Formation (2 Viewers)

sneferu · Oct 8, 2023

Yesterday's game was really interesting. We started brightly but definitely ran out of ideas in the middle of the game. Robins made some good changes and we grabbed back momentum and got a well deserved slice of luck and grabbed a draw.

Sakamoto is great, he needs to be in the side. Van Ewijk is great and needs to be in the side.

I think we need to switch to 442 to accommodate both these players. Sakamoto playing left midfield with Dasilva behind and overlapping.

Van Ewijk right midfield with probably lati behind providing cover and overlapping. Plenty of crosses and real width both sides.

ProfessorbyGrace · Oct 8, 2023

sneferu said:
Yesterday's game was really interesting. We started brightly but definitely ran out of ideas in the middle of the game. Robins made some good changes and we grabbed back momentum and got a well deserved slice of luck and grabbed a draw.

Sakamoto is great, he needs to be in the side. Van Ewijk is great and needs to be in the side.

I think we need to switch to 442 to accommodate both these players. Sakamoto playing left midfield with Dasilva behind and overlapping.

Van Ewijk right midfield with probably lati behind providing cover and overlapping. Plenty of crosses and real width both sides.

MR wouldn’t go for it. He likes his 3 big lumps at CB, and wingbacks.

I prefer a 4-4-2 myself, there’s still plenty of dynamic options for it.

shmmeee · Oct 8, 2023

sneferu said:
Yesterday's game was really interesting. We started brightly but definitely ran out of ideas in the middle of the game. Robins made some good changes and we grabbed back momentum and got a well deserved slice of luck and grabbed a draw.

Sakamoto is great, he needs to be in the side. Van Ewijk is great and needs to be in the side.

I think we need to switch to 442 to accommodate both these players. Sakamoto playing left midfield with Dasilva behind and overlapping.

Van Ewijk right midfield with probably lati behind providing cover and overlapping. Plenty of crosses and real width both sides.

You’re basically suggesting we move from a back five to a back six??

slowpoke · Oct 8, 2023

As you say our last twenty minutes yesterday left me confident we will go strength to strength, we have players out injured who would all get into any of the championship teams above us. Imagine it was the old days and there was no transfer window and we swooped and signed Sheaf, O’Hare, Palmer and I include the experience of Liam Kelly add to that we have a few bob to bring in new and better players permanent or loans

As for formation we finished yesterday pulverising a decent Norwich team, should have won. We had pace something we need straight away from kick-off so at the moment players like MvE, Saka give us that a tight defence remains crucial, need to stop the sloppy goals, over to MR. He’s changed tact before mid-season successfully.

Evo1883 · Oct 8, 2023

sneferu said:
Yesterday's game was really interesting. We started brightly but definitely ran out of ideas in the middle of the game. Robins made some good changes and we grabbed back momentum and got a well deserved slice of luck and grabbed a draw.

Sakamoto is great, he needs to be in the side. Van Ewijk is great and needs to be in the side.

I think we need to switch to 442 to accommodate both these players. Sakamoto playing left midfield with Dasilva behind and overlapping.

Van Ewijk right midfield with probably lati behind providing cover and overlapping. Plenty of crosses and real width both sides.

I couldn't disagree more

sneferu · Oct 8, 2023

shmmeee said:
You’re basically suggesting we move from a back five to a back six??

Not really. Out of possession we would basically drop to to banks of four. But in possession Sakamoto and van Ewijk bomb forward providing real width.

slowpoke · Oct 8, 2023

Eventually I see Thomas, Kitching and Binks being our back three, not sure where that leaves Joel Lati. Yesterday I thought those last 20 minutes he was a driving force for us ahead of our back three.

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 8, 2023

sneferu said:
Not really. Out of possession we would basically drop to to banks of four. But in possession Sakamoto and van Ewijk bomb forward providing real width.

Nah. You then lose the ability to play Allen/COH/AN Other in attacking midfield where they are much better suited while also losing the ability for centre backs to bring the ball out as MR seems keen on.

It would look even more turgid than it already can do.

SkyBlueCharlie9 · Oct 8, 2023

Lati's direct movement and direct passing into the box last 10mins was excellent and partly why we nearly sneaked a win.

Brighton Sky Blue · Oct 8, 2023

SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
Lati's direct movement and direct passing into the box last 10mins was excellent and partly why we nearly sneaked a win.

In the absence of Sheaf he ought to start there next game.

shmmeee · Oct 8, 2023

sneferu said:
Not really. Out of possession we would basically drop to to banks of four. But in possession Sakamoto and van Ewijk bomb forward providing real width.

and you go from a three man midfield to a two man, which we really don’t have the players for. I’m not against moving from a back five but playing wing backs on the wing and a midfield two of likely Allen and Eccles isn’t it IMO.

procdoc · Oct 8, 2023

4-4-2 is such an outdated formation. The difference between being a wing back and a wide midfielder is much different to what people think. If it was simple why don’t Liverpool play TAA and Robinson as wingers? Why don’t Man City play Walker as a winger? The old adage of beating your man and whipping a cross in is now very rare in the modern game.
Having two players in central midfield as opposed to three would leave us far too exposed, which is why most teams play three in there.
The formation we play is not an issue, we have had a lot of success with it. If we played 4-4-2 where does O’Hare play when he’s fit again? How would you keep Thomas, Fadz, Binks, Lati, Kitching etc happy?
They work on the formation we play day in, day out in training, do you seriously think that changing it now would work?

