but determined tossers, would bother with all that. They will already have passports, ID cards and either be resident in the EU or fly to Europe. Closing the borders won't make the slightest difference to the amount of terrorism, but would satisfy the basic racism of some people. It may even disconnect us from decent people in the M.E. who would otherwise look up to our society.
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looks like at least one of them came in as a "refugee" through Greece.
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #183
NATHAN Retweeted Yannis Koutsomitis ‏@YanniKouts 1 hour ago

#Greece PublicOrderMin Toskas confirms Paris attacker w Syrian passport was registered as refugee on Leros island in Oct. /via @AntennaNews
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Updated, 19hrs later

Jon Snow ‏@jonsnowC4 4 hours ago

Paris police sources say the 2 Syrian passports found on the terrorists were fakes probably made in Turkey
3,589 retweets 1,033 likes
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #184
Covstu said:
Agree but I wonder how the public view will change if there is an Equivalent attack on British soil again, I think it would be chaos
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If there's another attack on British soil, we'll do what we've always done:



Anything else just isn't British.
 

ccfc92

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #185
chiefdave said:
FA have announced game against France will go ahead:

http://www.thefa.com/news/england/2015/nov/international-match-france-wembley-paris-attacks
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In some ways, this is very good news.

A massive middle finger to those who are trying to make us live in fear.

Keep Calm and Carry On.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #186
tisza said:
looks like at least one of them came in as a "refugee" through Greece.
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Yes, he had a passport and was registered. Why didn't it set alarm bells ringing? Checked and not seen as dangerous. So much to border controls. Surprised he didn't fly in - or maybe getting a visa would have been a problem. So we are now going to blame it on refugees? We have getting on for a million crossing the borders this year.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #187
martcov said:
Yes, he had a passport and was registered. Why didn't it set alarm bells ringing? Checked and not seen as dangerous. So much to border controls. Surprised he didn't fly in - or maybe getting a visa would have been a problem. So we are now going to blame it on refugees? We have getting on for a million crossing the borders this year.
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Nobody is saying it's every refugee are they? Just that checks need to be much tighter.

People said at the time that isis would be taking advantage of the situation.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #188
Just seen some footage on the news, it's like something off call of duty
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #189
Bloke had a ticket to the match too, could have been even worse
 

Otis

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #190
James Smith said:
There is nothing wrong with religion as it stands what is wrong is the persecution and violence against those who have different religious beliefs.
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Pretty much every religion clearly states that if you are a non-believer (so not just someone who doesn't believe in God, but in their own particular god) you are going to burn in hell.

Most Christians are a lot more fluffy with their wording of course (it's more religion lite on the whole), but if you don't accept Jesus as your saviour you will burn in the pits of hell for eternity. There is only one God. You follow any other god and therefore a false prophet, you are going to hell.

Muslims will say Christians are going to burn in hell and Christians will say Muslims will burn in hell.

Nothing worng with religion? Creeds that dictate that if you are homosexual you are an abomination?

Having faith as an individual is fine, but it is organsied religion where it all goes horribly wrong and people put faith in the letter of the 'law' from books that were written a thousand years ago and more.

Religion has an awful lot to answer for.

My next door neighbours are Christian and they are lovely, but I know deep down that they believe me and my wife and my 11 year old daughter are all going to hell.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #191
"Having faith as an individual is fine, but it is organsied religion where it all goes horribly wrong and people put faith in the letter of the 'law' from books that were written a thousand years ago and more."

Hit the nail on the head - particularly as all these texts were written by people anyway.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #192
tisza said:
"Having faith as an individual is fine, but it is organsied religion where it all goes horribly wrong and people put faith in the letter of the 'law' from books that were written a thousand years ago and more."

Hit the nail on the head - particularly as all these texts were written by people anyway.
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And more to the point, men! Religion has had women downtrodden for centuries and we still have the horrendous situation in the 21st century that in some pockets of civilisation, women are still denied an education or any chance to truly think for themselves.
 

lifeskyblue

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #193
Does anyone really believe an omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent God wants cowards to kill innocent people in his/her name?
Only an insecure, uncertain and weak being would call on humans to act in this way.
I'm 57 and for 48 of those years I've been an atheist. Mindless belief in any supernatural being is beyond me.




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ccfc92

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #194
lifeskyblue said:
Does anyone really believe an omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent God wants cowards to kill innocent people in his/her name?
Only an insecure, uncertain and weak being would call on humans to act in this way.
I'm 57 and for 48 of those years I've been an atheist. Mindless belief in any supernatural being is beyond me.




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I've posted this before, but I believe you'll appreciate this LSB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo
 

ccfc92

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #195
Also, apart from the whiney American accent, this guy also makes some valid points on Atheism regarding not enough evidence etc.

2 mins 10 secs in : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-d4otHE-YI
 

lifeskyblue

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #196
Thanks 92...exactly what I believe but put so much more eloquently. I remember at junior school arguing with a friend after some world tragedy in that if there was a god 'why did he let people drown in that flood'


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CCFC Germany

Active Member
  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #197
SIR ERNIE said:
Originally Posted by Nick
If true then it just backs up the need for tighter borders doesn't it?





