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Covkid1968#

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  • May 21, 2024
  • #36
Just reading a very good environmental book….the rate we are burning through our fossil fuel is terrifying . I suspect Flying will get very very expensive unless we find the holy grail of the light long haul battery.

I do quite like flying… it’s knowing you are off to somewhere better.
 
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Tea & Busquets

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  • May 21, 2024
  • #37
Cars are more dangerous than planes. Won’t get in a chopper though.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • May 21, 2024
  • #38
The story from today is absolutely bullshit by the way. The media are well on the fear game. Two key points that are being missed; the first that the passenger died of a heart attack, secondly that the '6000ft drop' was part of the descent after starting the divertion to Bangkok.

The turbulence may have been bad earlier on, but one passenger said in an interview it wasn't too bad at all. Given that they announced that they were diverting after the drop, and there is a bizarre focus on the seat belt sign (which the captain would not put on unless the turbulence was predicted, or they were already going through it). My guess is that they diverted due to the medical emergency, and put it into a stupidly heavy descent, just after putting the seat belt sign on (many people still milling about with not enough time to react).

The story as it is at the moment doesn't make any sense by aviation standards. The fact a retired captain also came on BBC and sheepishly said the crew did well as they had to 'aviate the plane first' is another indicator there's an investigation coming and the pilot actions will come under scrutiny.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 21, 2024
  • #39
Love flying, just hate being locked in a tube with other people for hours on end. I always get stuck either next to me or the row in front or behind with coughy McCoughs a lot or two old dears talking about all the medicine they’re on.
 
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Otis

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #40
skybluetony176 said:
Love flying, just hate being locked in a tube with other people for hours on end. I always get stuck either next to me or the row in front or behind with coughy McCoughs a lot or two old dears talking about all the medicine they’re on.
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What else I am supposed to talk about?

Life is boring at my age.
 
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BodicoteSkyBlue

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #41
Doesn’t overly bother me. Fly often for work, just get on and usually go to sleep. The hanging about at airports & security ect pisses me off the most.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #42
SBT said:
Also worth mentioning that this precise scenario did happen with a flight from Toronto to Lisbon, which lost both engines because of a fuel leak. They managed to land the plane on an airbase in the Azores. Happened about three weeks before 9/11.

Air Transat Flight 236 - Wikipedia

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The landing reads like something out of Thunderbirds.
 

AOM

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #43
Used to quite like flying and done a few long haul flights, but think since the lockdown where I didn't get on a plane for 2 years, I've hated it.
Doesn't matter how many videos and articles from experts or pilots I've seen saying how safe it is and how the plane works, once there's any sudden movement in the sky, I'm starting to get anxious.

Think it's a combination of the lack of control when you're up there, being in a confined space you can't leave for hours and the massive gap of nothingness from the ground.
Flying hungover is also awful.

Saying that, I will still get on flights for holidays
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #44
AOM said:
Used to quite like flying and done a few long haul flights, but think since the lockdown where I didn't get on a plane for 2 years, I've hated it.
Doesn't matter how many videos and articles from experts or pilots I've seen saying how safe it is and how the plane works, once there's any sudden movement in the sky, I'm starting to get anxious.

Think it's a combination of the lack of control when you're up there, being in a confined space you can't leave for hours and the massive gap of nothingness from the ground.
Flying hungover is also awful.

Saying that, I will still get on flights for holidays
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Yep, i feel you completely. I know of a few people who used to love flying but then when they've gotten older and had kids they've started to dislike it more.

Being aware of your own mortality more as we age or have kids maybe?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 22, 2024
  • #45
Saddlebrains said:
Yep, i feel you completely. I know of a few people who used to love flying but then when they've gotten older and had kids they've started to dislike it more.

