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  • Start date Dec 27, 2016
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Wheelfass

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  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #211
Wheelfass said:
Show me......give me solid proof....... that my ticket money goes to the running of CCFC and NOT SISU /Joy.
Please try to answer correctly without any deflections or questions.
Bet you can't.
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Nick said:
Who is paying the players wages, who pays for the staff, who pays for the running costs of the club?

I can fully understand if we had 32,000 season tickets and the playing budget was the same as it is now.

The fact people seem to get offended or wound up after they make statements saying my money is going to SISU and I all I do is ask how.
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I knew you wouldn't be able to do it
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #212
Wheelfass said:
Show me......give me solid proof....... that my ticket money goes to the running of CCFC and NOT SISU /Joy.
Please try to answer correctly without any deflections or questions.
Bet you can't.
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Top post Wheelfass... About time Nick answered some posts instead of the perpetual asking questions and deflecting. So Nick! what do you have to say this time?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #213
Sky Blue Kid said:
Top post Wheelfass... About time Nick answered some posts instead of the perpetual asking questions and deflecting. So Nick! what do you have to say this time?
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When I start making statements telling others then feel free to question me on it?
 

Wheelfass

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  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #214
Wheelfass said:
Where do you get this figure from. Have you any proof or are you just guessing.
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Nick said:
Oh dear, you are getting a bit touchy because I asked how my money is going to SISU and not CCFC.

Why would I be guessing?

The club gets a grant, the club then matches it.
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You're guessing because you really don't know and just plucked a figure out of the air.
Oh........and because being controversial keeps generating posts for your forum.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #215
Wheelfass said:
I knew you wouldn't be able to do it
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So to be correct, the whole "your money goes to SISU" stuff is based on a reply of "so tell me it isn't" after somebody makes the statement? Imagine the fun that could be had with that logic?
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #216
Nick said:
When I start making statements telling others then feel free to question me on it?
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I'll take that as "No Comment" then? Or is it You can't?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #217
Wheelfass said:
You're guessing because you really don't know and just plucked a figure out of the air.
Oh........and because being controversial keeps generating posts for your forum.
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I didn't pick a figure out of the air did I?

So, what is put in for the academy if I am just guessing. Welcome to correct me?

How is it being controversial to say that we put in and it gets matched by the authorities (PL or FA)? It has come to something where it causes controversy where somebody states the truth.
 
Last edited: Dec 28, 2016

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #218
Sky Blue Kid said:
I'll take that as "No Comment" then? Or is it You can't?
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Can people really not see the logic that's flying about?

I am not throwing statements out like they are fact.

Why do people get so touchy after people get questioned on a statement they made that they can't back up?
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #219
Nick said:
So to be correct, the whole "your money goes to SISU" stuff is based on a reply of "so tell me it isn't" after somebody makes the statement? Imagine the fun that could be had with that logic?
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You're doing the exact same when asked for proof that it goes to CCFC.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #220
skybluebeduff said:
You're doing the exact same when asked for proof that it goes to CCFC.
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Apart from I'm not the one throwing statements out there am I? I am asking somebody else how.

I could say you have done all sorts, the onus is then on me to prove that you did it rather than just say "prove you didn't". Hence I said the fun that could be had with the logic of making statements and not having to back them up.
 

chickentikkamasala

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #221
Wheelfass said:
You're guessing because you really don't know and just plucked a figure out of the air.
Oh........and because being controversial keeps generating posts for your forum.
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Like the Telegraph has an agenda with its click bait, I have often wondered if 2 people on this very forum also have an agenda. Keeps the traffic rolling, keeps the debates flowing and keeps the post counts up

Often the the very people that ask for evidence to back up others theories, lack any factual evidence when stating their own.

I am not too sure if this site has advertising as I use ad blockers, so would clicks on this site generate an income Nick?
 
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skybluebeduff

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  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #222
Nick said:
Apart from I'm not the one throwing statements out there am I? I am asking somebody else how.

