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Four EFL clubs 'at risk of failure' according to study, is one CCFC? (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Apr 12, 2017
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skybluebeduff

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #1
Four EFL clubs 'at risk of failure' according to study

Given our circumstances and increasing debt to SISU with no assets left after Ryton, is one of those clubs us?

It's a guessing game but surely we fall under the category of a club at risk of failure?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #2
We aren't at risk of failure, we're way past that!
 
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #3
do we? Possibly but it depends on the criteria

This is the criteria used by the study
How were the results found?
The report used a number of legal financial data as markers of financial stability, breaking down those problems into "significant" and "critical" categories, a combination of which were used to decide whether a club was in "financial distress" or not.

Significant include those with County Court Judgments (CCJs), an order to pay a creditor, of less than £5,000 filed against them and a "sustained or marked deterioration" in indicators such as measuring working capital, contingent liabilities, retained profits and net worth.

Critical problems were those with CCJs totalling over £5,000 within a three-month period or winding-up petitions against them or which have entered Corporate Voluntary Arrangements
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On that basis we have significant not critical problems

from what we all know we would classify as critical I am sure but does the study?
 
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hutch1972

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #4
Pretty obvious that one is us , but I should point out that it is 9 clubs fewer than a few years back. Next year it might be none at all or it might be 15 , it just shows the huge difference financially, between the top 2 leagues and the bottom 2.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #5
oldskyblue58 said:
do we? Possibly but it depends on the criteria

This is the criteria used by the study
How were the results found?
The report used a number of legal financial data as markers of financial stability, breaking down those problems into "significant" and "critical" categories, a combination of which were used to decide whether a club was in "financial distress" or not.

Significant include those with County Court Judgments (CCJs), an order to pay a creditor, of less than £5,000 filed against them and a "sustained or marked deterioration" in indicators such as measuring working capital, contingent liabilities, retained profits and net worth.

Critical problems were those with CCJs totalling over £5,000 within a three-month period or winding-up petitions against them or which have entered Corporate Voluntary Arrangements
.

On that basis we have significant not critical problems

from what we all know we would classify as critical I am sure but does the study?
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Boooo!
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #6
I doubt it. Accounts showed a profit last year. Our club is being milked by the owners. TF boasts how the business is lean....However, next season there will be fewer season ticket holders.
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #7
skybluebeduff said:
Four EFL clubs 'at risk of failure' according to study

Given our circumstances and increasing debt to SISU with no assets left after Ryton, is one of those clubs us?

It's a guessing game but surely we fall under the category of a club at risk of failure?
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If we're not one of them then the other clubs are fucked!
 
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skybluebeduff

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #8
I guessed its Us, Bolton, maybe Swindon or Oldham? and Leyton Orient. Just guesses though.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #9
What about Bury? Chesterfield have had problems with CCJ's also or Morecambe unable to pay staff
 
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Danceswithhorses

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #10
skybluebeduff said:
I guessed its Us, Bolton, maybe Swindon or Oldham? and Leyton Orient. Just guesses though.
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Didn't the Bolton chairman (Eddie Davies) write off £100m+ he was owed ?
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #11
do we have any ccj's against us? thought we were clean now
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #12
I would have thought it would be trickier to find four that are not at risk in the football league
 

scottccfc

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #13
I cant see us being one of them, I know things are bad but my understanding they aren't that bad when it comes to the finances running the club, isn't most of our debt "sisu" debt and not owed to hmrc and the like
 
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Suffolk sky blues

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #14
We.need to make the most of next season I Fear it will be our last.
 
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Astute

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #15
robbiethemole said:
do we have any ccj's against us? thought we were clean now
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Not a chance. SISU would have battered them in court.
 
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better days

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #16
oldskyblue58 said:
What about Bury? Chesterfield have had problems with CCJ's also or Morecambe unable to pay staff
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I reckon these are likely candidates along with Rochdale and Orient
The Sky Blues actually do pay their bills. Our problem is more to do with incompetence at the board level and the parent company making enemies
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #17
..anyone name 4 clubs in a worse position than us ?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #18
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
..anyone name 4 clubs in a worse position than us ?
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Orient clearly and the others in this I would guess are Morecombe and Chesterfield for sure and I would guess Bury
 

Gazolba

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #19
Well one must be Arsenal surely. Nothing but failure for years.
 
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stevefloyd

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #20
Maybe there are clubs in worse states than ours
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #21
stevefloyd said:
Maybe there are clubs in worse states than ours
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I wish they would show them then I could do with a laugh
 

stevefloyd

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  • Apr 12, 2017
  • #22
:jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop:
 
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its a buzzard

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  • Apr 14, 2017
  • #23
Suffolk sky blues said:
We.need to make the most of next season I Fear it will be our last.
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Not sure it will be. If our main creditor, SISU, are happy to sit on the club as it continues to "self-finance", then I'm afraid this nightmare could go on for a very long time. The club will carry on falling through the leagues and shrinking as it goes. Bastards.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 14, 2017
  • #24
Grendel said:
Orient clearly and the others in this I would guess are Morecombe and Chesterfield for sure and I would guess Bury
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Am a bit out of touch. Why Chesterfield? (yes, I know I could Google!)
 
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