first time in thirty years not renewing ........ but (1 Viewer)

covcity4life · May 15, 2017

long term they cant just keep slashing budget and breaking even. starving ccfc of income will hurt sisu someday to the point they decide not worth carrying on as no potential and no longer breakeven

not that i am subscriber to nopm or anything and not that this plan is fulproof either, just think its bit silly to pretend its not gonna have an impact or is not worthwhile at all.

we are all fans that love club, and in our own ways trying to save it be that buying ST or nopm or a mix.

covcity4life · May 15, 2017

ajsccfc said:
I don't believe they can be scared off or smoked out, they'll just adjust accordingly and if it means we drop further so be it. The only possible salvation I can see is someone making them a good enough offer.

this may be true.

which begs the other question. are people leaving to starve sisu out? or have some just had enough with no light at end of tunnel?

even more worrying?

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · May 15, 2017

covcity4life said:
long term they cant just keep slashing budget and breaking even. starving ccfc of income will hurt sisu someday to the point they decide not worth carrying on as no potential and no longer breakeven

not that i am subscriber to nopm or anything and not that this plan is fulproof either, just think its bit silly to pretend its not gonna have an impact or is not worthwhile.

That's the crux of it, as soon as the sponsorship and solidarity payments don't cover costs, it's bye bye coventry city and SISU will continue doing what they do with no care as to how we feel.

They won't let it hurt them. We'll just close.

covcity4life · May 15, 2017

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
That's the crux of it, as soon as the sponsorship and solidarity payments don't cover costs, it's bye bye coventry city and SISU will continue doing what they do with no care as to how we feel.

They won't let it hurt them. We'll just close.

and for some closing is better than 15 years of us falling into non league and semi pro leagues etc. there will be talk of phoenix clubs etc

justp laying devils advocate btw

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · May 15, 2017

covcity4life said:
and for some closing is better than 15 years of us falling into non league and semi pro leagues etc. there will be talk of phoenix clubs etc

justp laying devils advocate btw

I get you. But surely that's the reason we should be getting behind them. More fans will equal a bigger budget, but the thing is SISU will take a bigger cut - why begrudge them that if we were successful? It's Catch 22. I get the feeling that a lot of NOPM wants investment with no hope of profiting, which is completely blind - football fans of all clubs are guilty of this

I can't get behind a phoenix club and I don't think the appetite is there in the city to make it successful.

Deleted member 5849 · May 15, 2017

ajsccfc said:
I don't believe they can be scared off or smoked out, they'll just adjust accordingly and if it means we drop further so be it. The only possible salvation I can see is someone making them a good enough offer.

Or they get what they want... or are no longer able to get what they want.

Sky Blue Kid · May 15, 2017

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I get you. But surely that's the reason we should be getting behind them. More fans will equal a bigger budget, but the thing is SISU will take a bigger cut - why begrudge them that if we were successful? It's Catch 22. I get the feeling that a lot of NOPM wants investment with no hope of profiting, which is completely blind - football fans of all clubs are guilty of this

I can't get behind a phoenix club and I don't think the appetite is there in the city to make it successful.

All we've ever wanted is the owners to make a decent fist of running our Football Club. If they had I don't think anyone would begrudge them making a profit. Total mismanagement/Asset stripping from the start has put/driven us to where we are now! If they had failed, but had tried to their best ability, there wouldn't be the animosity towards them that there is today.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · May 15, 2017

Sky Blue Kid said:
All we've ever wanted is the owners to make a decent fist of running our Football Club. If they had I don't think anyone would begrudge them making a profit. Total mismanagement/Asset stripping from the start has put/driven us to where we are now! If they had failed, but had tried to their best ability, there wouldn't be the animosity towards them that there is today.

So now to punish them we're gonna kill our own club?

Sky Blue Kid · May 15, 2017

Nick said:
They clearly aren't the same though, are they?

CCFC going bust tomorrow isn't SISU going bust. Seppalla isn't going to lose her house and live in a box.