I could say you have done all sorts, the onus is then on me to prove that you did it rather than just say "prove you didn't". Hence I said the fun that could be had with the logic of making statements and not having to back them up.
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So it's a subject that no-one can seem to prove on either side, so it's a flawed argument and pointless debate.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #223
chickentikkamasala said:
Like the Telegraph has an agenda with its click bait, I have often wondered if 2 people on this very forum also have an agenda. Keeps the traffic rolling, keeps the debates flowing and keeps the post counts up

Often the the very people that ask for evidence to back up others theories, lack any factual evidence when stating their own.

I am not too sure if this site has advertising as I use ad blockers, so would clicks on this site generate an income Nick?
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OK, so how much does the academy cost the club then and how much does the PL put in? If I said it just to keep posts going and cause controversy.

The ads that are on here go towards paying for the server and any development costs I can't do and prediction league prizes.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #224
You say tomato, I say tomato.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #225
skybluebeduff said:
So it's a subject that no-one can seem to prove on either side, so it's a flawed argument and pointless debate.
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So it means people can keep telling me my ticket money is going to SISU when they have no idea?

If my ticket money goes to SISU, who then pays the running costs of the club?

Why is it so controversial to ask somebody about statements they keep making? If I kept making them and telling others then I would expect to be asked about it, or at least how I came to that conclusion surely?
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #226
Nick said:
Can people really not see the logic that's flying about?

I am not throwing statements out like they are fact.

Why do people get so touchy after people get questioned on a statement they made that they can't back up?
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You're saying?... Look! You've been asked to prove that your ST's money doesn't go to SISU... You're quick enough to say "Prove it doesn't go to CCFC" you've had the question reversed but can't or won't answer. simple as that!
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #227
Sky Blue Kid said:
You're saying?
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Which statement? Do you mean the one I just made about the academy that wheelfass thinks was said to cause controversy and that I plucked from the air?

I am just waiting for him to correct me with the facts
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #228
Just editted my post.. Make sense now?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #229
Sky Blue Kid said:
Just editted my post.. Make sense now?
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No, because you are still missing what is being said.

Somebody says "you are giving your money to SISU" and I asked how. They made the statement and I asked how. I have also asked questions in reply to try and find out more.

You can't just use that as a defence, hence like I just said i could make all sorts of statements about you without actually knowing. The onus would be on me to prove them wouldn't it?

I made a statement about the money from the Premier League not being all of it, but towards it and the club needing to match it. I have been told I made it up and plucked it from thin air, I am more than willing to back that statement up.

That's how it works
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #230
Nick said:
Which statement? Do you mean the one I just made about the academy that wheelfass thinks was said to cause controversy and that I plucked from the air?

I am just waiting for him to correct me with the facts
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BTW.. You're nearly £100k over the actual price of funding by the Premier League. It's just under £500k pa
 
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Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #231
Nick said:
No, because you are still missing what is being said.

Somebody says "you are giving your money to SISU" and I asked how. They made the statement and I asked how. I have also asked questions in reply to try and find out more.

You can't just use that as a defence, hence like I just said i could make all sorts of statements about you without actually knowing. The onus would be on me to prove them wouldn't it?

I made a statement about the money from the Premier League not being all of it, but towards it and the club needing to match it. I have been told I made it up and plucked it from thin air, I am more than willing to back that statement up.

That's how it works
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No mate, it's YOU that's missing the point. Wheelfass asked you to prove that your ST's money ISN'T going to SISU. No different to you asking someone to "Prove" that it is
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #232
Sky Blue Kid said:
No mate, it's YOU that's missing the point. Wheelfass asked you to prove that your ST's money ISN'T going to SISU. No different to you asking someone to "Prove" that it is
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Are you really struggling to see the difference between somebody making a statement and somebody asking for more information?
 

chickentikkamasala

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #233
Nick said:
OK, so how much does the academy cost the club then and how much does the PL put in? If I said it just to keep posts going and cause controversy.

The ads that are on here go towards paying for the server and any development costs I can't do and prediction league prizes.
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I only asked one question Nick, the other part was a theoretical statement.

I was the host to 2 forums way back in the 90's and early 2000's (ironically a CCFC forum was one). I understand that the hosting servers cost money alongside the software
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #234
Sky Blue Kid said:
BTW.. You're nearly £100k over the actual price of funding by the Premier League. It's just under £500k pa
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Wasps to press ahead with £7m training centre at CCFC academy
What would Category 2 Academy Status mean for Bristol Rovers?
Coventry City Academy: How much money has it made the Sky Blues?

