Under fan ownership we will spend the rest of our days in the bottom 2 divisions.
So a better prospect than remaining with Sisu then.Under fan ownership we will spend the rest of our days in the bottom 2 divisions.
Under fan ownership we will spend the rest of our days in the bottom 2 divisions.
There has been no actual clear plan or anything for fan ownership other than articles about it in the Telegraph.
Once there is an actual clear plan people would then maybe get behind it.
If you'd payed attention to the open meeting rather than try to promote it as a meeting to organise a season ticket boycott you would have learned that the Portsmouth didn't have a clear plan of how they'd take ownership of the club either but still managed it. The reason for that is that they didn't know under what circumstances they would be buying the club until it happened. What they did do is a lot of planning behind the scenes in an attempt to be prepared for all eventualities but they had no clear plan until they knew what they were planning for. The £450k (IIRC) that they raised happened very quickly, because it had to be that way, they didn't have it sat in the bank waiting for an owner to name their price or an administrator to except their bid.
Until SISU are willing to genuinely state a realistic price or the club goes into administration there is no clear plan because there is no clear set of circumstances.
If you'd payed attention to the open meeting rather than try to promote it as a meeting to organise a season ticket boycott you would have learned that the Portsmouth didn't have a clear plan of how they'd take ownership of the club either but still managed it. The reason for that is that they didn't know under what circumstances they would be buying the club until it happened. What they did do is a lot of planning behind the scenes in an attempt to be prepared for all eventualities but they had no clear plan until they knew what they were planning for. The £450k (IIRC) that they raised happened very quickly, because it had to be that way, they didn't have it sat in the bank waiting for an owner to name their price or an administrator to except their bid.
Until SISU are willing to genuinely state a realistic price or the club goes into administration there is no clear plan because there is no clear set of circumstances.
What's happening under SISU? Are you oblivious to it?Under fan ownership we will spend the rest of our days in the bottom 2 divisions.
If we acknowledge the ownership model is no better what's the point of it.
Fan ownership is a misleading title anyway. The fans will not own anything in terms of strategic input. There will I assume be a financial commitment in terms of share capital.
The club would require a head of business with wealth to run the club anyway.
It's a term that means nothing really.
We are starting from scratch next season aren't we? The only thing we do have next season is an agreement for one more year at The Ricoh, we don't even know where we'll train our players. And that's if those shareholders supply us with the loan we allegedly need.I did pay attention, have a read through the thread with plenty of live comments.
Our situation is nothing like Portsmouth, there is no administrator.
Fan ownership would mean starting from scratch pretty much with infrastructure.
Why are sections of our fan base abrasive to it?
I did pay attention, have a read through the thread with plenty of live comments.
Our situation is nothing like Portsmouth, there is no administrator.
Fan ownership would mean starting from scratch pretty much with infrastructure.
It's not attractive or wealthy for the club, but the choice of SISU or that, is a no brainer.I don't like the idea of it personally. But can I be removed from this fan base 'section' please?
As did Portsmouth. They had to get the ground up to standard so it could be fully reopened, they've managed to reacquire some of the land assets that went missing from the club in various takeovers and administrations and did that while steadying the team and then building on it.
They've rebuilt more than just a promotion chasing team. Like I said, you should have paid attention rather than nurture your perverse agenda that it's everyone else's fault. It was all in the presentation that Ashley Brown from The Pompey Trust and supporters direct did. If you'd paid attention.
It's not attractive or wealthy for the club, but the choice of SISU or that, is a no brainer.
We are starting from scratch next season aren't we? The only thing we do have next season is an agreement for one more year at The Ricoh, we don't even know where we'll train our players. And that's if those shareholders supply us with the loan we allegedly need.
Fan ownership won't work as SISU won't sell to us.
1, How much would you value our club at?I don't think that is true. If someone - The Trust - organised a business model with proof of funds then I think they would listen.
We are not aware of anything that Sisu plan because they plan precisely nothing, but we can take it as a certainty that they will not be selling the club whilst they are carrying the 42 million debt and nobody is going to pay anything like that for a club with zero assets.I don't think that is true. If someone - The Trust - organised a business model with proof of funds then I think they would listen.
I thought you were a successful businessman? Surely you understand that application is as important if not more than than the basic model.
Are you suggesting that the club is currently being run in the clubs best interests like would clearly happen in a fan ownership model? Both models would be run on a breakeven model but they'd be starting from a completely different place. Just like Portsmouth who are about to pass us on the way up as were on the way down.
I don't think that is true. If someone - The Trust - organised a business model with proof of funds then I think they would listen.
Portsmouth are no longer majority fan owned. Having been unable to get out of L2 they needed extra investment which diluted their shareholding below 50%Wycombe, L2, 11th, 52 points
Exeter City, L2, 7th, 57 points
Portsmouth, L2, 3rd, 65 points
AFC Wimbledon, L1, 12th, 50 points
This was pointed out by the Pompey chap at the Trust meeting but totally ignored.Under fan ownership we will spend the rest of our days in the bottom 2 divisions.
Completely agree with this. I know you can't have every little detail but there should be a vague idea of what will happen. Where will the money come from, what would happen about the academy, where would we play. All things that can be addressed at this point.There has been no actual clear plan or anything for fan ownership other than articles about it in the Telegraph.
But they did have a plan, as you go on to say they planned for all possible scenarios and this was discussed regularly with their members. They started work in Sep 09, they didn't go into admin until the start of 12 and were in admin for over a year!Portsmouth didn't have a clear plan of how they'd take ownership of the club either but still managed it. The reason for that is that they didn't know under what circumstances they would be buying the club until it happened. What they did do is a lot of planning behind the scenes in an attempt to be prepared for all eventualities but they had no clear plan until they knew what they were planning for.
7 figure loan from the council who also changed planning restrictions to allow them to sell their car park to Tesco. They also had a very sympathetic administrator and the FL stating they would not issue the golden share to anyone but the Trust.Didn't Portsmouth get great help and support from the local council?
Lets say you set shares at £1K. You ask people to put down a no commitment deposit of £100 that is held in escrow by an independent third party. That then illustrates to the seller that you are serious and can raise an amount that they deem acceptable to sell for.Proof of funds for what amount? How are they supposed to provide proof of funds when they don't know how much money they need to raise to be able to provide proof of funds?
Source of income surely would go down to fans buying tickets? If say it was put to fans, in return for £600 say, you receive your ST and x amount of shares, plus a vote in manager choices, player sales, board members etc etc.To put it as simply as possibly it won't work for us because we have very few sources of income compared to other teams. Without someone willing to pump money in we're destined to remain in lower league football in perpetuity. Without starting a who is to blame for what game the council selling the Ricoh to wasps will mean any sort of competent ownership mode involving fans is impossible.
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