One question then..... If SISU and CCFC are not the same, why does Sepalla have the final word on everything that is CCFC...... Oh! I forgot, CCFC/Otium... Doesn't Sepalla/SISU/Arvo own the Football Club? Just a thought!

Sky Blue Kid · May 15, 2017

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
So now to punish them we're gonna kill our own club?

SISU are making a damn good job of that without our help.

Nick · May 15, 2017

Sky Blue Kid said:
One question then..... If SISU and CCFC are not the same, why does Sepalla have the final word on everything that is CCFC...... Oh! I forgot, CCFC/Otium... Doesn't Sepalla/SISU/Arvo own the Football Club? Just a thought!

So that explains that CCFC is SISU and vice versa how?

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · May 15, 2017

Sky Blue Kid said:
One question then..... If SISU and CCFC are not the same, why does Sepalla have the final word on everything that is CCFC...... Oh! I forgot, CCFC/Otium... Doesn't Sepalla/SISU/Arvo own the Football Club? Just a thought!

They're not the same.... if coventry go bust, doesn't mean SISU do... SISU own us. As I said in a previous post - Fiat own Ferrari, doesn't make them the same

Ashdown · May 15, 2017

Sepalla may not lose her house but she stands to lose a lot of credibility when these losses finally crystalise !

Nick · May 15, 2017

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
They're not the same.... if coventry go bust, doesn't mean SISU do... SISU own us. As I said in a previous post - Fiat own Ferrari, doesn't make them the same

Exactly!

Punching CCFC doesn't mean it harms SISU.

Sky Blue Kid · May 15, 2017

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
They're not the same.... if coventry go bust, doesn't mean SISU do... SISU own us. As I said in a previous post - Fiat own Ferrari, doesn't make them the same

OK.... Overnight the Stock market crashes and SISU go bust....CCFC are still ok then?

Nick · May 15, 2017

Sky Blue Kid said:
OK.... Overnight the Stock market crashes and SISU go bust....CCFC are still ok then?

It depends on the route taken, it doesn't instantly mean CCFC goes bust with them.

Sky Blue Kid · May 15, 2017

Nick said:
It depends on the route taken, it doesn't instantly mean CCFC goes bust with them.

Ahh I see..... backtracking.... You split more hairs than a 70's Porn Star mate!

Sky Blue Kid · May 15, 2017

I don't give a "Frogs fat arse" how many "Arms/Tentacles/Umbrellas/Business names CCFC are under.. SISU OWN them!

Nick · May 15, 2017

Sky Blue Kid said:
Ahh I see..... backtracking

It's not back tracking?

Nick · May 15, 2017

Sky Blue Kid said:
I don't give a "Frogs fat arse" how many "Arms/Tentacles/Umbrellas/Business names CCFC are under.. SISU OWN them!

Who's back tracking? The discussion was that CCFC was the same entity as SISU.

Sky Blue Kid · May 15, 2017

Nick said:
Who's back tracking? The discussion was that CCFC was the same entity as SISU.

Do you own your own home?

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · May 15, 2017

Nick said:
It depends on the route taken, it doesn't instantly mean CCFC goes bust with them.

No the assets would get sold on and ccfc would continue.

If I buy the assets does that mean me and coventry city are the same?

Nick · May 15, 2017

Sky Blue Kid said:
Do you own your own home?

Yes I do, however it's not really the same.

It's just another case of you constantly picking the goalposts up and aimlessly wondering about with them.

Why is it that people keep saying NOPM because CCFC is SISU but they don't really know how or why?

Deleted member 5849 · May 15, 2017

Sky Blue Kid said:
Do you own your own home?

Do you own a Kevin the Gerbil cuddly toy, mildly soiled after being kept by Janice all the way through growing up, yet with an air about it that an antique expert would shout 'patina' at you in a mock Brian Blessed voice, if you keep it for another 30 years?