Being aware of your own mortality more as we age or have kids maybe?
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If that was the case you’d never get in a car again either, it’s far, far more likely to result in death.
 

ccfctommy

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #46
Liquid Gold said:
I like the turbulence. Like a free little rollercoaster.
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Oh I hate that! Especially when it happens when you are in the teeny tiny Jet 2 bathroom
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #47
Sick Boy said:
If that was the case you’d never get in a car again either, it’s far, far more likely to result in death.
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Agree statistically yes. But with driving there ate a few things why people dont bat an eyelid but do on planes

Can get out when you want
You're in control of the vehicle (granted not the others)
You're on the ground
And lastly if you have a crash at say 60 70 you've still got a decent chance of surviving. Crashing in a plane theres no way
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #48
Don't mind the flying part, its the whole airport experience I can't fucking abide....
 

AOM

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #49
Saddlebrains said:
Agree statistically yes. But with driving there ate a few things why people dont bat an eyelid but do on planes

Can get out when you want
You're in control of the vehicle (granted not the others)
You're on the ground
And lastly if you have a crash at say 60 70 you've still got a decent chance of surviving. Crashing in a plane theres no way
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Yeah you're statistically much more likely to die driving on the way to the airport than on the plane, but I still feel so much safer in the car.
All the scientific evidence and engineering of a plane just goes out the window when there's a bit of turbulence.

Funnily enough, I think I'd feel a lot better if I could either sit with the pilots or I was actually flying it.
Don't think everyone else on easyjet would be up for that though
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 22, 2024
  • #50
Saddlebrains said:
Agree statistically yes. But with driving there ate a few things why people dont bat an eyelid but do on planes

Can get out when you want
You're in control of the vehicle (granted not the others)
You're on the ground
And lastly if you have a crash at say 60 70 you've still got a decent chance of surviving. Crashing in a plane theres no way
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I know what you mean but looking at the number of flights that happen each year (38.9m in 2019) and the number of fatal crashes puts it into perspective.
 
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Ccfcsj

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #51
I haven't done it in years and have always been more nervous in the airport than on the plane.

This year I'm flying to Malta in a few weeks and am more nervous on packing the right things (medication etc), getting through the airport etc. Once on the plane I'll be more relaxed. First time though flying for my wife - she's a mix of excitement and nerves
 
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clint van damme

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #52
I never used to care about flying until I was on a flight that did what this Singapore flight did and dropped several thousand feet, (obviously not as extreme as this incident).
The plane dropped and a second later a stewardess hit the deck and the in flight meals were reunited with the seat trays!
Still fly but not quite as gung ho about it as I used to be.
.
 
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SBT

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #53
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Don't mind the flying part, its the whole airport experience I can't fucking abide....
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I quite like airports. Nothing better than killing a couple of hours at a well-catered airport that’s not too busy.
 

ovduk78

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #54
Only like the take off and landing, hate the bit in the middle as well as all the shit at the airport. It wouldn't bother me if I never flew again although I nearly flew down for a game last season as it was around £50 return from Glasgow. We've been skiing in the Alps a few times and if we lived in the Midlands I would definitely have considered driving.
 
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SBT

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #55
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The turbulence may have been bad earlier on, but one passenger said in an interview it wasn't too bad at all. Given that they announced that they were diverting after the drop, and there is a bizarre focus on the seat belt sign (which the captain would not put on unless the turbulence was predicted, or they were already going through it). My guess is that they diverted due to the medical emergency, and put it into a stupidly heavy descent, just after putting the seat belt sign on (many people still milling about with not enough time to react).
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Doesn’t sound like this pilot theory was the case - the plane was experiencing unexpected drops in altitude amid severe thunderstorms, the (controlled) 6000ft drop didn’t happen until afterwards and was a completely standard autopilot manoeuvre.

1 dead, dozens injured in SQ321 turbulence | Flightradar24 Blog

1 person died and dozens were injured when Singapore Airlines flight SQ321 experienced turbulence near Thailand.
www.flightradar24.com
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 22, 2024
  • #56
SBT said:
I quite like airports. Nothing better than killing a couple of hours at a well-catered airport that’s not too busy.
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It’s fine when there’s a reasonably priced bar without glaring stares.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #57
Ccfcsj said:
I haven't done it in years and have always been more nervous in the airport than on the plane.

