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For the love of god please Frank (if it is you) play our players in their best positions… (1 Viewer)

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ms639

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  • Nov 27, 2024
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This is the hill I am willing to die on. Please tell me what I am not seeing. Why are we not playing our best players in their best positions…

1) MVE - on his day heads and shoulders above any other player in our defensive unit. Play a back 4, play him on the right of that back 4 and let him do what he does best. This back 5 is wank, we are haemorrhaging goals, it doesn’t work.

2) Tats - he plays on the right, he doesn’t work in a 10, he doesn’t work on the left, it’s been tried multiple times play him where he plays best.

3) Haji - play the bloke on the left, 20 goals last year from the left, play him there, he’s our best player, play him where he’s most effective

4) Rudoni - play him in the 10, he isn’t a 6, he isn’t an 8, he’s a 10. He’s a creative player with a wand of a left foot, get him in advanced positions, don’t burden him with doing tonnes of defensive work, play him in the position he was signed to play.

Every signing in the summer was signed around a 4-2-3-1 formation, play that system, let it bed in.

Tell me that this isn’t our best side

GK (fuck knows which one right now)

MVE Thomas Binks Bidwell
Sheaf Eccles
Saka Rudoni Wright
Simms

People may disagree with the Simms shout but in my opinion Bassette is too erratic right now, his runs are all over the place and make it very tough for our midfielders to find him consistently (he’ll get better at that) he’s good in games where we have to play on the counter and look for quick balls in behind but when we have a lot of possession I’m not sure he’s the one, I also don’t think BTA has done enough to deserve a start.

Simms got 20 goals last year he can cut it at this level and proved he can be very effective with Wright, for me give him 6-8 games and let’s see if he can find that form again.

Your most influential players need to play in their best positions, simple as.


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Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #2
ms639 said:
This is the hill I am willing to die on. Please tell me what I am not seeing. Why are we not playing our best players in their best positions…

1) MVE - on his day heads and shoulders above any other player in our defensive unit. Play a back 4, play him on the right of that back 4 and let him do what he does best. This back 5 is wank, we are haemorrhaging goals, it doesn’t work.

2) Tats - he plays on the right, he doesn’t work in a 10, he doesn’t work on the left, it’s been tried multiple times play him where he plays best.

3) Haji - play the bloke on the left, 20 goals last year from the left, play him there, he’s our best player, play him where he’s most effective

4) Rudoni - play him in the 10, he isn’t a 6, he isn’t an 8, he’s a 10. He’s a creative player with a wand of a left foot, get him in advanced positions, don’t burden him with doing tonnes of defensive work, play him in the position he was signed to play.

Every signing in the summer was signed around a 4-2-3-1 formation, play that system, let it bed in.

Tell me that this isn’t our best side

GK (fuck knows which one right now)

MVE Thomas Binks Bidwell
Sheaf Eccles
Saka Rudoni Wright
Simms

People may disagree with the Simms shout but in my opinion Bassette is too erratic right now, his runs are all over the place and make it very tough for our midfielders to find him consistently (he’ll get better at that) he’s good in games where we have to play on the counter and look for quick balls in behind but when we have a lot of possession I’m not sure he’s the one, I also don’t think BTA has done enough to deserve a start.

Simms got 20 goals last year he can cut it at this level and proved he can be very effective with Wright, for me give him 6-8 games and let’s see if he can find that form again.

Your most influential players need to play in their best positions, simple as.


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Rudoni isn’t a 10 he’s an 8
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #3
ms639 said:
This is the hill I am willing to die on. Please tell me what I am not seeing. Why are we not playing our best players in their best positions…

1) MVE - on his day heads and shoulders above any other player in our defensive unit. Play a back 4, play him on the right of that back 4 and let him do what he does best. This back 5 is wank, we are haemorrhaging goals, it doesn’t work.

2) Tats - he plays on the right, he doesn’t work in a 10, he doesn’t work on the left, it’s been tried multiple times play him where he plays best.

3) Haji - play the bloke on the left, 20 goals last year from the left, play him there, he’s our best player, play him where he’s most effective

4) Rudoni - play him in the 10, he isn’t a 6, he isn’t an 8, he’s a 10. He’s a creative player with a wand of a left foot, get him in advanced positions, don’t burden him with doing tonnes of defensive work, play him in the position he was signed to play.

Every signing in the summer was signed around a 4-2-3-1 formation, play that system, let it bed in.

