Formation (1 Viewer)

Saddlebrains · May 10, 2022

With the talk of Kane going and Bidwell clearly looking better at LCB than LWB, and of course the expectation of Waghorn and Walker going, leaving just 2 strikers in Gyok and Godden, can anyone else see a shape change next season?

When we played the box again this year it was pretty successful wasnt it?

If we can get in someone in the mould of Tom Lawrence to play alongside O'Hare behind Gyok, cpuld it work? Or will Robins stick to what he knows in the 3 4 1 2 set up?

procdoc · May 10, 2022

Saddlebrains said:
With the talk of Kane going and Bidwell clearly looking better at LCB than LWB, and of course the expectation of Waghorn and Walker going, leaving just 2 strikers in Gyok and Godden, can anyone else see a shape change next season?

When we played the box again this year it was pretty successful wasnt it?

If we can get in someone in the mould of Tom Lawrence to play alongside O'Hare behind Gyok, cpuld it work? Or will Robins stick to what he knows in the 3 4 1 2 set up?

I expect he will mix it up again depending on the opposition and how they set up. He will try and have enough decent options for the box formation and also for when he want to play two up top

SBAndy · May 10, 2022

2 up top was more successful when we played direct last season, but I never felt it really worked with our style this season. Flipping back to the box more recently we looked far better. Good to have both options though.

shmmeee · May 10, 2022

Yeah I’d like the option. Ideally three first team quality strikers and attacking miss needed in the squad. So we need to sign a forward and two AMs.

fernandopartridge · May 10, 2022

Saddlebrains said:
With the talk of Kane going and Bidwell clearly looking better at LCB than LWB, and of course the expectation of Waghorn and Walker going, leaving just 2 strikers in Gyok and Godden, can anyone else see a shape change next season?

When we played the box again this year it was pretty successful wasnt it?

If we can get in someone in the mould of Tom Lawrence to play alongside O'Hare behind Gyok, cpuld it work? Or will Robins stick to what he knows in the 3 4 1 2 set up?

There is no evidence at all that Bidwell is clearly better at CB

Saddlebrains · May 10, 2022

fernandopartridge said:
There is no evidence at all that Bidwell is clearly better at CB

No other than a high percentage of people on here and social media who attend games are of the consensus he looks a lot more solid there than LWB, but no nothing

stupot07 · May 10, 2022

I'd like a couple of pacy wingers, so we can adapt to a 4231/433 when we're struggling to break teams down.

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Saddlebrains · May 10, 2022

for me we need

2cb
1lwb
1Cam
1St

Alex1987 · May 10, 2022

Kane going?

Hobo · May 10, 2022

Saddlebrains said:
With the talk of Kane going and Bidwell clearly looking better at LCB than LWB, and of course the expectation of Waghorn and Walker going, leaving just 2 strikers in Gyok and Godden, can anyone else see a shape change next season?

When we played the box again this year it was pretty successful wasnt it?

If we can get in someone in the mould of Tom Lawrence to play alongside O'Hare behind Gyok, cpuld it work? Or will Robins stick to what he knows in the 3 4 1 2 set up?

Kane, Walker and Waghorn wont all go for starters.

Also if Godden had been fit we would have seen more of Godden and Gyok paired together - even if it was just for part of the game.

I know some people struggle with this but our results goals and chances created are just as good with one striker as with two (especially away from home).

shmmeee · May 10, 2022

Saddlebrains said:
for me we need

2cb
1lwb
1Cam
1St

Assuming no sales (or adding in replacements), I’d say:

2 CB
1 LWB
1 CM
2 AM
1 ST

Lack of options was a real issue this season.

fatso · May 10, 2022

Saddlebrains said:
No other than a high percentage of people on here and social media who attend games are of the consensus he looks a lot more solid there than LWB, but no nothing

Agreed, he looks slightly less shit at CB.

fernandopartridge · May 10, 2022

Saddlebrains said:
No other than a high percentage of people on here and social media who attend games are of the consensus he looks a lot more solid there than LWB, but no nothing

I attend / watch the games and reach an entirely different conclusion

Saddlebrains · May 10, 2022

fernandopartridge said:
I attend / watch the games and reach an entirely different conclusion

I would suggest you take a trip to an optometrist then mate

stupot07 · May 10, 2022

fernandopartridge said:
I attend / watch the games and reach an entirely different conclusion

I agree, he did well filling in at LCB, but you could see he was out of position, he is a LWB and has had a few decent games there.

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SlowerThanPlatt · May 10, 2022

stupot07 said:
He did well filling in at LCB, but you could see he was out of position, he is a LWB and has had a few decent games there.

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I think it was Bournemouth where he was thoroughly exposed

Evo1883 · May 10, 2022

To me he looks like he's got a decent cross on him and is defensively solid .. given a full pre season would be a Mr 7/10 .. he's a left wing/ back no doubt

Evo1883 · May 10, 2022

Also what is the kane rumour, seen nothing

fernandopartridge · May 10, 2022

Saddlebrains said:
I would suggest you take a trip to an optometrist then mate

The view of you and some people on social media isn't evidence friend

SlowerThanPlatt · May 10, 2022

Evo1883 said:
Also what is the kane rumour, seen nothing

Waghorn

Really liked Kane when he first joined but he hasn't had one decent performance since Christmas. Wouldn't be heartbroken to see him moved on.

