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MichaelCCFC · Feb 23, 2014

latest kcic mailout is at www.keepcovincov.weebly.com and here...

After yesterday’s performance, being laughed at by Tranmere fans and more bickering between City fans

I’M FEELING REALLY FED UP WITH…

Lack of proper investment in the team - we’ve leaked goals pretty much all season; yesterday we again couldn’t even field a striker; and we are left using a merry-go-round of loans to try to patch things up
Seeing a brilliant new manager, who could really take us places, not being supported with the resources he deserves
People who are more interested in supporting sisu or acl than the interests of the team and fans, and who just interpret any comment as being pro/anti acl/sisu
Those who refuse to accept there are questions about acl and we had major problems before sisu arrived
Those who refuse to accept it is sisu who decided to move us to Northampton, have promised a new stadium but not even bought any land, and with one ‘phone call could have us back at the Ricoh for the rest of the season not playing 35 miles away in front of record low crowds

kcic is PRO TEAM & PRO FANS…

So let’s fight for OUR Sky Blues, put our energy into one thing that puts pressure on all parties and could see a public grilling of all those responsible for the mess we’re in –the epetiton at www.FixFootball.co.uk - and get on and do what other City fans are already doing, like:

Print copies of the flyer below – or email keepcovincov@gmail.com and copies can be sent to you - and put one in your house window, car window, noticeboard at work, local shops, pubs and wherever else you can think of
Get just one extra person to sign the epetition this week – if everyone who has already signed did this, we’d be a third of the way to 100k
Or if you can do nothing else, chuck a few quid to kcic to spend on getting Public Liability Insurance so we can leaflet in town plus get more signs, banners and posters, all to help the epetition. Either use internet banking or go into any branch of HSBC Bank and make a payment to Account Number 11529110 Sort Code 40-18-38

kcic DRINK!

A chance to talk with other City fans this Wednesday, 26 February, Spencer Club CV5 6JR 8pm – see you there!

PUSB!

Michael

Please:

Sign the 'No Fans = No Football' epetition at www.FixFootball.co.uk and spread the word!

Like kcic at https://www.facebook.com/KeepCovInCovCampaign

Visit kcic at http://keepcovincov.weebly.com/

Follow kcic on twitter @NotOnePennyMore

Covstu · Feb 23, 2014

Although I agree with kcic stuff in general, point no 1 & 2 are obvious statements but to be fair how can they invest in the team when there is no revenue. Bit chicken and egg isn't it??

Yes before people start, we should be back in cov with revenue etc etc but we are not.

Grendel · Feb 23, 2014

I assume point 3 means we should now go to Sixfields?

ccfc92 · Feb 23, 2014

Grendel said:
I assume point 3 means we should now go to Sixfields?

surely that counters KCIC :thinking about:

MichaelCCFC · Feb 23, 2014

Grendel said:
I assume point 3 means we should now go to Sixfields?

Irony isn't dead then!

Grendel · Feb 23, 2014

ccfc92 said:
surely that counters KCIC :thinking about:

It says support the team and KCIC is a strange name when we are not there anyway doesn't it?

steveo1987 · Feb 23, 2014

I found I could support kcic without a problem at all . However as soon as the Sisu out sentiments kick in, they can forget it. Kcic yes please, impartiality yes please.

Tonylinc · Feb 23, 2014

Grendel said:
It says support the team and KCIC is a strange name when we are not there anyway doesn't it?

Would you like to edit that post in a way in which it makes some sense?

Grendel · Feb 23, 2014

Tonylinc said:
Would you like to edit that post in a way in which it makes some sense?

Sorry? Read the third point it says support the team and not sisu or ACL. So I assume this is a message to get as many fans to cheer on the team.

As for Keep Coventry In Coventry - it is a senseless name isn't it?

valiant15 · Feb 23, 2014

steveo1987 said:
I found I could support kcic without a problem at all . However as soon as the Sisu out sentiments kick in, they can forget it. Kcic yes please, impartiality yes please.

