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pusbccfc

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #71
MalcSB said:
They shouldn’t be cheaper for the adult. The uproar last season was about the increased price of children’s tickets in standard and premium zones, not the Increase in adult prices. The Family Zone pricing was, in my view, an overreaction which has had unintended consequences through abuse and fraud.
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We should still have more affordable areas of the stadium. You may struggle to fill the family zone next season if suddenly adult prices rise from £250 to £400+.

By increasing those, it may become unaffordable for the families that have benefited. Punishing those because some cheated the system or decided to buy one cheaply to attend a handful of games.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • May 11, 2024
  • #72
pusbccfc said:
We should still have more affordable areas of the stadium. You may struggle to fill the family zone next season if suddenly adult prices rise from £250 to £400+.

By increasing those, it may become unaffordable for the families that have benefited. Punishing those because some cheated the system or decided to buy one cheaply to attend a handful of games.
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The answer is to just police it better!
 
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pusbccfc

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #73
Nick said:
The answer is to just police it better!
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How do you police people deciding not to turn up to half the games without this new system?

The two issues are different. There's one issue where people bought an adult/kid and attended without the kid.

The second issue is people deciding to buy a dirty cheap season ticket and happily missing games because it's affordable.

When you've spent £400-£500 for a ST as most of us have, you can't really afford to miss more than a few games.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • May 11, 2024
  • #74
Nick said:
The answer is to just police it better!
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Which is what they are trying to do with the threat of revocation.
The FZ adult ticket was sold as “when accompanied by a child”. Perhaps holders of such tickets should either not have been admitted if on their own, or charged the difference. However, almost certainly impossible to implement - although presumably the regular “culprits” could probably be identified from last seasons turnstile data.
 

MalcSB

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #75
pusbccfc said:
How do you police people deciding not to turn up to half the games without this new system?

The two issues are different. There's one issue where people bought an adult/kid and attended without the kid.

The second issue is people deciding to buy a dirty cheap season ticket and happily missing games because it's affordable.

When you've spent £400-£500 for a ST as most of us have, you can't really afford to miss more than a few games.
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It’s the consequences of a really poor decision.
 

pusbccfc

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #76
MalcSB said:
It’s the consequences of a really poor decision.
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Which decision?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 11, 2024
  • #77
MalcSB said:
Which is what they are trying to do with the threat of revocation.
The FZ adult ticket was sold as “when accompanied by a child”. Perhaps holders of such tickets should either not have been admitted if on their own, or charged the difference. However, almost certainly impossible to implement - although presumably the regular “culprits” could probably be identified from last seasons turnstile data.
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That's not really policing it.

I'm assuming it checks if kids tickets are scanned. How tight are the checks to see if it's a kid scanning it?

I know they show different colours when scanning but that's what they should be policing, not whether kids go to night games.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • May 11, 2024
  • #78
They used to check your season ticket card before you got to the turnstile to make sure you were going in the right one back when they had a thing about everyone using a particular turnstile

Now they have queue management in place shouldn't be hard to get the stewards to check everyone has the correct type of ticket

The question is how you deal with the inevitable arguments
 

MalcSB

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #79
pusbccfc said:
Which decision?
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The pricing of adult tickets in the FZ.
 

hill83

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #80
hill83 said:
I’ll just scan my lads season ticket in for games he can’t make if it gets to the point of revoking it. I get the premise but he can’t make evening games basically.
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After all my whinging I’m not even in the family zone.
 
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MalcSB

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #81
chiefdave said:
They used to check your season ticket card before you got to the turnstile to make sure you were going in the right one back when they had a thing about everyone using a particular turnstile

Now they have queue management in place shouldn't be hard to get the stewards to check everyone has the correct type of ticket

The question is how you deal with the inevitable arguments
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It’s about non attendance of the non existent kids invented to allow purchase of a package which is cheaper than a standard adult ST. How do you check that. ” My kid has gone in with his mates!”
 
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pusbccfc

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #82
MalcSB said:
The pricing of adult tickets in the FZ.
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They had to because the rest of the ground rose so highly. They needed to offer a cheaper ticket elsewhere in an area of the ground that was quite literally empty in the season before.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 11, 2024
  • #83
MalcSB said:
It’s about non attendance of the non existent kids invented to allow purchase of a package which is cheaper than a standard adult ST. How do you check that. ” My kid has gone in with his mates!”
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Yes and they will be going off the ticket being scanned in at the turnstile.

It's pointless doing that if it's a 42 year old using the kids ticket as it still shows them as there.
 
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SBT

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #84
pusbccfc said:
The second issue is people deciding to buy a dirty cheap season ticket and happily missing games because it's affordable.
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Family season tickets that are affordable? This can’t be allowed to continue.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • May 11, 2024
  • #85
Nick said:
That's not really policing it.

I'm assuming it checks if kids tickets are scanned. How tight are the checks to see if it's a kid scanning it?

I know they show different colours when scanning but that's what they should be policing, not whether kids go to night games.
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That wouldn’t stop the abuse of it though.

For instance if you as an adult want a cheaper ticket all you have to do is buy a JSB one with it for an imaginary kid.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 11, 2024
  • #86
Pretty sure I had to take my daughter's birth certificate and id when I signed her up?

How do they police the carer ones?

bigfatronssba said:
That wouldn’t stop the abuse of it though.

For instance if you as an adult want a cheaper ticket all you have to do is buy a JSB one with it for an imaginary kid.
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bigfatronssba

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #87
Nick said:
Pretty sure I had to take my daughter's birth certificate and id when I signed her up?

How do they police the carer ones?
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Fair enough but it could still be that you have no intention of taking her.

