Fisher has done his job, we are finished. (6 Viewers)

simple_simon · Jun 20, 2013

Fisher set out to bring down ACL and divide the supporters. He has done half of that so far.
Those who support the move and are behind SISU are just adding to a lingering death.
It does not matter what fans say about following the team, we are finished as a club as soon as we leave the City.

RFC · Jun 20, 2013

So why don't those on here 'lobby' both the Council & ACL to negociate a 'sensible' rent and allow CCFC access to ALL revenue streams then the owners woulnn't have been forced into ground share & building a new stadium!

stupot07 · Jun 20, 2013

I hope someone's hidden the razor blades.....

Buster · Jun 20, 2013

RFC said:
So why don't those on here 'lobby' both the Council & ACL to negociate a 'sensible' rent and allow CCFC access to ALL revenue streams then the owners woulnn't have been forced into ground share & building a new stadium!

What would you call "sensible"

db2013 · Jun 20, 2013

IMO CCC and ACL should let the city have access to all revenue streams for one year, then let Timmy boy show how incompetent he and his idiotic colleagues can mess everything up when they get what the want!

Flying Fokker · Jun 20, 2013

RFC said:
So why don't those on here 'lobby' both the Council & ACL to negociate a 'sensible' rent and allow CCFC access to ALL revenue streams then the owners woulnn't have been forced into ground share & building a new stadium!

Hold on a sec......Hmm, that's a really good idea! Maybe ACL could cut the original rent by 66% and then see what the club says?

Oh.....Bollocks, it's been done before. Can't trust ACL can we?

CJ_covblaze · Jun 20, 2013

Yes in an ideal world the revenue steams would be helpful but would 100-150k really make that much difference? Barely pays the wages of a player at the bottom end of the scale.

stupot07 · Jun 20, 2013

CJ_covblaze said:
Yes in an ideal world the revenue steams would be helpful but would 100-150k really make that much difference? Barely pays the wages of a player at the bottom end of the scale.

It's not £100-150k profit although you'd make more profit of you did it yourself rather than through compass, it's more the £800k-£1m income to put towards ffp.

Grendel · Jun 20, 2013

Flying Fokker said:
Hold on a sec......Hmm, that's a really good idea! Maybe ACL could cut the original rent by 66% and then see what the club says?

Oh.....Bollocks, it's been done before. Can't trust ACL can we?

No it's disgusting. It's an admission the original rent was a sham and a disgrace. The club should be allowed 7 years free in recognition of over payments made.

It's only because of clowns like you that salivate at the mention of ACL that they get away with it.

CJ_covblaze · Jun 20, 2013

stupot07 said:
It's not £100-150k profit although you'd make more profit of you did it yourself rather than through compass, it's more the £800k-£1m income to put towards ffp.

I agree however for that to happen the club needs to negotiate with Compass. Nothing ACL can do about it.

stupot07 · Jun 20, 2013

CJ_covblaze said:
I agree however for that to happen the club needs to negotiate with Compass. Nothing ACL can do about it.

ACL own 77% of the shares so are the major share holder

valiant15 · Jun 20, 2013

Grendel said:
No it's disgusting. It's an admission the original rent was a sham and a disgrace. The club should be allowed 7 years free in recognition of over payments made.

It's only because of clowns like you that salivate at the mention of ACL that they get away with it.

Id agree with that as long as the 7 years worth of rent was put back into the team.

simple_simon · Jun 20, 2013

RFC said:
So why don't those on here 'lobby' both the Council & ACL to negociate a 'sensible' rent and allow CCFC access to ALL revenue streams then the owners woulnn't have been forced into ground share & building a new stadium!

They knew what the rent was when took over the club, also why did they not take the offer of reduced rent,.
On another note if you do not agree, you talk about it not just stop axing.

simple_simon · Jun 20, 2013

Grendel said:
No it's disgusting. It's an admission the original rent was a sham and a disgrace. The club should be allowed 7 years free in recognition of over payments made.

It's only because of clowns like you that salivate at the mention of ACL that they get away with it.

But it was a contract right or not. If I did not pay my rent I would be thrown out, I would negotiate.

simple_simon · Jun 20, 2013

As I said at start Fisher had divided the fans.