So you don't want sisu out then?

MichaelCCFC · Feb 23, 2014

Grendel said:
Sorry? Read the third point it says support the team and not sisu or ACL. So I assume this is a message to get as many fans to cheer on the team.

As for Keep Coventry In Coventry - it is a senseless name isn't it?

As posted on the other thread - Your views are so distorted they no longer bear any relation to reality. You used to be an interesting poster. What went wrong?

mark82 · Feb 23, 2014

valiant15 said:
So you don't want sisu out then?

I don't think that's what he is necessarily saying but any campaign to bring the club back needs the ability to work with our glorious owners not against them.

Hobo · Feb 23, 2014

Grendel said:
Sorry? Read the third point it says support the team and not sisu or ACL. So I assume this is a message to get as many fans to cheer on the team.

As for Keep Coventry In Coventry - it is a senseless name isn't it?

You just counter argue. I don't see that you are a fan anymore, you don't seem to have an opinion and when several posters challenge you to answer questions you go on to a different thread and ignore the request. It is easy to pick holes and just be negative.

letsallsingtogether · Feb 23, 2014

How dare you say he never answers questions he's on over 100 grand a year far Superior to us, therefore he answers no one.

Just calls them stupid or deluded or waits for Nick or Torch to back him up.

Or the classic "must be that time of the week again"?

Hobo said:
You just counter argue. I don't see that you are a fan anymore, you don't seem to have an opinion and when several posters challenge you to answer questions you go on to a different thread and ignore the request. It is easy to pick holes and just be negative.

spider_ricoh · Feb 23, 2014

Page 2 and already descending into personal insults!

Spionkop · Feb 24, 2014

Mark82, work with our glorious owners? That's the last thing we should do. They've proved how slippery, conniving, untrustworthy and ruthless they are. To me, and I suspect others, you fight dirty with Sisu. It's what they do. It's what we should do. They 'batter people in court.' It's how they work. Moving the goalposts etc. Plan A, Plan B, etc. Doublespeak.
Michael's petition is commendable but I fear it is not nearly enough. Too nice, too slow.
Valiant gets battered on here sometimes but his direct no nonsense way gets my vote. I keep waiting for the fans, a lot of the younger ones I see at the away games, to really do something, disrupt games (peacefully etc). It hasn't happened. At the minute Sisu are walking all over us.

shmmeee · Feb 24, 2014

mark82 said:
I don't think that's what he is necessarily saying but any campaign to bring the club back needs the ability to work with our glorious owners not against them.

I see this posted as immutable fact, but isn't it like saying "Any plan to liberate France needs to work with Hitler not against him".

(I claim my Godwin)

shmmeee · Feb 24, 2014

Hobo said:
You just counter argue. I don't see that you are a fan anymore, you don't seem to have an opinion and when several posters challenge you to answer questions you go on to a different thread and ignore the request. It is easy to pick holes and just be negative.

He's Nicks per troll though so he gets a pass.

Just don't insult Sisu because that would be unbalanced!

MichaelCCFC · Feb 24, 2014

Spionkop said:
Mark82, work with our glorious owners? That's the last thing we should do. They've proved how slippery, conniving, untrustworthy and ruthless they are. To me, and I suspect others, you fight dirty with Sisu. It's what they do. It's what we should do. They 'batter people in court.' It's how they work. Moving the goalposts etc. Plan A, Plan B, etc. Doublespeak.
Michael's petition is commendable but I fear it is not nearly enough. Too nice, too slow.
Valiant gets battered on here sometimes but his direct no nonsense way gets my vote. I keep waiting for the fans, a lot of the younger ones I see at the away games, to really do something, disrupt games (peacefully etc). It hasn't happened. At the minute Sisu are walking all over us.

