Non AMP
Sky Blues Talk
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
This is a mobile optimized page that loads fast, if you want to load the real page, click this text.

Filthy journalists (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter SBT
  • Start date Feb 12, 2023
Forums New posts
  • 1
  • 2
Next
1 of 2 Next Last
S

SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #1
Post in here to express your rage/admiration at journalists

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Does it matter where the writing comes from if it continues to sell papers and appeal to the target audiences?
Click to expand...

Not really, but you do realise that journalism isn’t just writing? Nor is it solely dictated by unit sales, or even audience interest?
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #2
A newspaper that nobody wants to read won't stay in business for long will it?
 
S

SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #3
Brighton Sky Blue said:
A newspaper that nobody wants to read won't stay in business for long will it?
Click to expand...
Of course not, but news outlets aren’t driven just by what they think most people will read/click. They have editorial priorities which extend beyond that. I know you think some sort of magic AI will be easily able to replicate that, but I don’t think it’ll be quite so straightforward.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #4
They'd also be the issue that whoever was responsible for the AI would be pushing their own agenda and it would have zero transparency - it makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Reactions: Skybluefaz
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #5
Sick Boy said:
They'd also be the issue that whoever was responsible for the AI would be pushing their own agenda and it would have zero transparency - it makes no sense whatsoever.
Click to expand...
The Leveson Inquiry says hello.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #6
SBT said:
Of course not, but news outlets aren’t driven just by what they think most people will read/click. They have editorial priorities which extend beyond that. I know you think some sort of magic AI will be easily able to replicate that, but I don’t think it’ll be quite so straightforward.
Click to expand...
Journalists writing nonsense to fit an editorial priority is just as bad
 
Reactions: Earlsdon_Skyblue1 and Brighton Sky Blue

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #7
The Epsom college story excusing the murder of a 7 year old daughter suggesting the man couldn’t cope with the success of his wife’s care is following in the footsteps of a poisonous vacuous morally repugnant paper
 
Reactions: Astute, skybluetony176 and Brighton Sky Blue
S

SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #8
fernandopartridge said:
Journalists writing nonsense to fit an editorial priority is just as bad
Click to expand...
I’m talking more about things like specialist local or international coverage. There often isn’t an obvious benefit in terms of clicks/sales/ratings in covering local council meetings, or famines in small sub-Saharan countries etc. So why do newspapers cover them? And would an AI newsbot have the same patience?
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #9
SBT said:
Of course not, but news outlets aren’t driven just by what they think most people will read/click. They have editorial priorities which extend beyond that. I know you think some sort of magic AI will be easily able to replicate that, but I don’t think it’ll be quite so straightforward.
Click to expand...
Whoever's overseeing the AI for their publication will direct it to produce pieces that fit their preferred agenda and target audience. In the same way they currently direct human writers to do just that, they could get the same job done in less time and to at least as decent a standard.
 
S

SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #10
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Whoever's overseeing the AI for their publication will direct it to produce pieces that fit their preferred agenda and target audience. In the same way they currently direct human writers to do just that, they could get the same job done in less time and to at least as decent a standard.
Click to expand...
So you don’t want anything about journalism itself to change, you just don’t want so many humans to do it?
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #11
SBT said:
So you don’t want anything about journalism itself to change, you just don’t want so many humans to do it?
Click to expand...
I want the scumbag gutter press to disappear in its entirety. As for the rest, the more benign ones just pushing a particular ideology to a target audience or reporting on matter of fact events can be replaced and the humans left should pretty much be the few carrying out serious investigative work.
 
S

SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #12
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I want the scumbag gutter press to disappear in its entirety. As for the rest, the more benign ones just pushing a particular ideology to a target audience or reporting on matter of fact events can be replaced and the humans left should pretty much be the few carrying out serious investigative work.
Click to expand...
‘Make the scumbag journalists/teachers just disappear and replace all the rest with an AI program I’ve just invented, but is still controlled by humans’ isn’t a serious plan, it’s just the ramblings of someone with a weird grudge.
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #13
SBT said:
‘Make the scumbag journalists/teachers just disappear and replace all the rest with an AI program I’ve just invented, but is still controlled by humans’ isn’t a serious plan, it’s just the ramblings of someone with a weird grudge.
Click to expand...
For a journalist your comprehension skills are a bit lacking. I mean you asked if I wanted journalism to remain exactly as it is-I want the gutter press gone. Would you rather it stayed?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #14
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I want the scumbag gutter press to disappear in its entirety. As for the rest, the more benign ones just pushing a particular ideology to a target audience or reporting on matter of fact events can be replaced and the humans left should pretty much be the few carrying out serious investigative work.
Click to expand...