Tell me that this isn’t our best side

GK (fuck knows which one right now)

MVE Thomas Binks Bidwell
Sheaf Eccles
Saka Rudoni Wright
Simms

People may disagree with the Simms shout but in my opinion Bassette is too erratic right now, his runs are all over the place and make it very tough for our midfielders to find him consistently (he’ll get better at that) he’s good in games where we have to play on the counter and look for quick balls in behind but when we have a lot of possession I’m not sure he’s the one, I also don’t think BTA has done enough to deserve a start.

Simms got 20 goals last year he can cut it at this level and proved he can be very effective with Wright, for me give him 6-8 games and let’s see if he can find that form again.

Your most influential players need to play in their best positions, simple as.


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You can also add in EMC, who can only play on the left as well.

I think Wright could possibly still work as a striker, just as long as you allow him to run into channels.

Also agree with the other poster saying Rudoni is an 8.
 
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SAJ

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #4
ms639 said:
This is the hill I am willing to die on. Please tell me what I am not seeing. Why are we not playing our best players in their best positions…

1) MVE - on his day heads and shoulders above any other player in our defensive unit. Play a back 4, play him on the right of that back 4 and let him do what he does best. This back 5 is wank, we are haemorrhaging goals, it doesn’t work.

2) Tats - he plays on the right, he doesn’t work in a 10, he doesn’t work on the left, it’s been tried multiple times play him where he plays best.

3) Haji - play the bloke on the left, 20 goals last year from the left, play him there, he’s our best player, play him where he’s most effective

4) Rudoni - play him in the 10, he isn’t a 6, he isn’t an 8, he’s a 10. He’s a creative player with a wand of a left foot, get him in advanced positions, don’t burden him with doing tonnes of defensive work, play him in the position he was signed to play.

Every signing in the summer was signed around a 4-2-3-1 formation, play that system, let it bed in.

Tell me that this isn’t our best side

GK (fuck knows which one right now)

MVE Thomas Binks Bidwell
Sheaf Eccles
Saka Rudoni Wright
Simms

People may disagree with the Simms shout but in my opinion Bassette is too erratic right now, his runs are all over the place and make it very tough for our midfielders to find him consistently (he’ll get better at that) he’s good in games where we have to play on the counter and look for quick balls in behind but when we have a lot of possession I’m not sure he’s the one, I also don’t think BTA has done enough to deserve a start.

Simms got 20 goals last year he can cut it at this level and proved he can be very effective with Wright, for me give him 6-8 games and let’s see if he can find that form again.

Your most influential players need to play in their best positions, simple as.


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Rudini may have been signed as a 10 but he doesn’t play it very well. He’s far better as an 8.
 
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ms639

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #5
Ccfcisparks said:
Rudoni isn’t a 10 he’s an 8
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If that’s the case do you play him with sheaf and drop Eccles? Who in the 10? Torp?


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Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #6
Lampard is a 433 manager

play

Dovin
MVE Thomas Kitching Bidwell
Sheaf. Eccles
Rudoni
Sakamoto simms wright

until January, see how we improve and then make signings from there
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #7
ms639 said:
If that’s the case do you play him with sheaf and drop Eccles? Who in the 10? Torp?


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Lampard plays 433 which doesn’t play with a 10
 
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ms639

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #8
Ccfcisparks said:
Lampard plays 433 which doesn’t play with a 10
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GK
MVE Thomas Binks Bidwell
Eccles Sheaf Rudoni
Saka Simms Wright

Would take that tbf


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Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #9
ms639 said:
GK
MVE Thomas Binks Bidwell
Eccles Sheaf Rudoni
Saka Simms Wright

Would take that tbf


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Kitching over Binks and that’s what we should play until the new year
 
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ms639

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #10
Ccfcisparks said:
Kitching over Binks and that’s what we should play until the new year
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Kitching has been dreadful when he’s been given the chance, this based on the fact that you don’t think Binks can play in a 4? MR didn’t I guess


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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #11
ms639 said:
If that’s the case do you play him with sheaf and drop Eccles? Who in the 10? Torp?


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You could play two 6's (Sheaf and Eccles) with Rudoni in an 8. You don't need to have a 10, especially if you have thee attacking players in a 4-3-3.

Torp might be able to play 10. Or as an 8 with two 6's. What I didn't understand at the start of the season was why Torp was playing the more defenisve role and Rudoni was in the 10. It would clearly have better suited the two players for them to be the other way round.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 27, 2024
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ms639 said:
Kitching has been dreadful when he’s been given the chance, this based on the fact that you don’t think Binks can play in a 4? MR didn’t I guess


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Kitching and Thomas have been our best defensive partnership when it comes to keeping clean sheets.