Hardly plucked a figure from mid air
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #235
chickentikkamasala said:
I only asked one question Nick, the other part was a theoretical statement.

I was the host to 2 forums way back in the 90's and early 2000's (ironically a CCFC forum was one). I understand that the hosting servers cost money alongside the software
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You jumped in on Wheelfass trying to make out it was being controversial and I was making things up to get posts?

There are many better ways to get posts and traffic if that was the sole aim
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #236
Nick said:
Are you really struggling to see the difference between somebody making a statement and somebody asking for more information?
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Hahaha I'm not struggling to see anything Nick, but it seems that you are. It works like this.... you asked........ Fuck it I give up!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #237
Sky Blue Kid said:
Hahaha I'm not struggling to see anything Nick, but it seems that you are. It works like this.... you asked........ Fuck it I give up!
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Yes, the person who makes a statement has the onus on them to back it up, prove it or show some workings out. I have asked questions about it, like if my money goes to sisu who pays the players and the running costs etc.

Otherwise, it would be front page on here tomorrow that you finger dogs. Unless of course you can prove to me you have never ever fingered a dog?
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #238
Nick said:
Wasps to press ahead with £7m training centre at CCFC academy
What would Category 2 Academy Status mean for Bristol Rovers?
Coventry City Academy: How much money has it made the Sky Blues?

Hardly plucked a figure from mid air
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Bollocks... That's the price of 2x Romain Vincelots.
 

chickentikkamasala

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #239
Nick said:
You jumped in on Wheelfass trying to make out it was being controversial and I was making things up to get posts?

There are many better ways to get posts and traffic if that was the sole aim
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Sole aim or partial aim ?

Nick said:
Wasps to press ahead with £7m training centre at CCFC academy
What would Category 2 Academy Status mean for Bristol Rovers?
Coventry City Academy: How much money has it made the Sky Blues?

Hardly plucked a figure from mid air
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The Telegraph site is factual now? ironically written by Simon Gilbert
 
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Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #240
Nick said:
Yes, the person who makes a statement has the onus on them to back it up, prove it or show some workings out. I have asked questions about it, like if my money goes to sisu who pays the players and the running costs etc.

Otherwise, it would be front page on here tomorrow that you finger dogs. Unless of course you can prove to me you have never ever fingered a dog?
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Which is what Wheelfass asked YOU to do. Why don't you "Back up" your statement then.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #241
chickentikkamasala said:
Sole aim or partial aim ?



The Telegraph site is factual now? ironically written by Simon Gilbert
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And quotes, and other sources

My aim is to provide somewhere for fans to talk about ccfc as it always has been. If it was about post numbers and member numbers etc then there would be much better ways (and better ways of managing time) than me correcting somebody about the academy costs
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #242
Sky Blue Kid said:
Which is what Wheelfass asked YOU to do. Why don't you "Back up" your statement then.
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Because I was the one asking about the statements that keep getting made that nobody will explain.

I backed up the one about the academy costs.

You didn't prove to me you didn't finger dogs either.

People's logic really is baffling.
 

Wheelfass

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #243
CONVERSATION WITH NICK.

Wheelfass: Hello Nick. How was your Christmas?

Nick: You tell me how your Christmas was and how you even knew that it was Christmas? You haven't even explained whether you even support Christmas or not have you?

Wheelfass: I was only enquiring if you had.............

Nick: Anyway, I don't like your Trilby!!
 
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chickentikkamasala

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #244
Nick said:
Because I was the one asking about the statements that keep getting made that nobody will explain.

I backed up the one about the academy costs.

You didn't prove to me you didn't finger dogs either.

People's logic really is baffling.
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bawtryneal

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 28, 2016
  • #245
Grendel said:
She is hanging around as she is the controller of the primary investment into the club.

It's pretty obvious no new investment is going into the club and pretty obvious that the low levels of turnover would make a percentage payment back pointless.
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Agree Grendel, so why hang around apart from the perceived court room option.
 
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