This was always going to be a war of attrition and there's a heck of a long way to go yet. I'm a pragmatist and the question I always ask about disrupting games is 'what would be achieved?' cctv means banning orders, fines and even custodial sentences are inevitable with potential implications for people's lives and livelihood (even if large numbers are involved, and I see no evidence to suggest that would ever happen, some would be identified and made an example of). It would could cause division among City fans because some would support it and some not. If it was at a game where the opposition has something to play for the opposition fans aren't going to be happy. Don't imagine SP and the players would like it. sisu would immediately brand us as hooligans. The media would turn on us. So I struggle to see why this is a good tactic - especially when people who suggest it always wants others to lead eg 'the younger ones' rather than saying 'at whatever ccfc game I'm leading a pitch invasion who's up for it'!

RoboCCFC90 · Feb 24, 2014

I am sorry Michael I appreciate that you are doing fantastically well for KCIC, but this argument regarding the investment or resources for the First Team, for 50% of this season we have operated on a one in and one out policy and throughout the summer transfer window, we operated with a Transfer Embargo where we couldn't sign any players whatsoever, now when that has been lifted during January we signed:

Petrasso
Akpom
Donnelly
Delfounseo
Marshall
McGeouch
Seaborne
Slager

Considering that during any January Transfer Window there isn't many players on the market as no Club want's to sell any player because they have to much to fight for, Promotion, Play-Offs, Consolodation, Survival, etc and the type of players that teams want aren't avaliable, espcially strikers that can score goals, as you saw with Leon Clarke City would have inflated his Transfer Value just to try and put Clubs off, unfortunately for us Leon forced his move.

We could have gone out and splashed the £750,000 Leon fee on any old player, but no loans are free, we would have paid a small fee to bring in the players we have on loan and they're decent quality but unfortunately we have just not had luck on our side when it comes to strikers.

TrueSkyBlueLiam · Feb 24, 2014

One simple way to invest n the team is to use what you have. SISU are not an ailing business. Far from it. They may be complete C-units and have no idea how to run a football club but they have money and as far as im concerned have no reason not to use it. Wheres the money from selling Leon gone? Got to be 500-750K. We have brought in a free agent and about 5 loan players. Same with the deals for Bigi and Keogh. Where did that money disappear to? We aren't as poor as people are making out. SISU are just taking money out of the club rather than putting it in

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 24, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
We could have gone out and splashed the £750,000 Leon fee on any old player, but no loans are free, we would have paid a small fee to bring in the players we have on loan and they're decent quality but unfortunately we have just not had luck on our side when it comes to strikers.

Personally I'd be reassured if we had a few more players on longer term contracts, just to convince me there'll be a club in existence in the longer term!

I know the likes of Wilson signed deals, I guess Seaborne got a permanent deal... but I'd still be more comfortable with one or two more!

Grendel · Feb 24, 2014

Hobo said:
You just counter argue. I don't see that you are a fan anymore, you don't seem to have an opinion and when several posters challenge you to answer questions you go on to a different thread and ignore the request. It is easy to pick holes and just be negative.

I've answered many times but you conveniently ignore the posts.

Its an easy option yet I pose many, many questions that go unanswered.

The protests are largely irrelevant as the owners are rarely in attendance and easily the most resistant in this process.

Suggestions are not that relevant as they would never happen but if you insist;

1. Boycott all CCFC matches home and away. Continued large away presence stops any real argument that fans are staying away as they believe the club will move permanently.

2. I posted a thread that said the arsenal match was an opportunity. All tickets should have been bought and no one attended but all went to the FA and protest.

3. Constant attendance at FA headquarters by supporters on matchdays

4 trust to appoint media consultants to put these stories in appropriate news papers

5 total boycott of ACL events, hotels etc. encourage a blanket boycott of all concerts (if they have any)

6 constant presence of protest outside the council house

7 raise funds to have independent kcic candidates at local elections - local elections have pathetic turnout so the threat alone would be significant

Unfortunately people want their cake and eat it so nothing will happen of any consequence.

Nick · Feb 24, 2014

shmmeee said:
He's Nicks per troll though so he gets a pass.

Just don't insult Sisu because that would be unbalanced!

A pass for what?

