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A combination of racist chairman, weak candidates, high expectations and an over-played race card.

The truth is that whilst 25% of players now in the league may be black, that wasn't the case a generation ago where managers are generally from. The top level managers tend to have already done their apprenticships in the lower leagues. A good player doesn't necessarily make a good manager so instead of the usual "there aren't enough" observations, it would be more useful to back this up with facts based on ability, applications and results.

Of course with most jobs, there is the usual 'merry-go-round' of managers already in positions and many jobs, if not promoted internal, already have someone in mind for the post as soon (if not before) it becomes available.

Managers should be chosen because they are the right man and not because of race and I suspect this will naturally evolve initially in the lower leagues and eventually, just like black players grew in numbers, so will black managers.

Unfortunately as so often in society, people look for problems that aren't there and create a more divisve attitude than if they left well alone.

Remember positive racism is still racism.

When this subject matter is raised I am always intrigued to know how many black managers have the required qualifications and how many jobs they have applied for and been turned down for?

If there are only 2 black managers but only 3 have applied etc. then that is not a bad ratio. However if there are 100 black managers who have made over 500 applications then this would be a different matter. (These figures are completely random as an example).

It also intrigues me if there is reverse racism (probably not the right phrase) i.e. that black managers don't bother making applications as they feel they will get turned down because they are black.

Either way with the limited figures available you have to say that there is a disproportionateamount of black managers.

I couldn't really give a toss whether a persons skin colour is white, brown, black, yellow, red, or pink with orange polka dots! If they can do a job and are more than capable then give it to that person!
(Great post Rob btw)

Call me naive/uninformed, but I have a hard time believing that the majority of chairman are overlooking black (or Asian or otherwise) candidates on the basis of race. Simply, I think it stems from the fact that, as LG said, black players definitely used to be a rarity and so the proportion making it through to being managers would be equally low. The likes of Leroy Rosenior and Keith Alexander made good names for themselves in lower league football, and Paul Ince made a bright start before joining Blackburn ahead of his time. Chris Powell is also making good strides at Charlton, so the opportunities are being made available-and I am sure that managers of all ethnicities would sooner have their job on merit rather than as a benefit of positive/negative discrimination.

Let's just hire lots of black managers because they're black, regardless of their qualifications, because we don't want to appear racist. People like Ince, Barnes, Ferdinand etc. can take their race card and fuck off. :jerkit:

Alex you need to read your survey back to yourself because there are errors and in some cases the choices provided make it difficult to answer. Your quotes also seem to lack having a definitive connection to the question you then ask on a couple of occasions.
You may well have been beter giving agree , disagree or strongly disagree type scenario? Just a suggestion! :claping hands:

PS I did the survey.

Paxman II said:

Alex you need to read your survey back to yourself because there are errors and in some cases the choices provided make it difficult to answer. Your quotes also seem to lack having a definitive connection to the question you then ask on a couple of occasions.
You may well have been beter giving agree , disagree or strongly disagree type scenario? Just a suggestion! :claping hands:

PS I did the survey.

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Agree. Didn't like question 1 as I disagreed with both answers.

I didn't do the survey because some questions were far too long-winded and there just not enough choices for an answer. As Paxman said, "agree" disagree" etc would have been better.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/22/fa-football-centre-black-coaches

Dear oh dear, so wrong

Just seen the piece on St Georges Park on Late Kick Off, looks awesome facilities but this is so unnecessary

Just strikes me Rob as favouring the minorities? Everyone in society has the opportunity to overcome prejudice and achieve things on merit. IF there are occasion where someone or a body were discriminating on race alone then there are avenues already in law to lodge protest and take action.
Simply suggesting more money should be given to a minorities causes infuriates me. If there are 3% black people in the population then I would not particularly share the view we have all too few black people getting manager and coacheing jobs?

As for homophobia - I like many people have a gay friend or acquaintance I know and certainly have no personal issue with them or how they lead their lives. At the same time I respect what most people consider 'normal' in a society and if I was gay would accept that premise. For example if I was a gay footballer all the guys on my team did not like the idea of sharing the showers with me then I think that's understandable.

What annoys me most is how pressure groups or in some cases individuals like to hang their tragedy or experience as being everyone else's fault. The government should not interfere with peoples personal preferences and force people, through legislation to accept something. People have the right to think as they do, we all have that choice. If your a bigot then your a bigot, you don't go around locking someone away for it.

It's a difficult one mate. I'm not black and have not spent my life with people being prejudiced against me for no reason and there are many areas that things can be improved on, but all the good work that the powers who invest in this kind of scheme want to promote, imo serves to make things more divisive and has the exact opposite effect.

If we take the black manager argument as the specific example, the reason we are told its unfair currently is due to the 25% of footballers who are black. Has nobody asked why 25% of players are black? Are managers who select their squads being racist and not picking white players? Of course that is utterly ludicrous and they are selecting the best players available to them 25% who happen to be black. I think we all accept that and yet must have this polar prejudiced view imposed on us that black coaches are not being given a chance. I'm sure in some instances that is true, but what we need to do is address that problem and not create a completely different one.