This year I'm flying to Malta in a few weeks and am more nervous on packing the right things (medication etc), getting through the airport etc. Once on the plane I'll be more relaxed. First time though flying for my wife - she's a mix of excitement and nerves
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Yeah I'd be nervous too if I had to get my "medication" through the airport.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #58
Don’t mind it at all. Lived in a few places around the world and flown to and from Australia a few times and to/from the US more times that I can count. Have to say flying business is a whole different world and infinitely better.

I understand nervousness and hesitation about flying (as my friend says lit’s witchcraft - there are no feathers and the wings don’t move”) but I can’t get my head around people not travelling around this tiny little planet of ours because of it. Surely just look at the statistics?

Sketchiest flight has to be landing in Madeira…took us a couple of goes as we kept running out of runway
 
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LastGarrison

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #59
robbiekeane said:
Don’t mind it at all. Lived in a few places around the world and flown to and from Australia a few times and to/from the US more times that I can count. Have to say flying business is a whole different world and infinitely better.

I understand nervousness and hesitation about flying (as my friend says lit’s witchcraft - there are no feathers and the wings don’t move”) but I can’t get my head around people not travelling around this tiny little planet of ours because of it. Surely just look at the statistics?

Sketchiest flight has to be landing in Madeira…took us a couple of goes as we kept running out of runway
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Got upgraded to business flying from Dhaka to Dubai and have to agree it is a totally different experience!

I spent mine sprawled out watching Palace/Brighton live on the tv whilst swigging Ciroc and eating tuna steak with a proper knife and fork whilst WhatsApping the Missus at home to rub it in using the WiFi.


 
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Liquid Gold

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #60
Internal flights seem to be a recurring theme of the worst ones.

I've done a lot of internal 1 hour flights in Africa where flying is the only real option as the road infrastructure is terrible that I wouldn't recommend to a nervous flyer.
 
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wingy

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #61
Liquid Gold said:
I like the turbulence. Like a free little rollercoaster.
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Used to love those little Bae 1-11's back from from Paris late around midnight with Jersey European,pissed up cabin staff ( Irish) on a Friday, exactly that sensation skipping along the cloud's!!
 
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AOM

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #62
Sick Boy said:
I know what you mean but looking at the number of flights that happen each year (38.9m in 2019) and the number of fatal crashes puts it into perspective.
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I don't think a plane has ever been brought down by turbulence and the fact yesterdays incident is such big news shows how rare it is.
Still doesn't make me feel better though
 

Grendel

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #63
Sick Boy said:
It’s fine when there’s a reasonably priced bar without glaring stares.
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Business lounges was where it all started to go wrong
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #64
SBT said:
Doesn’t sound like this pilot theory was the case - the plane was experiencing unexpected drops in altitude amid severe thunderstorms, the (controlled) 6000ft drop didn’t happen until afterwards and was a completely standard autopilot manoeuvre.

1 dead, dozens injured in SQ321 turbulence | Flightradar24 Blog

1 person died and dozens were injured when Singapore Airlines flight SQ321 experienced turbulence near Thailand.
www.flightradar24.com
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The information being released is pretty amateur, so I am just coming up with realistic theories based on the data and also what people have said (which is interesting as most people are clueless about flying, even the ones on the plane it happened with, so it isn't really reliable). That said, a few things don't match up. Going by one passenger's own account, people got hurt and were doing cartwheels during the '6000 ft drop' (which was part of the actual descent) this was after the so called severe turbulence. Looking at the data, the pilot-instructed descent happened 14 minutes after this period of severe turbulence (where the flight bounced around quite badly for a minute or two - and it did according to FR24 data). Another passenger has also said that this wasn't too bad however.

Singapore Airlines will know exactly what has happened, but the fact they aren't saying anything useful whilst the media are getting things wrong or giving the microphone to unqualified people is a bit suspicious at worst, frustrating at best. There's potentially some criticism coming the way of the airline or flight crew, and given that they have a fatality, are probably being appropriately quiet.

