First time I have disagreement with Elvis (1 Viewer)

Paxman II · Mar 1, 2014

He has stated (in telegraph interview) that he always said we would hit the buffers and that was to be expected.

Well I don't think it is unreasonable to say that if it wasn't for the fact we lost our two most effective strikers we had seen at CCFC in many a year this would not be the case. I put it to him that if we had not lost Clarke when we did and the unfortunate injury to Wilson we would still be enjoying a good ride closing in on the playoffs.

His statement seems to suggest it still would have happened? I can't agree with that. I also worry now that he has come off the confidence building approach he has till now employed so well, he's in danger of losing the belief among the players, resulting in a poor last third of the season.

We need to believe that with Wilson back we are much the same team scoring for fun that we were a few games ago. Has he given a sign that suggest he has already written off this season?

Samo · Mar 1, 2014

Paxman II said:
He has stated (in telegraph interview) that he always said we would hit the buffers and that was to be expected.

Well I don't think it is unreasonable to say that if it wasn't for the fact we lost our two most effective strikers we had seen at CCFC in many a year this would not be the case. I put it to him that if we had not lost Clarke when we did and the unfortunate injury to Wilson we would still be enjoying a good ride closing in on the playoffs.

His statement seems to suggest it still would have happened? I can't agree with that. I also worry now that he has come off the confidence building approach he has till now employed so well and in danger of losing the belief among the players resulting in a poor last third of the season.

We need to believe that with Wilson back we are much the same team scoring for fun that we were a few games ago. Has he given a sign that suggest he has already written off this season?

I think he'd rather not use that excuse.

ccfc92 · Mar 1, 2014

I agree, up until the games vs Barnsley, we were very much the same CCFC, it was after Leon's request it all went downhill

Paxman II · Mar 1, 2014

It would never be seen as an excuse though Samo because it's obvious to everyone and no one would deny I surely?

ccfc92 · Mar 1, 2014

Paxman II said:
It would never be seen as an excuse though Samo because it's obvious to everyone and no one would deny I surely?

TF might?

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Mar 1, 2014

Paxman II said:
He has stated (in telegraph interview) that he always said we would hit the buffers and that was to be expected.

Well I don't think it is unreasonable to say that if it wasn't for the fact we lost our two most effective strikers we had seen at CCFC in many a year this would not be the case. I put it to him that if we had not lost Clarke when we did and the unfortunate injury to Wilson we would still be enjoying a good ride closing in on the playoffs.

His statement seems to suggest it still would have happened? I can't agree with that. I also worry now that he has come off the confidence building approach he has till now employed so well, he's in danger of losing the belief among the players, resulting in a poor last third of the season.

We need to believe that with Wilson back we are much the same team scoring for fun that we were a few games ago. Has he given a sign that suggest he has already written off this season?

Maybe he predicted that we would go through a bumpy spell as he anticipated that as the season went on we would inevitably get injuries and suspensions to key players?

wingy · Mar 1, 2014

Paxman II said:
It would never be seen as an excuse though Samo because it's obvious to everyone and no one would deny I surely?

Could he be mitigating to the Owners or for the Owners or demanding of the owners?

ccfc92 · Mar 1, 2014

CCFC said:
Maybe he predicted that we would go through a bumpy spell as he anticipated that as the season went on we would inevitably get injuries and suspensions to key players?

we were lucky in that respect, it was what early December when Wilson got injured? 4 months is quite a good run for only minor injuries

Samo · Mar 1, 2014

Paxman II said:
It would never be seen as an excuse though Samo because it's obvious to everyone and no one would deny I surely?

Well its a bloody good one if it is! I was surprised he didnt mention it but I think he doesnt like to say anything that could be percieved as an excuse. And.. he did choose (or was forced) to start the season with only two senior strikers which was always going to come home to roost!

ccfc92 · Mar 1, 2014

Samo said:
Well its a bloody good one if it is! I was surprised he didnt mention it but I think he doesnt like to say anything that could be percieved as an excuse. And.. he did choose (or was forced) to start the season with only two senior strikers which was always going to come home to roost!

agreed. Manset was shifted off, and we only had youth strikers

Elvis Pressley · Mar 1, 2014

Paxman II said:
He has stated (in telegraph interview) that he always said we would hit the buffers and that was to be expected.