Binks is completely overrated
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #13
Personally based on what I’ve read think this will be the line up.

Dovin
Milan - Thomas - Kitching - Bidwell
Sheaf
Eccles - Rudoni
Sakamoto - EMC
Wright

Based on how Lampard wants to play based on analysis from Chelsea, he’ll want the fullbacks to overlap and keep the width as such expect to see Sakamoto and EMC tuck and become more like CAM which is where EMC did his best work at Peterborough.

Rudoni plays as a 8 which in attack is expected to run into the centre making a narrow 4-2-3-1.

Could play Simms in ST but feel EMC suits what Lampard wants and would be a shame not to use him. But could easily see Wright slot into the left wing role, with Simms or Bassette holding the ST role
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #14
ms639 said:
This is the hill I am willing to die on. Please tell me what I am not seeing. Why are we not playing our best players in their best positions…

1) MVE - on his day heads and shoulders above any other player in our defensive unit. Play a back 4, play him on the right of that back 4 and let him do what he does best. This back 5 is wank, we are haemorrhaging goals, it doesn’t work.

2) Tats - he plays on the right, he doesn’t work in a 10, he doesn’t work on the left, it’s been tried multiple times play him where he plays best.

3) Haji - play the bloke on the left, 20 goals last year from the left, play him there, he’s our best player, play him where he’s most effective

4) Rudoni - play him in the 10, he isn’t a 6, he isn’t an 8, he’s a 10. He’s a creative player with a wand of a left foot, get him in advanced positions, don’t burden him with doing tonnes of defensive work, play him in the position he was signed to play.

Every signing in the summer was signed around a 4-2-3-1 formation, play that system, let it bed in.

Tell me that this isn’t our best side

GK (fuck knows which one right now)

MVE Thomas Binks Bidwell
Sheaf Eccles
Saka Rudoni Wright
Simms

People may disagree with the Simms shout but in my opinion Bassette is too erratic right now, his runs are all over the place and make it very tough for our midfielders to find him consistently (he’ll get better at that) he’s good in games where we have to play on the counter and look for quick balls in behind but when we have a lot of possession I’m not sure he’s the one, I also don’t think BTA has done enough to deserve a start.

Simms got 20 goals last year he can cut it at this level and proved he can be very effective with Wright, for me give him 6-8 games and let’s see if he can find that form again.

Your most influential players need to play in their best positions, simple as.


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Agree on all apart from Rudoni. I have no idea what he is, my memory of him before he joined us was of him as a rm/rw.

He underwhelmed at 10 from what I recall this season
 
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ms639

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #15
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Personally based on what I’ve read think this will be the line up.

Dovin
Milan - Thomas - Kitching - Bidwell
Sheaf
Eccles - Rudoni
Sakamoto - EMC
Wright

Based on how Lampard wants to play based on analysis from Chelsea, he’ll want the fullbacks to overlap and keep the width as such expect to see Sakamoto and EMC tuck and become more like CAM which is where EMC did his best work at Peterborough.

Rudoni plays as a 8 which in attack is expected to run into the centre making a narrow 4-2-3-1.

Could play Simms in ST but feel EMC suits what Lampard wants and would be a shame not to use him. But could easily see Wright slot into the left wing role, with Simms or Bassette holding the ST role
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Really don’t think saka suits that position, everytime he’s been central he’s been so poor, would love to be proved wrong. I think if you’re going to go with that formation wright plays in behind simms.


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ms639

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #16
One thing we can all agree on here (seemingly) is that nobody thinks we should be playing a back 5!!!


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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #17
Fair enough on Wright and Simms.

And on tats, that’s solely what he’s wanted at other clubs. He depends on wingers with the opposite foot to cause a lot of his teams ball progression (like wright does for us already tbh). If tats can’t do it, he’ll have to look towards BTA
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #18
ms639 said:
One thing we can all agree on here (seemingly) is that nobody thinks we should be playing a back 5!!!


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It’s such a waste of our attacking talent imo. Especially when we don’t really have a lwb of high calibre. Might of been different if we signed someone like Burrows
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #19
ms639 said:
This is the hill I am willing to die on. Please tell me what I am not seeing. Why are we not playing our best players in their best positions…

1) MVE - on his day heads and shoulders above any other player in our defensive unit. Play a back 4, play him on the right of that back 4 and let him do what he does best. This back 5 is wank, we are haemorrhaging goals, it doesn’t work.