CJ_covblaze · Jun 20, 2013

stupot07 said:
ACL own 77% of the shares so are the major share holder

Again correct but ACL still couldn't offer all of the profits. Some deal would still need to take place with Compass

CJ_covblaze · Jun 20, 2013

simple_simon said:
As I said at start Fisher had divided the fans.

Couldn't agree more. Not the only one at the club/SISU to blame though. Certain individuals don't even get a mention.

lordsummerisle · Jun 20, 2013

simple_simon said:
They knew what the rent was when took over the club, also why did they not take the offer of reduced rent,.
On another note if you do not agree, you talk about it not just stop axing.

Did you see the offer?

Which would charge the club extra the more fans that were brought in?

Commericially madness from both sides.

ajsccfc · Jun 20, 2013

My God, there are some tarts here.

Godiva · Jun 20, 2013

Flying Fokker said:
Hold on a sec......Hmm, that's a really good idea! Maybe ACL could cut the original rent by 66% and then see what the club says?

Oh.....Bollocks, it's been done before. Can't trust ACL can we?

Or maybe the club and ccc could agree to let sisu buy the mortgage out of Yorkshire Bank and write it off. Then the club could buy the Higgs shares and as the mortgage is gone both ccc and the club would have an increase in assets. And as the club would then have access to all F/B revenue as well as benefit from all year activities, then the club would have a large FFP capped wage budget and could field a competitive team.

Oh .... Bollocks. It almost happened. But then ACL chairman became director at Yorkshire Bank and CCC rescued YB from losses and took over the mortgage. And ACL sold off 70% of the F/B revenue. And CCC refused to have anything to do with sisu. Can't trust politicians can we?

simple_simon · Jun 20, 2013

lordsummerisle said:
Did you see the offer?

Which would charge the club extra the more fans that were brought in?

Commericially madness from both sides.

So who would you believe?

lordsummerisle · Jun 20, 2013

simple_simon said:
So who would you believe?

That waspart of the "final" offer from ACL, after which there were to be no more negotiations according to ACL.

You'd almost think that ACL didn't want to agree a deal with that sort of offer wouldn't you?

Flying Fokker · Jun 20, 2013

Grendel said:
No it's disgusting. It's an admission the original rent was a sham and a disgrace. The club should be allowed 7 years free in recognition of over payments made.

It's only because of clowns like you that salivate at the mention of ACL that they get away with it.

Salivate, big word to use for you Grendel. Go and suppoort Walsall CCFC. See who the clown is then.

skyblue2k · Jun 20, 2013

Grendel said:
No it's disgusting. It's an admission the original rent was a sham and a disgrace. The club should be allowed 7 years free in recognition of over payments made.

It's only because of clowns like you that salivate at the mention of ACL that they get away with it.

They we're offered reduced rent pre sisu and turned it down, acl wanted to set in place rent based on league, position and attendance. Ccfc pre sisu sold 50% acl to Higgs charity and agreed a set structure to buy that share back. The Higgs is a charity and have not made any profit and lost interest on the £6.5 million that went to ccfc. So if anyone wants this back, they have to pay back that £6.5 million plus interest

skyblue2k · Jun 20, 2013

Our troubles all go back to when the stadium was built and they let the council pay to decontaminate the land. Nothing should have happened without an agreement in place.

Hells_Bells299 · Jun 20, 2013

The food & beverage is smoke and mirrors for the stadium - SISU have wanted it since 2007, the higgs charity won't sell to them due to no regeneration of the area, as originally offered - back to the food, really how many pies and pints would make the difference? Overheads etc would bring whatever mark up is there down to the minimum - Fisher didn't even engage with Compass, as it's not for ACL to discuss! He has quoted an expected £100,000 a year but that was a speculated figure - no discussions. Actually took place. In the meantime all he has achieved is the division of fans and to drag the club through a load of shite - to achieve what? Yep we'll be back here in this situation within 12months - this is business men and women flexing, posturing call it what you want, it is destroying us!