Well I don't think it is unreasonable to say that if it wasn't for the fact we lost our two most effective strikers we had seen at CCFC in many a year this would not be the case. I put it to him that if we had not lost Clarke when we did and the unfortunate injury to Wilson we would still be enjoying a good ride closing in on the playoffs.

His statement seems to suggest it still would have happened? I can't agree with that. I also worry now that he has come off the confidence building approach he has till now employed so well, he's in danger of losing the belief among the players, resulting in a poor last third of the season.

We need to believe that with Wilson back we are much the same team scoring for fun that we were a few games ago. Has he given a sign that suggest he has already written off this season?

maybe your reading into things too much?

ccfc92 · Mar 1, 2014

Elvis Pressley said:
maybe your reading into things too much?

I doubt aswel he wants to come out n say, "I have no financial backing and can only feed on scraps (loanees and frees)"

Samo · Mar 1, 2014

ccfc92 said:
I doubt aswel he wants to come out n say, "I have no financial backing and can only feed on scraps (loanees and frees)"

Yep. Or... 'they promised me cash to spend in January and never produced'

The Reverend Skyblue · Mar 1, 2014

2 points outside relegation zone atm ,though we have games in hand

ccfc92 · Mar 1, 2014

Samo said:
Yep. Or... 'they promised me cash to spend in January and never produced'

Spend, spend, spend was the headline wasn't it?

Samo · Mar 1, 2014

ccfc92 said:
Spend, spend, spend was the headline wasn't it?

I believe it was... there may be reasons he'd rather not discuss the lack of strikers.

ccfc92 · Mar 1, 2014

Samo said:
I believe it was... there may be reasons he'd rather not discuss the lack of strikers.

Well a mid table finish will do me. If we are not in top 6 next year, that's when I'll worry (depending on outgoing players etc)

Paxman II · Mar 1, 2014

The point I was making is that he expected the buffers? Why?...we were enjoying great success with two great strikers? He would never had imagined surely that one would be sold on (because he had his head turned) while having his best ever season as a striker and the other injured for so long.
It's bad luck and little he could do about it.
My point being is to accept that as bad misfortune against you and don't simply say it was expected? That's a poor management phrase considering he has himself admitted, the players have given everything and it kinda knocks the confidence a little if you ask me.
That's all, not looking too deep just disagreeing with the way he has handled that particular aspect for once. Overall I think he has been as exceptional as the players this year.

Elvis Pressley · Mar 1, 2014

Paxman II said:
The point I was making is that he expected the buffers? Why?....

well cos every one knew it wouldn't be easy having to move to Northampton being forced out of home for a start and starting off with -10 points
I think its only normal to expect the buffers after all that LOL

RoboCCFC90 · Mar 1, 2014

If we win all 3 games in hand we could be 1 point from Seventh and 6 points from 6th baring in mind we have to play Posh again it would have to take an incredible winning streak but dare I say it can be done.

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stupot07 · Mar 1, 2014

ccfc92 said:
we were lucky in that respect, it was what early December when Wilson got injured? 4 months is quite a good run for only minor injuries

I think it was 1st jan that Wilson got injured. You're right, we did well to only have the odd minor injury up until that point.

We were always going to have a blip, especially considering the rate we've shipped in goals all season, and with our small squad, regardless of the striker situation, albeit not quite on this scale.

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stupot07 · Mar 1, 2014

ccfc92 said:
Spend, spend, spend was the headline wasn't it?

To be fair we have brought in delfouneso, Donnelly (returned), McGeough, Marshall, arsenal lad, petesso and Seabourne on a permanent in January window and only lost Clarke.