2) Tats - he plays on the right, he doesn’t work in a 10, he doesn’t work on the left, it’s been tried multiple times play him where he plays best.

3) Haji - play the bloke on the left, 20 goals last year from the left, play him there, he’s our best player, play him where he’s most effective

4) Rudoni - play him in the 10, he isn’t a 6, he isn’t an 8, he’s a 10. He’s a creative player with a wand of a left foot, get him in advanced positions, don’t burden him with doing tonnes of defensive work, play him in the position he was signed to play.

Every signing in the summer was signed around a 4-2-3-1 formation, play that system, let it bed in.

Tell me that this isn’t our best side

GK (fuck knows which one right now)

MVE Thomas Binks Bidwell
Sheaf Eccles
Saka Rudoni Wright
Simms

People may disagree with the Simms shout but in my opinion Bassette is too erratic right now, his runs are all over the place and make it very tough for our midfielders to find him consistently (he’ll get better at that) he’s good in games where we have to play on the counter and look for quick balls in behind but when we have a lot of possession I’m not sure he’s the one, I also don’t think BTA has done enough to deserve a start.

Simms got 20 goals last year he can cut it at this level and proved he can be very effective with Wright, for me give him 6-8 games and let’s see if he can find that form again.

Your most influential players need to play in their best positions, simple as.


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Broadly agree but we started the season with that 4 at the back and it wasn't great. Robins changed to a 5 because we were conceding goals/Bidwell got injured and Dasilva can't really play in a 4 (I know what you are thinking!). Agree with others on Rudoni but that's a pretty minor change.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Nov 27, 2024
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I’d even start Binks at LB over JDS to be honest
 
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ms639

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  • Nov 27, 2024
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The watchmaker said:
Broadly agree but we started the season with that 4 at the back and it wasn't great. Robins changed to a 5 because we were conceding goals/Bidwell got injured and Dasilva can't really play in a 4 (I know what you are thinking!). Agree with others on Rudoni but that's a pretty minor change.
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Not sure we gave it long enough and look at the goals we’ve conceded recently in a back 5, it’s not working any better!

JDS unfortunately just isn’t good enough.


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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #22
Ccfcisparks said:
I’d even start Binks at LB over JDS to be honest
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Not sure he would have the pace needed to play as a Lampard lwb considering there the ones responsible for holding the width where as the wingers are quite narrow.

Would be a January signing for me as don’t seem to have the kind of player we need (Dasilva seems to struggle in a back four).
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Nov 27, 2024
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The watchmaker said:
Broadly agree but we started the season with that 4 at the back and it wasn't great. Robins changed to a 5 because we were conceding goals/Bidwell got injured and Dasilva can't really play in a 4 (I know what you are thinking!). Agree with others on Rudoni but that's a pretty minor change.
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Hard for a team to settle when we keep chopping and changing.
 

skybluecam

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #24
ms639 said:
If that’s the case do you play him with sheaf and drop Eccles? Who in the 10? Torp?


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Sheaf or Eccles sitting, the other one + Rudoni or Torp going.
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Nov 27, 2024
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ms639 said:
Not sure we gave it long enough and look at the goals we’ve conceded recently in a back 5, it’s not working any better!

JDS unfortunately just isn’t good enough.


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Yes, obvs new manager but now Bidwell is fit again I would be going with the 4-3-3 team you suggested with iSparks's amendment. I think you can argue Kitching/Binks either way but for me Kitching needs to play his way back into form. He is another player I fear may be sitting out on the basis of more than just footballing talent though.
 

Osabisa3256

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #26
ms639 said:
If that’s the case do you play him with sheaf and drop Eccles? Who in the 10? Torp?


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Yea definitely
 

False9

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #27
Worth noting that Wright has 4 goals in the 6 games where he played in a front two (plus the wrongly disallowed v PNE)

I can see him playing upfront especially if EMC starts to shine.
 
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quinn1971

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  • Nov 27, 2024
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ms639 said:
One thing we can all agree on here (seemingly) is that nobody thinks we should be playing a back 5!!!


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Spot on, you only play a back 5 when you don’t trust your defence, Southgate did it to protect maguire, unfortunately for us we can’t defend with a back 5 either, pretty sure Lampard will go straight to a 442 or 433
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #29
ms639 said:
This is the hill I am willing to die on. Please tell me what I am not seeing. Why are we not playing our best players in their best positions…

1) MVE - on his day heads and shoulders above any other player in our defensive unit. Play a back 4, play him on the right of that back 4 and let him do what he does best. This back 5 is wank, we are haemorrhaging goals, it doesn’t work.