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 8, 2023

My overriding impression was that we were far better than I expected
How saka hasnt played more is beyond me and Lati is much better as a defensive mid allen or ayari
Lots of options
Need to make more of corners and our strikers to step up and be more involved

slowpoke · Oct 8, 2023

Brighton Sky Blue said:
In the absence of Sheaf he ought to start there next game.

That doesn’t seem to be a popular view though. The interesting bit for me is when COH is back hopefully fighting fit what will our formation be then.

Ccfcisparks · Oct 8, 2023

I’d like to see us end up eventually with a team of

Wilson
MVE Lati Binks Kitchen JDS
Sheaf Allen
Tatsu O’Hare
Simms

could be a line up that forms the basis for the next few years

shmmeee · Oct 8, 2023

Ccfcisparks said:
I’d like to see us end up eventually with a team of

Wilson
MVE Lati Binks Kitchen JDS
Sheaf Allen
Tatsu O’Hare
Simms

could be a line up that forms the basis for the next few years

Allen isn’t a CM. I’d have Eccles Ayari and Kelly ahead of him. We really need one in Jan.

Ccfcisparks · Oct 8, 2023

shmmeee said:
Allen isn’t a CM. I’d have Eccles Ayari and Kelly ahead of him. We really need one in Jan.

Ayari really??

fernandopartridge · Oct 8, 2023

shmmeee said:
Allen isn’t a CM. I’d have Eccles Ayari and Kelly ahead of him. We really need one in Jan.

Apart from playing most of his career there he isn't

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AiS86 · Oct 8, 2023

A back 3 has made us hard to beat for a while now, why change it?

Grendel · Oct 8, 2023

shmmeee said:
Allen isn’t a CM. I’d have Eccles Ayari and Kelly ahead of him. We really need one in Jan.

Allen was signed as a central midfielder I doubt he’s played a natural 10 more than 20% of his career.

slowpoke · Oct 8, 2023

Ccfcisparks said:
Ayari really??

He is improving match by match yesterday probably being his best game yet. At the moment who else is there ?

Ccfcisparks · Oct 8, 2023

slowpoke said:
He is improving match by match yesterday probably being his best game yet. At the moment who else is there ?

Allen or Eccles

Alkhen · Oct 8, 2023

Absolutely pointless exercise but this is how I'd have set up in the glory days of FM07 tactics:

Wright would drift in from a slightly wider channel. From his highlights reel he looked best with space to run into with the ball, would also leave Simms space to be the focal point up top.

Tatsu would have a free roaming role but drop back in to help the midfield/RWB out of possession.

covboy9 · Oct 8, 2023

I don’t think we have personnel to play 442 atm we are struggling a bit with 352

covboy9 · Oct 8, 2023

Sakamoto has to play but not at wing back

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 8, 2023

I'm not a fan of the wingback formation at all, but it is more of a personal preference. I would like us to at least try something else from time to time, but it doesn't seem like that will ever happen. It probably makes us a bit predictable too.

I would be curious on how a 4-3-3 would suit us.

covboy9 · Oct 8, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I'm not a fan of the wingback formation at all, but it is more of a personal preference. I would like us to at least try something else from time to time, but it doesn't seem like that will ever happen. It probably makes us a bit predictable too.

I would be curious on how a 4-3-3 would suit us.

I agree don’t really think any of our full backs are true wing backs they are hard to find

Seamus1 · Oct 8, 2023

covboy9 said:
I don’t think we have personnel to play 442 atm we are struggling a bit with 352

I respectfully disagree. Would love to see us maybe spring a surprise and go old school 4-4-2.
GK Wilson
RB van Ewijk
CB Kitching
CB Binks
LB Bidwell
RW Tatsu
RM Sheaf
LM Allen
LW DaSilva
ST Simms
ST Wright

Could maybe put in Latibeaudiere, who has impressed me, instead of Allen

I think the wide positions would offer both defensive and offensive options, particularly on the right with an overlapping van Ewijk drawing the opposition LWB out to allow space for Tatsu to hopefully cut in, or Tatsu to cut in drawing the defender and allowing space for van Ewijk to receive and cross. Both those having also played in a defensive role and might have some defensive awareness when opposition are in possession. Would obviously be less effective on the left though as Bidwell is rather more defensive minded and might get a nosebleed were he to go too far past Hakfway line.

If it doesn’t work, we could always revert back to 3-5-2/5-3-2 during the game.

I’m just a bit fed up that there does not seem to be a plan b apart from change the personnel with about 15 minutes to go…nothing to keep the opposition thinking about what is to come and how to deal with the formation

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