What you really want this press they disagree with you to be censored
 
Reactions: Brighton Sky Blue
S

SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #15
Brighton Sky Blue said:
For a journalist your comprehension skills are a bit lacking. I mean you asked if I wanted journalism to remain exactly as it is-I want the gutter press gone. Would you rather it stayed?
Click to expand...
I’m no fan of it. I’m not going to use its existence as an excuse to start cheerleading for the whole journalism workforce to become obsolete though - that’s where my issue is.
 
Reactions: Sick Boy and Deleted member 5849

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #16
Grendel said:
What you really want this press they disagree with you to be censored
Click to expand...

Bsb laughs at this but I’m sure his description of the gutter press is exactly this
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #17
Grendel said:
Bsb laughs at this but I’m sure his description of the gutter press is exactly this
Click to expand...

What was the Leveson Inquiry about again?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #18
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What was the Leveson Inquiry about again?
Click to expand...

it was about the behaviour of a small amount of journalists
 
Reactions: shmmeee and Brighton Sky Blue
M

Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #19
Sky Blue Pete said:
The Epsom college story excusing the murder of a 7 year old daughter suggesting the man couldn’t cope with the success of his wife’s care is following in the footsteps of a poisonous vacuous morally repugnant paper
Click to expand...

What the? Really?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #20
Is this the gutter in action?

New deputy Tory chairman faces fresh questions 'over link to white supremacists'

Ashfield MP Lee Anderson, who is Rishi Sunak's new deputy Tory chairman, appears in photographs with Skegby Scooter Club regular who supports white supremacist punk bands that reference Adolf Hitler
www.mirror.co.uk
 
Reactions: Brighton Sky Blue
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #21
As with every profession, there are people who are good at it, and people who are bad at it. And it's always unfair to judge the profession on the bad.
 
Reactions: duffer

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #22
I guess when we find some bad police officers we should just ban the whole force
 
Reactions: Sky Blue Pete and Brighton Sky Blue
N

napolimp

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #23
Grendel said:
What you really want this press they disagree with you to be censored
Click to expand...

Yawn...
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 12, 2023
  • #24
Their job is to report the news and some do it better than others. Muckraking tabloid cunts are scumbags. I

On another area of theirs I can't be doing with any sensationalism and people getting their 15 minutes of fame from social media or reality tv, but that's just the way of the world I guess now, and dinosaurs like me have a choice not to read it.

Journos have their place but I'll always consider most of them are cunts, a bit like traffic wardens tbh.
 
Reactions: Sky Blue Pete

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2023
  • #25
Grendel said:
What you really want this press they disagree with you to be censored
Click to expand...
Like the Tories then.
 
Reactions: Grendel

Mcbean

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2023
  • #26
Nick Ferrari - tosser ! Cuts you off if he doesn’t like your view - asks ministers trivial questions rather than civstructive ones about policy - just trying to catch someone out all the time - such a waste
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2023
  • #27
Sky Blue Pete said:
The Epsom college story excusing the murder of a 7 year old daughter suggesting the man couldn’t cope with the success of his wife’s care is following in the footsteps of a poisonous vacuous morally repugnant paper
Click to expand...
They’re stretching into the worst elements of radical islam.
 
Last edited: Feb 13, 2023
Reactions: Grendel

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2023
  • #28
Not a great day for journalism. The Mails priority in reporting on the horrific murder of Brianna Ghey appears to have been tracking down someone who could provide them with details to deadname her, finally getting the info from her optician.

The Times then also decided to publish the same details and removed all reference to her being a girl from their reports.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 13, 2023
  • #29
chiefdave said:
Not a great day for journalism. The Mails priority in reporting on the horrific murder of Brianna Ghey appears to have been tracking down someone who could provide them with details to deadname her, finally getting the info from her optician.

The Times then also decided to publish the same details and removed all reference to her being a girl from their reports.
Click to expand...

hardly not a great day for journalism is it
 
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Feb 14, 2023
  • #30
The thought of getting rid of journalists is one of the most ludicrous things I've read on this site, and I've read plenty! Why, after all, do dictators go after journalists as one of their first ports of call? It's as crazy as suggesting we get rid of scientists because some conclude Covid vaccines are dangerous or climate change isn't happening... or get rid of teachers because some are poor.

