Potentially this is where the Labour Party has shot itself in the foot by acting now however.
Then again, if they think Corbyn isn't capable of articulating all that in a general election, best they get the pain out the way now...
How do yuk reconcile your left wing views with your view on the EU? Corbyn would, if brave enough, have voted leave. Most hard line socialists from the past - foot, benn, Crowe, nellist are all anti EU.
On this issue you are more Blairite - why?
I think you misread me. I've always said there's a left wing argument to be made for exit... but nobody bothered to make it, and gave the ground to the right wing.
My own personal view is ambivalent, willing to be persuaded either way (there is also a left wing argument to be made for staying. As ever, there are usually many sides of the same coin)... but the right wing scaremongering and focus on immigration meant it had to be the status quo.
Apologies for crashing in....but that does suggest you've potentially voted against your instincts for fear of being tarred with the same brush as the minority (albeit sizable) of knuckle-dragging racists voting leave.....
Nope.
Nobody has made a case to leave... in my view (note these three words, passing mentalists!).
How can I be persuaded to leave, when I am told the 'benefits' are things that I disagree with?
You live in Willenhall now then ?!It's worth noting that there was and is an inherant contradiction between political ideologies and Europe, anyway. I see no reason why a progressive left position can't reconcile itself to membership of the EU, although I'd like there to be more allowance for state aid and support, personally, but surely a full left wing argument would go further than the EU does, and encourage closer ties, and more redistribution to neglected areas in favour of the wealthy?
(In microcosm, take from London to give to Willenhall!)
Meanwhile, a right wing free market would surely encourage immigration, and there'd be a natural check anyway when it came to saturation point, with people bogging off again.
You live in Willenhall now then ?!
Yep. I love Hilary Benn. I'm in PLP and like Corbyn but if we are to have any chance of defeating Tories then a new leader will have to be found to fight Boris as I think he'll be the new PM
Exciting times. I love politics!
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I have been in Labour Party for 33 years. Was a mad Socialist Worker type in the 80s, begrudgingly applauded Blair for getting us elected in the 90s then became disillusioned in the 00s with New Labour and Iraq.
I voted for Corbyn last year as I thought despite his lack of credentials he would show us what the Labour Party is all about, take us back to its founding values. Fine is we are going to be in opposition for another 5 years but sad to say with a prospect of a general election on the horizon then we need a new leader who is electable.
We need someone to fight the ideological Tory austerity programme and that isn't Jeremy.
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Hilary Benn might be alright, but New Labour are not going to be elected any time soon. They're unbelievably out of touch.
It's worth noting that there was and is an inherant contradiction between political ideologies and Europe, anyway. I see no reason why a progressive left position can't reconcile itself to membership of the EU, although I'd like there to be more allowance for state aid and support, personally, but surely a full left wing argument would go further than the EU does, and encourage closer ties, and more redistribution to neglected areas in favour of the wealthy?
(In microcosm, take from London to give to Willenhall!)
Meanwhile, a right wing free market would surely encourage immigration, and there'd be a natural check anyway when it came to saturation point, with people bogging off again.
If I was a member of the Labour Party I'd be furious. Has a party ever been so out of step with its members?Fall out continues..
If I was a member of the Labour Party I'd be furious. Has a party ever been so out of step with its members?
Corbyn won by a landslide in the leadership election. Latest polls show that if he stands in the next leadership election he will win by an even bigger landslide.
So what are they going to do, prevent him standing? Can't imagine that would go down well with the membership.
They don't seem too happy as it is, a pro Corbyn demo is taking place outside Parliament.
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the Labour party might split in 2, its not as if it hasn't happened several times in the past.
Difference is its not a small group this time. The majority of party members voted for Corbyn. Since that vote his poll rating among Labour members has gone up (won with 59%, polls have him now at 66%).the Militant Tendency is alive and boisterous!
In all seriousness I wonder what those who have resigned think when they see that?
In all seriousness I wonder what those who have resigned think when they see that?
It's the catch 22 though. The membership has some devotees, but they need to appeal to more than the members.
How does that work then? You have a political party, you have members of that party. The members give a clear indication of the direction the want the party to go in. Party completely ignores it and does its own thing?It's the catch 22 though. The membership has some devotees, but they need to appeal to more than the members.
How does that work then? You have a political party, you have members of that party. The members give a clear indication of the direction the want the party to go in. Party completely ignores it and does its own thing?
They wouldn't be happy with that either. They want a Blairite and a return to New Labour.As said above, you need to find a more dynamic left leaning alternative
They wouldn't be happy with that either. They want a Blairite and a return to New Labour.
Oh, I see that's where the SWP are today.In all seriousness I wonder what those who have resigned think when they see that?
They could call it the Liberal Democrats.I think a lot of MPs will defect and form a new moderate left of centre party.
New Labour.They could call it the Liberal Democrats.
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