Grendel · Jun 20, 2013

skyblue2k said:
They we're offered reduced rent pre sisu and turned it down, acl wanted to set in place rent based on league, position and attendance. Ccfc pre sisu sold 50% acl to Higgs charity and agreed a set structure to buy that share back. The Higgs is a charity and have not made any profit and lost interest on the £6.5 million that went to ccfc. So if anyone wants this back, they have to pay back that £6.5 million plus interest

So do you have evidence that Haskell offered the full amount to the Higgs charity?

lordsummerisle · Jun 20, 2013

Hells_Bells299 said:
the higgs charity won't sell to them due to no regeneration of the area, as originally offered - !

I still fail to see why anybody owning the football club and/or 50% of ACL should also be responsible for regeneration of the area?

Surely the council own all the land around the Ricoh, ACL are just leaseholders of the stadium I think.

Nothing that I can see to stop the council selling the land to property developers for hotels or whatever without any need for club involvement.

lordsummerisle · Jun 20, 2013

Grendel said:
So do you have evidence that Haskell offered the full amount to the Higgs charity?

It could also be possibly argued that the share is worth less now, as less time to run on the lease.

Grendel · Jun 20, 2013

Flying Fokker said:
Salivate, big word to use for you Grendel. Go and suppoort Walsall CCFC. See who the clown is then.

Supoort is a pretty big word for you.

Hells_Bells299 · Jun 20, 2013

lordsummerisle said:
I still fail to see why anybody owning the football club and/or 50% of ACL should also be responsible for regeneration of the area?

Surely the council own all the land around the Ricoh, ACL are just leaseholders of the stadium I think.

Nothing that I can see to stop the council selling the land to property developers for hotels or whatever without any need for club involvement.

It is what the charity stated - nothing to do with ACL, it wasn't part and parcel of the original 'Football Club' deal, it was an understanding between Sisu and the Alan Higgs charity and an aspiration of sisu to gain 50% of the ground football club or not.... They know the club will always break even at best, it's the ricoh that will make money for them, hence pies and pint being the only thing left to argue over....

Grendel · Jun 20, 2013

Hells_Bells299 said:
It is what the charity stated - nothing to do with ACL, it wasn't part and parcel of the original 'Football Club' deal, it was an understanding between Sisu and the Alan Higgs charity and an aspiration of sisu to gain 50% of the ground football club or not.... They know the club will always break even at best, it's the ricoh that will make money for them, hence pies and pint being the only thing left to argue over....

You've been listening to AC DC too long. Have a lie down. Are you sponsored by Pieminster?

lordsummerisle · Jun 20, 2013

Hells_Bells299 said:
It is what the charity stated - nothing to do with ACL, it wasn't part and parcel of the original 'Football Club' deal, it was an understanding between Sisu and the Alan Higgs charity and an aspiration of sisu to gain 50% of the ground football club or not.... They know the club will always break even at best, it's the ricoh that will make money for them, hence pies and pint being the only thing left to argue over....

Are you saying then that if the club were to activate it's 50% option of buying the Higgs shares then they would own the surrounding land for development?

If they don't, then a bit of a pointless "understanding" I'd have thought.

Hells_Bells299 · Jun 20, 2013

Just as i thought, once again another forum user that does not see any other point of view than his/her own! As for pieminister - take your pathetic comments elsewhere - no need!

Godiva · Jun 20, 2013

Hells_Bells299 said:
It is what the charity stated - nothing to do with ACL, it wasn't part and parcel of the original 'Football Club' deal, it was an understanding between Sisu and the Alan Higgs charity and an aspiration of sisu to gain 50% of the ground football club or not.... They know the club will always break even at best, it's the ricoh that will make money for them, hence pies and pint being the only thing left to argue over....

Are you including the full 'story' or just picking bits and pieces?
First sisu and ccc agreed that sisu would buy the ACL mortgage from Yorkshire Bank.
Then sisu would write off the mortgage!
Then the club would buy the Higgs shares.
With the mortgage gone both ccc's and the clubs shares would increase in value.

But ACL chairman left for a position as director at ... Yorkshire Bank.
Then ccc turned on the deal and instead bailed out ACL whilst telling sisu to f.o.

And where were Hoffman and Elliot in all this? How come ACL suddenly pushed hard for force ownership of the club?
Interesting stuff.

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