In fact, to get rid of journalists would fly completely in the face of certain premises of teaching. Part of the problem nowadays is the rise of citizen journalism, and that's a wild, unregulated mess where some stumble across stories, and others mislead wildly. As a result of that, the free press either come under pressure to domsimilar to compete, or they fund their budgets cut so proper journalists wither away and are replaced by the enthusiastic aateur. As with every profession, it's a nonsense not to leave it to the trained expects - who wants a journalist conducting my brain surgery, after all? A trained journalist comes with authority and a certain amount of security, knows what information to release and when, and actually conducts some research to validate the information they've got.

However, in the age of the citizen journalist, the race is to release information first.

So, don't blame journalists, blame the amateurs who marginalise the journalists. Don't blame journalists, blame the people who are just basically desperately seeking the same viewpoint to validate their prior held beliefs, so don't want to pay for a challenge to them. It should be noted in simpler times the inability to find out that information so easily led to more critical thinking too - the Sun could run a Vote Tory front page, and the majority of its readers would still vote Labour. It still doesn't matter what the Sun write in that respect... but now people seek out falsehoods from numerous randoms instead to just confirm whatever they think - the art of critical thinking is lost along with the journalist.

Get rid of journalists, allow for PPE to be sold to anybody and everbody. Get rid of journalists, become like the Soviet Union or China. Some of the crackdowns in the latter are eye watering, and they originate from silencing the media who might want to hold them to account.

Also worth noting, get rid of journalists and you get rid of half decent car reviews, a well written football report, an intelligent insight into the history of Kenilworth Castle.

Get rid of journalists, get rid of culture, get rid of freedom.
 
Reactions: bezzer, RegTheDonk, duffer and 3 others

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 14, 2023
  • #31
"5 reasons why we shouldn't get rid of Journalists" by NW.
 
Reactions: clint van damme and Terry_dactyl
S

SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 14, 2023
  • #32
Nick said:
Copy and pasters going? Good.

Actual investigative journalists can stay. (I don't mean people who watch Facebook to ask if they can use somebody's picture of Jesus in toast).
Click to expand...
Yep! (The results have been…..mixed)

MSN Fired Its Human Journalists and Replaced Them With AI That Publishes Fake News About Mermaids and Bigfoot

MSN peddled a story about Grimes and Elon Musk based on a fake tweet. Now, as it turns out, that was only the tip of the iceberg.
futurism.com
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 14, 2023
  • #33
SBT said:
Yep! (The results have been…..mixed)

MSN Fired Its Human Journalists and Replaced Them With AI That Publishes Fake News About Mermaids and Bigfoot

MSN peddled a story about Grimes and Elon Musk based on a fake tweet. Now, as it turns out, that was only the tip of the iceberg.
futurism.com
Click to expand...

Don't even need that, just autogenerate from tweets half the time or write something to autogenerate from Facebook once it has so many likes in local "spotted" groups. Job done.
 
Reactions: wingy and Brighton Sky Blue

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 14, 2023
  • #34
Council were looking to bail out Wasps last year before a journo followed up leads and blew the whistle. Not saying the story wouldn't have broke elsewhere, but its resulted in the pests being verminated and one of the biggest culprits moving off the council. CET is a shadow of its former self but the human element is vital.
 
Reactions: shmmeee and SBT
S

SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 14, 2023
  • #35
RegTheDonk said:
Council were looking to bail out Wasps last year before a journo followed up leads and blew the whistle. Not saying the story wouldn't have broke elsewhere, but its resulted in the pests being verminated and one of the biggest culprits moving off the council. CET is a shadow of its former self but the human element is vital.
Click to expand...
Yeah but my imaginary robot could also do that so
 
Reactions: Sick Boy and RegTheDonk
  • 1
  • 2
Next
1 of 2 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Share:
Facebook Twitter Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
  • Default Style
  • Contact us
  • Terms and rules
  • Privacy policy
  • Help
  • Home
Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2021 XenForo Ltd.
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Home
  • Forums
    • New posts
    • Search forums
  • What's new
    • New posts
    • Latest activity
  • Members
    • Current visitors
  • Donate to the Season Ticket Fund
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?