RoboCCFC90 · Feb 24, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
Personally I'd be reassured if we had a few more players on longer term contracts, just to convince me there'll be a club in existence in the longer term!

I know the likes of Wilson signed deals, I guess Seaborne got a permanent deal... but I'd still be more comfortable with one or two more!

I appreciate we all want that, but it's been really difficult to bring players in permnamently, the summer will be better for us, making sure all goes well with the accounts.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 24, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
I appreciate we all want that, but it's been really difficult to bring players in permnamently, the summer will be better for us, making sure all goes well with the accounts.

I wish I shared your optimism!

MichaelCCFC · Feb 24, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
I am sorry Michael I appreciate that you are doing fantastically well for KCIC, but this argument regarding the investment or resources for the First Team, for 50% of this season we have operated on a one in and one out policy and throughout the summer transfer window, we operated with a Transfer Embargo where we couldn't sign any players whatsoever, now when that has been lifted during January we signed:

Petrasso
Akpom
Donnelly
Delfounseo
Marshall
McGeouch
Seaborne
Slager

Considering that during any January Transfer Window there isn't many players on the market as no Club want's to sell any player because they have to much to fight for, Promotion, Play-Offs, Consolodation, Survival, etc and the type of players that teams want aren't avaliable, espcially strikers that can score goals, as you saw with Leon Clarke City would have inflated his Transfer Value just to try and put Clubs off, unfortunately for us Leon forced his move.

We could have gone out and splashed the £750,000 Leon fee on any old player, but no loans are free, we would have paid a small fee to bring in the players we have on loan and they're decent quality but unfortunately we have just not had luck on our side when it comes to strikers.

'Fed up' is a very mild way of expressing how I'm feeling about the state we are in and when on Saturday people started singing 'this is embarrassing' that's exactly how I felt. We really were being laughed at by Tranmere fans. So you might be happy to defend the lack of investment but I'm not. The truth of the matter is transfer embargoes have been imposed for a reason, sisu are constantly claimed to have deep pockets, sisu are very happy spending money on lawyers, lack of investment in the team has now been going on for a number of years and certainly predates this season. There are big questions about acl, our problems started before sisu arrived but wake up and smell the coffee - lack of investment in the team is down to the owners. simples

lewys33 · Feb 24, 2014

Grendel said:
I've answered many times but you conveniently ignore the posts.

Its an easy option yet I pose many, many questions that go unanswered.

The protests are largely irrelevant as the owners are rarely in attendance and easily the most resistant in this process.

Suggestions are not that relevant as they would never happen but if you insist;

1. Boycott all CCFC matches home and away. Continued large away presence stops any real argument that fans are staying away as they believe the club will move permanently.

2. I posted a thread that said the arsenal match was an opportunity. All tickets should have been bought and no one attended but all went to the FA and protest.

3. Constant attendance at FA headquarters by supporters on matchdays

4 trust to appoint media consultants to put these stories in appropriate news papers

5 total boycott of ACL events, hotels etc. encourage a blanket boycott of all concerts (if they have any)

6 constant presence of protest outside the council house

7 raise funds to have independent kcic candidates at local elections - local elections have pathetic turnout so the threat alone would be significant

Unfortunately people want their cake and eat it so nothing will happen of any consequence.

As much as I agree with most of these ideas, they would suggest that we had fans who give a fuck??

No point attacking Michael for what he is doing/writing. Wouldn't it be better asking why most are not bothered?

covcity4life · Feb 24, 2014

shmmeee said:
He's Nicks per troll though so he gets a pass.

Just don't insult Sisu because that would be unbalanced!

you being bias towards the council again shmeeee? i thought we agreed you should not post on this stuff anymore?

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 24, 2014

MichaelCCFC said:
lack of investment in the team is down to the owners. simples

I really would rather they invested in the foundations of the club first, however. What I don't want is any future owner buying favour and goodwill by signing one or two players... and forgetting about the club as a whole.

Get the club right, players will follow.