I’m not sure about the carers, but if they get a cheap/free ticket for taking a disabled person, who never actually goes, they I would say that is equally wrong
 
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Phoenix5555

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #88
So what happens if a family of 4 have ST in the FZ. One child can’t go, but the ticket is for the middle seat of the group. Firstly if they re sell it on the exchange it means some random person sitting in the middle of the group. Secondly, it only leaves 1 seat to sell and so i theory still can’t be sold as presumably you would only be able to buy 2 tickets together in the family zone, 1 adult and the child.
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #89
"You can buy a season ticket thank you very much but be warned you WILL attend or else your ticket will be taken away, without refund, and you will be banned from buying a season ticket next time round as a punishment"

We're not exactly crying out for a bigger stadium are we?
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I was 50/50 as to whether I should renew having missed a number of matches but given this " threat" I'm happy not to bother .

Sooner or later this will be extended to the entire home areas.
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #90
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
"You can buy a season ticket thank you very much but be warned you WILL attend or else your ticket will be taken away, without refund, and you will be banned from buying a season ticket next time round as a punishment"

We're not exactly crying out for a bigger stadium are we?
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I was 50/50 as to whether I should renew having missed a number of matches but given this " threat" I'm happy not to bother .

Sooner or later this will be extended to the entire home areas.
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The FZ area sold out in about two weeks last year.

A ticket there is a privilege, not a right.
 
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Blind-Faith

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #91
And where were these families wanting to buy tickets when we were in league 1+2?
 
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MalcSB

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #92
pusbccfc said:
They had to because the rest of the ground rose so highly. They needed to offer a cheaper ticket elsewhere in an area of the ground that was quite literally empty in the season before.
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They didn’t have to, the “family” complaints were about the fact the price for “children” had gone up so much.

They overreacted and under priced the family zone. I totally support encouraging the fans of the future to get infected with this disease we all carry, but reducing the price for the adult was not the way to go about it.
 
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SBT

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #93
Blind-Faith said:
And where were these families wanting to buy tickets when we were in league 1+2?
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Do people just actively not want families to come to our games?
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • May 11, 2024
  • #94
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
"You can buy a season ticket thank you very much but be warned you WILL attend or else your ticket will be taken away, without refund, and you will be banned from buying a season ticket next time round as a punishment"

We're not exactly crying out for a bigger stadium are we?
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I was 50/50 as to whether I should renew having missed a number of matches but given this " threat" I'm happy not to bother .

Sooner or later this will be extended to the entire home areas.
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I will take a view on that when and if it happens.

The full proposal (subject to next seasons pricing is as follows:-

"You can buy a hugely discounted season ticket thank you very much but be warned you WILL attend or else your ticket will be taken away, without refund, and you will be banned from buying a season ticket next time round as an Incentive to actually attend and not deny someone else the opportunity.”
 
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MalcSB

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #95
SBT said:
Do people just actively not want families to come to our games?
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We want families to come to games, not single adults who are fraudulently abusing an unnecessarily huge discount in adult prices.
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #96
SBT said:
Do people just actively not want families to come to our games?
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A lot of them aren’t coming though, that’s the problem.
What they have done is buy up a limited amount of tickets at a huge discount and then not used them.

Meanwhile families who actually want to go to games have to pay full price
 
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MalcSB

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #97
bigfatronssba said:
A lot of them aren’t coming though, that’s the problem.
What they have done is buy up a limited amount of tickets at a huge discount and then not used them.

Meanwhile families who actually want to go to games have to pay full price
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A fair proportion will have never have had any intention of using them. It’s fraud.
 
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Covcraig@bury

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #98
pusbccfc said:
We should still have more affordable areas of the stadium. You may struggle to fill the family zone next season if suddenly adult prices rise from £250 to £400+.

By increasing those, it may become unaffordable for the families that have benefited. Punishing those because some cheated the system or decided to buy one cheaply to attend a handful of games.
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I pay full price and can’t attend all games , I don’t get value for money but I don’t complain. I also pay for fuel , a full tank to get to games and back . Maybe I should ask Doug for a fuel card
 
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SBT

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #99
MalcSB said:
A fair proportion will have never have had any intention of using them. It’s fraud.
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The maximum sentence for fraud is 10 years in prison. Is that a fair punishment for missing midweek games in the Family Zone, or will community service be OK?
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • May 11, 2024
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MalcSB

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #101
SBT said:
The maximum sentence for fraud is 10 years in prison. Is that a fair punishment for missing midweek games in the Family Zone, or will community service be OK?
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Maximum sentence isn’t mandatory. I’d be fine with community service as a punishment for ripping the club.
 
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MalcSB

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #102
Covcraig@bury said:
I pay full price and can’t attend all games , I don’t get value for money but I don’t complain. I also pay for fuel , a full tank to get to games and back . Maybe I should ask Doug for a fuel card
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Only if you will use it for more than 13 times a season.
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #103
hill83 said:
After all my whinging I’m not even in the family zone.
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skyblu3sk

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #104
Honestly I get where Doug is coming from here, He got absolutely battered in to extending the family zone last season allowing a lot of cheap adult tickets to be sold and a lot of seats locked out at £50 which is bloody cheap. On top of this people don't turn up which reduces the amount made through the food and beverage tills. 1/3rd of tickets not being used is frankly taking the piss.
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • May 11, 2024
  • #105
bigfatronssba said:
The FZ area sold out in about two weeks last year.

A ticket there is a privilege, not a right.
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It's not just the family area where season ticket holders aren't turning up . There are vast areas of the north stand in general where ticket holders aren't showing up even for bigger matches .
Going on holiday is a privilege , not a right . Lots of families go on holiday in August and buy a season ticket knowing full well they may miss a match during the summer holidays. Still they shell out for a ticket though. Perhaps they should consider the consequences of this move by the club before shelling out .
 
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