No?

Really?

Seems as though Herr Soeder disagrees with you:

A member of Bavaria's regional government has called for better border controls in the wake of the Paris attacks.Bavaria's Finance Minister Markus Soeder told weekly Welt am Sonntag that Germany needs to know who is entering the country.
The newspaper quoted Soeder as saying that "the days of unchecked immigration and illegal entry can't continue. Paris changes everything."
Bavaria has been the main point of entry for hundreds of thousands of migrants coming to Germany this year.
Soeder was quoted as saying that if Germany's federal government wasn't able to secure the border "then Bavaria can take on this task."
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So how does writing one's name down prevent terrorism exactly ?
 

ccfc92

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #198
That's the thing LSB, religious people dismiss it as "God's will".

Like the second link I posted says, it's funny how the person who you are talking to assumes they are worshipping the "correct" religion. There's thousands of religions, including Jedi, so which one is correct? Chances are, none.

Unfortunately when you die, chances are, the lights go out, but I'm not arrogant or naive enough to admit I really don't know. If there is a God, I would also be humble enough to hold my hands up and say I was wrong, but the wrongs in the world out weigh the likelihood of a loving, caring God unfortunately.
 

lifeskyblue

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #199
Yes so many religions and they have to be right or of course they can't exist. None of the major religions we have today are the same as they were when they were founded. Jesus, Mohammed and the Buddha just wouldn't recognise the religions founded in their name


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Otis

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #200
CCFC Germany said:
So how does writing one's name down prevent terrorism exactly ?
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Because anyone with the surnam Hitler, or first name, Adolf wouldn't get in.

They would also carry thorough checks on Mr. Pot, Mr. Amin and Mr. Chi Mihn too and make sure they filled in all the right forms.
 

ccfc92

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #201
CCFC Germany said:
So how does writing one's name down prevent terrorism exactly ?
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They'd have a better chance of keeping track of who they are, where they go, what they do.


Just a question, would you be comfortable with letting a person you don't know into your home, to live? I mean your actual house, with your family living in it, and you don't know who the person is, their name, their history, where they are from etc?
 

ccfc92

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #202
lifeskyblue said:
Yes so many religions and they have to be right or of course they can't exist. None of the major religions we have today are the same as they were when they were founded. Jesus, Mohammed and the Buddha just wouldn't recognise the religions founded in their name


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The only thing they have relevance to, and IMO is the best way to live your life, is I believe a quote from John : Love one another, as I have loved you.

The sooner the whole human race takes that on board, the sooner humanity grows and thrives.

All the other stuff about persecuting non believers/ other religions, wars etc, that's where humanity falls apart
 

Otis

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #203
ccfc92 said:
The only thing they have relevance to, and IMO is the best way to live your life, is I believe a quote from John : Love one another, as I have loved you.

The sooner the whole human race takes that on board, the sooner we grow and thrive as a race.
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I don't remember Lennon writing that. Was that in his Beatles days, or after her went solo?
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #204
ccfc92 said:
The only thing they have relevance to, and IMO is the best way to live your life, is I believe a quote from John : Love one another, as I have loved you.

The sooner the whole human race takes that on board, the sooner we grow and thrive as a race.
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nothing to do with religion though - just about being civilised
 

lifeskyblue

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #205
Absolutely 92. Trouble is it won't be in my lifetime


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ccfc92

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #206
skybluesam66 said:
nothing to do with religion though - just about being civilised
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Exactly SBS, that's why 2000 year old religions have no place in todays society.
 

ccfc92

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #207
lifeskyblue said:
Absolutely 92. Trouble is it won't be in my lifetime


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Or mine probably

We can only teach our children right from wrong and hope they change the world.
 

lifeskyblue

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #208
ccfc92 said:
Or mine probably

We can only teach our children right from wrong and hope they change the world.
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Haha. Yes. I'm on the great down slope of life.
And you are right re the next generation and the one after that and on and on forevermore


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Otis

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #209
ccfc92 said:
Or mine probably

We can only teach our children right from wrong and hope they change the world.
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I have always taught my daughter this: Treat everyone as an individual and each and every person you meet on their own individual merits.

It's ridiculous to judge a group of people based on simply colour or creed. Everyone is an individual and everyone is different.
 

ccfc92

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  • Nov 14, 2015
  • #210
lifeskyblue said:
Haha. Yes. I'm on the great down slope of life.
And you are right re the next generation and the one after that and on and on forevermore


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I'm 23 next month, but I was lucky to have a granddad who was a true gentleman, and I get a lot of my morals and principles from him, which he passed on to my mother, and I don't intend on them stopping with me.

I hope I see change in my years, but can't see it. It's better than 2-300 years ago, civil wars, slavery etc but there's always different issues with humanity

The one hope I do have, is the solidarity shown in the face of evil. The whole world has stood with France. That makes me very proud to see.
 
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