(Is it now I have to stick the disclaimer in, that this post is not pro-SISU in the slightest? SISU's biggest error IMHO was signing Dann, Fox, Eastwood etc. in the first place, when they should have been spending that money on the club, rather than a player gamble)

Nick · Feb 24, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
I really would rather they invested in the foundations of the club first, however. What I don't want is any future owner buying favour and goodwill by signing one or two players... and forgetting about the club as a whole.

Get the club right, players will follow.

(Is it now I have to stick the disclaimer in, that this post is not pro-SISU in the slightest? SISU's biggest error IMHO was signing Dann, Fox, Eastwood etc. in the first place, when they should have been spending that money on the club, rather than a player gamble)

Say they chucked money in at the start, would people have not been moaning that they didn't invest in players?

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 24, 2014

Nick said:
Say they chucked money in at the start, would people have not been moaning that they didn't invest in players?

Probably.

Which is why the opportunity has to be taken now not to mirror the mistakes of the past and accept good business sense, ruthless businessmen who strike a good deal for a player... but forget about the club as a whole.

This time, we shouldn't be bought off so easily with a bit of gambling player spunk.

Samo · Feb 24, 2014

Grendel said:
I've answered many times but you conveniently ignore the posts.

Its an easy option yet I pose many, many questions that go unanswered.

The protests are largely irrelevant as the owners are rarely in attendance and easily the most resistant in this process.

Suggestions are not that relevant as they would never happen but if you insist;

1. Boycott all CCFC matches home and away. Continued large away presence stops any real argument that fans are staying away as they believe the club will move permanently.

2. I posted a thread that said the arsenal match was an opportunity. All tickets should have been bought and no one attended but all went to the FA and protest.

3. Constant attendance at FA headquarters by supporters on matchdays

4 trust to appoint media consultants to put these stories in appropriate news papers

5 total boycott of ACL events, hotels etc. encourage a blanket boycott of all concerts (if they have any)

6 constant presence of protest outside the council house

7 raise funds to have independent kcic candidates at local elections - local elections have pathetic turnout so the threat alone would be significant

Unfortunately people want their cake and eat it so nothing will happen of any consequence.

Not sure I agree with point 1 but all the others are good ideas which I would support and get involved with.

RoboCCFC90 · Feb 24, 2014

MichaelCCFC said:
'Fed up' is a very mild way of expressing how I'm feeling about the state we are in and when on Saturday people started singing 'this is embarrassing' that's exactly how I felt. We really were being laughed at by Tranmere fans. So you might be happy to defend the lack of investment but I'm not. The truth of the matter is transfer embargoes have been imposed for a reason, sisu are constantly claimed to have deep pockets, sisu are very happy spending money on lawyers, lack of investment in the team has now been going on for a number of years and certainly predates this season. There are big questions about acl, our problems started before sisu arrived but wake up and smell the coffee - lack of investment in the team is down to the owners. simples

Well I was also there Michael and many of the Tranmere fans I met were very sympathetic to our cause and the game itself, baring in mind your comment I highlighted above it's a little immature, I have provided you many examples of investment that we made during the January window and reasons why we couldn't at the beginning of the season, yet it is a continuing rant.

Lack of investment? Maybe a Club should live within it's own means, we can't always rely any owner pumping money into make us successful because as you have seen over the years with Coventry City Football Club it doesn't work. I am not discussing Sisu's lawyers or there business ethics, but you mentioned the investment into our first team, we have generally brought in a good number of players over Sisu's tenure, now this is the season we have had to utilise the loan market, the accounts issues you can put down to Sisu, but lets not kid ourselves our current squad is very good looking on paper, injuries have taken their toll and we are struggling, you can't always look to the owners and point them out as the problem.

RoboCCFC90 · Feb 24, 2014

Nick said:
Say they chucked money in at the start, would people have not been moaning that they didn't invest in players?

The thing is a lot of people will never be happy even if things are going well, so you can tell at the moment the daggers will be out in force.

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