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Spionkop · Mar 1, 2014

What disappointed me a few weeks ago was Elvis (the manager! not the poster) went public on saying the Play Offs were probably gone. They very likely are but I don't like to see a manager throw in the towel like that. It smacked of Gordon Strachan saying years ago, at the start of the season, that we would be in a little league fighting against relegation. It sent out all the wrong signals. Defeatist talk.
To be honest with the shocking owners we have he has done ok. But that comment was a mistake.

Samo · Mar 1, 2014

stupot07 said:
To be fair we have brought in delfouneso, Donnelly (returned), McGeough, Marshall, arsenal lad, petesso and Seabourne on a permanent in January window and only lost Clarke.

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Spending a total of?

stupot07 · Mar 1, 2014

Spionkop said:
What disappointed me a few weeks ago was Elvis (the manager! not the poster) went public on saying the Play Offs were probably gone. They very likely are but I don't like to see a manager throw in the towel like that. It smacked of Gordon Strachan saying years ago, at the start of the season, that we would be in a little league fighting against relegation. It sent out all the wrong signals. Defeatist talk.
To be honest with the shocking owners we have he has done ok. But that comment was a mistake.

You see, i don't see that as defeatist talk, I would rather a manager tell me as it is than give me false expectations, he's also taking some pressure of his players.

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stupot07 · Mar 1, 2014

Samo said:
Spending a total of?

I have no idea but we'd have paid a loan fee as well as picking up a percentage of the loanees wages, so not totally free are they?

Yeovil finished 4th in the league and got promoted and spent the grand total of c£15k on madden, the rest were free or loan players.

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Jack Griffin · Mar 1, 2014

Form has been slipping since the 20th game. The blue graph is a plot of the points from the last 8 games, point 1 is the 8th game, point 24 the Tranmere game (#32).

Samo · Mar 1, 2014

stupot07 said:
I have no idea but we'd have paid a loan fee as well as picking up a percentage of the loanees wages, so not totally free are they?

Yeovil finished 4th in the league and got promoted and spent the grand total of c£15k on madden, the rest were free or loan players.

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But Seppalla had told SP in November that money would be available to BUY players, stating (according to SP) that she would rather buy players than waste money on loans. Point taken re Yeovil though, it can be done.

stupot07 · Mar 1, 2014

Samo said:
But Seppalla had told SP in November that money would be available to BUY players, stating (according to SP) that she would rather buy players than waste money on loans. Point taken re Yeovil though, it can be done.

Whilst true, it depends if the players we wants to buy are available or not, and at what price, January is not a great time to sign players, prices are often over inflated and teams are reluctant to sell. I think the McGeough loan is with a view to a permanent in the summer, if Marshall does well he'll likely get an extension too.

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Lorksalordy · Mar 1, 2014

ccfc92 said:
Well a mid table finish will do me. If we are not in top 6 next year, that's when I'll worry (depending on outgoing players etc)

Obviously hope this is correct but not really sure how you reach this conclusion ? Cannot see anything other than squad weakening and further cost cutting in the summer and unless something unexpected happens see next season as harder than this on the pitch.

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Spionkop · Mar 1, 2014

Lorks, agree with you, if we are at Sixfields next season you can forget top six. The players will be watching to see if we move back to the Ricoh. If we do it may, just may, influence their thinking. 2,000 fans (or less more likely) or 15,000 & going for promotion. Not a hard choice. They'll probably be a mass exodus on the scale of 1982 when Gillespie, & co all left.
At Sixfields it'll be more gloom & doom.
Not sure how many more times it can be said, Sisu don't care about team building. The balance sheet, not the team sheet.

mighty quinn · Mar 1, 2014

Sisus lack of investment and ambition cost us again .see the pattern.Marlon king.David mcgoldtick.Leon clark

stupot07 · Mar 1, 2014

mighty quinn said:
Sisus lack of investment and ambition cost us again .see the pattern.Marlon king.David mcgoldtick.Leon clark

David McGoldrick was NOT our player, Leon Clarke handed in a transfer request and refused to play.

Of course ACLs decision to reject the CVA and land us with a 10 point deduction has no bearing on this season

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