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clint van damme · May 10, 2022

shmmeee said:
Assuming no sales (or adding in replacements), I’d say:

2 CB
1 LWB
1 CM
2 AM
1 ST

Lack of options was a real issue this season.

If we can get real quality and some pace in at CB and CM I think we can get away with what we've got elsewhere. Won't happen though.

Evo1883 · May 10, 2022

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Waghorn

Really liked Kane when he first joined but he hasn't had one decent performance since Christmas. Wouldn't be heartbroken to see him moved on.

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Don't mind him leaving , dabo better all round player , just my opinion probably not shared by all , but we do need 2 wing backs each side

Samo · May 10, 2022

Alex1987 said:
Kane going?

That's what I thought... did I miss something?

SlowerThanPlatt · May 10, 2022

Samo said:
That's what I thought... did I miss something?

Few posts above

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 10, 2022

I've wondered for a while if our formation is getting the best out of us. Wing backs are so key to that, and I don't feel like the ones we have are particularly effective. I would also like to see us change it up, have a plan B dice to roll if things aren't working. It generally always feels like we just make like for like changes in that circumstance though, perhaps at most put a striker on for an AM or vice versa.

We've been playing with effectively 5 defenders for ages and we are still shit at defending anyway. Would be interesting to see what players we get in and if that allows for some modification of the system. Not that I expect for that to happen particularly.

skybluegod · May 10, 2022

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I've wondered for a while if our formation is getting the best out of us. Wing backs are so key to that, and I don't feel like the ones we have are particularly effective. I would also like to see us change it up, have a plan B dice to roll if things aren't working. It generally always feels like we just make like for like changes in that circumstance though, perhaps at most put a striker on for an AM or vice versa.

We've been playing with effectively 5 defenders for ages and we are still shit at defending anyway. Would be interesting to see what players we get in and if that allows for some modification of the system. Not that I expect for that to happen particularly.

The issue we have is that with the back 5 you don't have flexibility to change to wingers as we play narrow. We don't have a single winger on the books presuming we let Jones go. Maybe Bapaga if we are counting him? So that means we would need to bring in at least 3 wingers this summer to provide us with that option, which is a huge amount of the budget I would think, but the reason we have gone with a back 3 in my eyes is because arguably none of the CB's are good enough to make a back 4 solid enough, at least not in the current pairings we could have. So that's another 1/2 signings that would need to be made. Even as a plan B getting wingers in isn't exactly likely given nobody will want to be sitting on the bench hoping for us to want to change system.

Even if you don't sign wingers the only option is then a narrow midfield which means signing at least a couple of midfield players to supplement the group and add goals. Can't see a massive shift in formation this summer, but like you i would perhaps like one but think we are far too committed financially at this moment to the formation we have. We do need greater output from the fullbacks probably in terms of assists more than goals, but he fullbacks we have are contracted so need suitors for them before we can upgrade. I do think Bidwell would be much better in a 4 than as a wingback.

Interesting to see what happens

Hobo · May 10, 2022

Ok so people are slagging off Kane and Waghorn. Last year they where slagging off Allen and it was all sell sell sell.

With independant votes across the season on MOM - he has come in with people like Hamer, O'Hare, and Gyokores.

So dont be so quick to write some players off... and ffs in the summer learn something about footbal tactics. It is not all about the pass and the shot Learn to watch the game and not just follow the ball.

junglej13 · May 10, 2022

One of the big positives with the club at the moment is the pattern of play so wouldn't want to see the formation changed radically. At times I have hated the box midfield but that is because our attacking midfielders are very poor, don't contribute enough goal threat and have any pace. When Godden and Vik have started we have put in some brilliant performances. If we addressed the attacking midfielders, the formation in my opinion would be great. Although the wingbacks need to also contribute much more in terms of goals and assists.

PVA · May 10, 2022

I think he'll stick with the 2 formations. They're clearly effective and opposition teams struggle to cope with them.

We've just lacked another top quality AM to really make the most of the box formation. Hopefully we can keep O'Hare and add another quality AM and I can see the box being very effective at this level.

Mucca Mad Boys · May 10, 2022

PVA said:
I think he'll stick with the 2 formations. They're clearly effective and opposition teams struggle to cope with them.

We've just lacked another top quality AM to really make the most of the box formation. Hopefully we can keep O'Hare and add another quality AM and I can see the box being very effective at this level.

Generally, I agree. I’d like to see a winger in one of the AM slots in the ‘box’. Something like a championship quality Jodi Jones/Bright type player. A bit more skill and pace going forwards to link up with Gyo and COH.

I think Robins would work towards this (potentially) given that we signed Bright last year and after Huddersfield MR said something along the lines that JJ could ‘transform’ the team.

PVA · May 10, 2022

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Generally, I agree. I’d like to see a winger in one of the AM slots in the ‘box’. Something like a championship quality Jodi Jones/Bright type player. A bit more skill and pace going forwards to link up with Gyo and COH.

I think Robins would work towards this (potentially) given that we signed Bright last year and after Huddersfield MR said something along the lines that JJ could ‘transform’ the team.

And he played Maatsen there a few times too. So he's certainly not averse to it. A little bit of pace in that position definitely would be good

rob9872 · May 11, 2022

I think we're unlikely to change much. Mixed messages and can't afford players not to be included in the basis they don't fit a system. Solid strength in depth for how we play is how I think recruitment will go. Arguably a little one dimensional and tactics easy to counter, but it's served well so far and if we can improve on converting a few more of the created chances and not giving sloppy ones away we'll do okay again.

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