Sky Blue Kid · May 15, 2017

Nick said:
Yes I do, however it's not really the same.

It's just another case of you constantly picking the goalposts up and aimlessly wondering about with them.

Why is it that people keep saying NOPM because CCFC is SISU but they don't really know how or why?

Do you pay a mortgage?

Nick · May 15, 2017

Sky Blue Kid said:
Do you pay a mortgage?

Yes.....

covcity4life · May 15, 2017

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I get you. But surely that's the reason we should be getting behind them. More fans will equal a bigger budget, but the thing is SISU will take a bigger cut - why begrudge them that if we were successful? It's Catch 22. I get the feeling that a lot of NOPM wants investment with no hope of profiting, which is completely blind - football fans of all clubs are guilty of this

I can't get behind a phoenix club and I don't think the appetite is there in the city to make it successful.

i think the issue is that noone beleives that sisu will use high attendences to benefit the club.

we have been relegated twice. both times they have kept shit managers on too long and downgraded the squad. some idiots will blame mowbray etc but it seems apparent that great resources not given.

also how many times have sisu lied about where the budget stands? in one season i remember top 8, 10 and then lower midtable! and this is from TF not fans on message boards etc

there is no trust now unfortuntley.

i want them out, but i am also happy about doyle coming back, the possible return of baker, bigi signing a new contract and us buying the next jamie vardy.

i think match package will be my best bet. in the middle. hopefully we have a great season and can start to build something with or without sisu

Sky Blue Kid · May 15, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
Do you own a Kevin the Gerbil cuddly toy, mildly soiled after being kept by Janice all the way through growing up, yet with an air about it that an antique expert would shout 'patina' at you in a mock Brian Blessed voice, if you keep it for another 30 years?

No.

Deleted member 5849 · May 15, 2017

Sky Blue Kid said:
No.

Exactly.

Sky Blue Kid · May 15, 2017

Nick said:
Yes.....

Then you don't own your home.

skybluebeduff · May 15, 2017

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Not sure what I am more indignant about - being called a peasant, or being called a peasant by someone form 'Beduff'. Off to consult my legal team !!

Do council estate tenants get free consultations with legal firms

skybluebeduff · May 15, 2017

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I get you. But surely that's the reason we should be getting behind them. More fans will equal a bigger budget, but the thing is SISU will take a bigger cut - why begrudge them that if we were successful? It's Catch 22. I get the feeling that a lot of NOPM wants investment with no hope of profiting, which is completely blind - football fans of all clubs are guilty of this

I can't get behind a phoenix club and I don't think the appetite is there in the city to make it successful.

When people mention the NOPM brigade, why do they deliberately miss out everything SISU has achieved for this club to warrant a good enough reason for fans to stay away? Are people really oblivious to the never ending damage they've caused this club? Also why didn't the budget increase 2 years ago when crowds were higher than average? Does that not dispel the myth that better crowds equate to bigger budget? When in the 10 years they've been here have SISU increased the budget set for the club?

Nick · May 15, 2017

Sky Blue Kid said:
Then you don't own your home.

I am technically the owner

Which is what to do with CCFC being the same as SISU?

Nick · May 15, 2017

skybluebeduff said:
When people mention the NOPM brigade, why do they deliberately miss out everything SISU has achieved for this club to warrant a good enough reason for fans to stay away? Are people really oblivious to the never ending damage they've caused this club?

Erm, it's been mentioned because of the post that started it off...

Deleted member 5849 · May 15, 2017

skybluebeduff said:
why do they deliberately miss out everything SISU has achieved for this club to warrant a good enough reason for fans to stay away? Are people really oblivious to the never ending damage they've caused this club?

I think the point is targeting the (albeit sometimes shouty) minority who think not going is a way to removing SISU.

Not going because SISU's inaept stewardship has made it impossible to enjoy the whole experience, or because of a general principle against commercialisation of football or whatever, is absolutely fine.

Most of us do the latter, after all!

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