2) Tats - he plays on the right, he doesn’t work in a 10, he doesn’t work on the left, it’s been tried multiple times play him where he plays best.

3) Haji - play the bloke on the left, 20 goals last year from the left, play him there, he’s our best player, play him where he’s most effective

4) Rudoni - play him in the 10, he isn’t a 6, he isn’t an 8, he’s a 10. He’s a creative player with a wand of a left foot, get him in advanced positions, don’t burden him with doing tonnes of defensive work, play him in the position he was signed to play.

Every signing in the summer was signed around a 4-2-3-1 formation, play that system, let it bed in.

Tell me that this isn’t our best side

GK (fuck knows which one right now)

MVE Thomas Binks Bidwell
Sheaf Eccles
Saka Rudoni Wright
Simms

People may disagree with the Simms shout but in my opinion Bassette is too erratic right now, his runs are all over the place and make it very tough for our midfielders to find him consistently (he’ll get better at that) he’s good in games where we have to play on the counter and look for quick balls in behind but when we have a lot of possession I’m not sure he’s the one, I also don’t think BTA has done enough to deserve a start.

Simms got 20 goals last year he can cut it at this level and proved he can be very effective with Wright, for me give him 6-8 games and let’s see if he can find that form again.

Your most influential players need to play in their best positions, simple as.


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You are completely wrong about Rudoni
 
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quinn1971

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #30
fernandopartridge said:
You are completely wrong about Rudoni
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Thing he’s bang on, the little dink for EMCs disallowed goal was quality, that’s where we need him playing, think we’re asking him to do something he doesn’t
 
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Snoogola

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  • Nov 27, 2024
  • #31
quinn1971 said:
Spot on, you only play a back 5 when you don’t trust your defence
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Erm… i don’t see us not having 5 at the back for some time then!!


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quinn1971

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  • Nov 27, 2024
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ms639 said:
This is the hill I am willing to die on. Please tell me what I am not seeing. Why are we not playing our best players in their best positions…

1) MVE - on his day heads and shoulders above any other player in our defensive unit. Play a back 4, play him on the right of that back 4 and let him do what he does best. This back 5 is wank, we are haemorrhaging goals, it doesn’t work.

2) Tats - he plays on the right, he doesn’t work in a 10, he doesn’t work on the left, it’s been tried multiple times play him where he plays best.

3) Haji - play the bloke on the left, 20 goals last year from the left, play him there, he’s our best player, play him where he’s most effective

4) Rudoni - play him in the 10, he isn’t a 6, he isn’t an 8, he’s a 10. He’s a creative player with a wand of a left foot, get him in advanced positions, don’t burden him with doing tonnes of defensive work, play him in the position he was signed to play.

Every signing in the summer was signed around a 4-2-3-1 formation, play that system, let it bed in.

Tell me that this isn’t our best side

GK (fuck knows which one right now)

MVE Thomas Binks Bidwell
Sheaf Eccles
Saka Rudoni Wright
Simms

People may disagree with the Simms shout but in my opinion Bassette is too erratic right now, his runs are all over the place and make it very tough for our midfielders to find him consistently (he’ll get better at that) he’s good in games where we have to play on the counter and look for quick balls in behind but when we have a lot of possession I’m not sure he’s the one, I also don’t think BTA has done enough to deserve a start.

Simms got 20 goals last year he can cut it at this level and proved he can be very effective with Wright, for me give him 6-8 games and let’s see if he can find that form again.

Your most influential players need to play in their best positions, simple as.


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Can’t argue with any of that, put Bassette in for simms and I’d say that’s our best 11
 
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quinn1971

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  • Nov 27, 2024
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Snoogola said:
Erm… i don’t see us not having 5 at the back for some time then!!


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I know it’s mad, play 5 at the back so you don’t concede, we do the opposite, pretty sure we’ll be a back 4 Saturday,just need to get the centre half pairing right, if that’s possible ?
 
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nicksar

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  • Nov 28, 2024
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Ccfcisparks said:
Lampard plays 433 which doesn’t play with a 10
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Spot on.
 
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Monty

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  • Nov 28, 2024
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There are free agents available that would resolve some of the issues.
Dele Alli wouldn't want personally but has worked with Frank before.
Ryan Kent
Leonardo Lopes
Brandon Williams - a left back he may have attitude issues but come on a left back
Daniel Amartey CB
 
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