Another factor is that the altitude and vertical speed (which was pretty typical for a B777) may not paint such a full picture over a shorter period of time, especially in an area where ADS-B coverage isn't great (this is what Fight Radar 24 uses). Spikes happen regularly, for example, and their blog is always full of people posting stuff about planes dropping out of the sky, when in actual fact there was a lag or poor data for moments here or there.

I still suspect something is off about this. 'One dies during turbulence' doesn't sit right with me, especially as it seems like he had a heart attack. Either the diversion was attempted due to medical emergency aggressively without much warning to the passengers (which caused the wreck to the cabin and the actual turbulence is a bit of a red herring), or simply the turbulence was actually bad, but the weather should have been clear, but not acted upon and avoided. I'll be watching it unfold with interest!
 
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Bertola

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #65
Generally ok with flying, but definitely been a bit more wary since a couple of flights with bad turbulence that made my arse twitch.

Was on a flight back from Dublin a few month ago, with a woman who was completely petrified, so much so, her fella asked if she could hold my hand as well as his! She was in tears, and panicking as soon as she got on the plan, wanted updates every couple of minutes as to whether we were over land or sea, even panicked that we were ahead of schedule. Felt awful for her as it genuinely seemed to be one of the worst things she'd ever done
 
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Grendel

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #66
robbiekeane said:
Don’t mind it at all. Lived in a few places around the world and flown to and from Australia a few times and to/from the US more times that I can count. Have to say flying business is a whole different world and infinitely better.

I understand nervousness and hesitation about flying (as my friend says lit’s witchcraft - there are no feathers and the wings don’t move”) but I can’t get my head around people not travelling around this tiny little planet of ours because of it. Surely just look at the statistics?

Sketchiest flight has to be landing in Madeira…took us a couple of goes as we kept running out of runway
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The one issue generally is as soon as the seatbelt sign is off that’s it and everyone starts wandering around like it’s a shopping mall.

Emirates have a bar in business class and you can stand by it like it’s a pub.

The lesson I guess is people should remain belted - even loosely - unless necessary
 
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robbiekeane

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #67
Grendel said:
The one issue generally is as soon as the seatbelt sign is off that’s it and everyone starts wandering around like it’s a shopping mall.

Emirates have a bar in business class and you can stand by it like it’s a pub.

The lesson I guess is people should remain belted - even loosely - unless necessary
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That’s kind of crazy to think that’s an option, never flown emirates business. I always just put my seatbelt on extremely loosely not even because of safety necessarily but because I find it so hard to get to sleep that I used to hate being woken up to put it on.

Glad I made that habit after this

Strangely I always used to fly Singapore airlines it’s one of my preferred for long haul
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 22, 2024
  • #68
robbiekeane said:
That’s kind of crazy to think that’s an option, never flown emirates business. I always just put my seatbelt on extremely loosely not even because of safety necessarily but because I find it so hard to get to sleep that I used to hate being woken up to put it on.

Glad I made that habit after this

Strangely I always used to fly Singapore airlines it’s one of my preferred for long haul
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Singapore Airlines is by far my favourite and they basically let you treat the back of a plane like a bar…if you’re charming enough
 

Mr Panda

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #69
I used to be really anxious about flying but what works for me is that once I’m up in the air, if something terrible happens it’s entirely out of my control and I can’t do anything about it. Somehow that has relaxed me and I don’t mind it anymore

Granted that kind of thinking won’t work for everyone
 
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Tommo1993

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  • May 22, 2024
  • #70
Always saw it as if something go really wrong on the road, survival chances can still be alright. Step on a plane though, you’re pretty fucked if it goes that wrong. Only issue I had once was the plane I was on to Turkey dropped 1300ft in 6 seconds, which was a shock. As someone has said, flying transatlantic you think about all that time over that water and your mind wanders.

Despite that, I’m okay with flying. It’s boring more than anything. Felt more vulnerable in a helicopter flying over Grand Canyon. The bigger problem is the airport - too many people think they’re the only ones flying or have somewhere important to go. So they’re rushing, being generally impatient and rude.
 
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