Him playing a style you don't like doesn't make him a bad manager thoughYou keep arguing, again and again, that if you don’t like slow sideways possession based football you want caveman hoofing. Wrong. I want to see pass and move football, trying to get towards the goal with purpose and generally focus on creating goal scoring opportunities rather than retaining possession with no purpose other than denying it to the opposition.
See how Liverpool have played this season just gone as an example, PSG another.
Yes just checked it. Got to two finals in 2012. Copa del ray and EuropaWhich finals, precious?
I'm just sorry I couldn't come up with a decent Tolkien pun, tbh.Yes just checked it. Got to two finals in 2012. Copa del ray and Europa
Precious x
Edit- just seen what you did. My bad. Made myself look a right mug
I didn't say the style made him a bad manager, I said wanting to play the same way 'even if you lost every game' makes him a bad manager. The way he prefers to play is fine when you have elite players to work with, as Kompany does at Bayern, Guardiola has always had, and 'Enzo' has at Chelsea. It's also fine when you have strong technical players relative to the league you're in, as Martin did at Southampton.Him playing a style you don't like doesn't make him a bad manager though
Possession worked very well for years and he clearly took it on as his preferred way of playing. And he's had some success with it so more power to him
But if kompany had change his style to keep Burnley up(and let's not pretend that's changed ins tyle automatically keeps you up) then he wouldn't have honed the skills required for Bayern jobI didn't say the style made him a bad manager, I said wanting to play the same way 'even if you lost every game' makes him a bad manager. The way he prefers to play is fine when you have elite players to work with, as Kompany does at Bayern, Guardiola has always had, and 'Enzo' has at Chelsea. It's also fine when you have strong technical players relative to the league you're in, as Martin did at Southampton.
When your players aren't good enough, either absolutely or relative to the league, it's asking for punishment. Which is what Kompany found at Burnley and Martin once in the Prem. He will again have that technical advantage at Rangers so should see them to second place fairly easily.
I don’t think he’s honed skills. Kompany for instance has got the Bayern job on his name. He didn’t hone any skills. He did alright at Anderlecht, went to Burnley with players better than the league. Then failed to adapt when the going got tough.But if kompany had change his style to keep Burnley up(and let's not pretend that's changed ins tyle automatically keeps you up) then he wouldn't have honed the skills required for Bayern job
He didn't get job cos he was a great CB though. He got it because of the style of football he playsI don’t think he’s honed skills. Kompany for instance has got the Bayern job on his name. He didn’t hone any skills. He did alright at Anderlecht, went to Burnley with players better than the league. Then failed to adapt when the going got tough.
At Bayern he’s gone to a club that had just lost to a freak season for Leverkusen, and with one of the best strikers in the world…. It’s made it easier for him to win the league.
Russel Martin for instance hasn’t got the pedigree as a player that Kompany did and has ended up at Rangers … I think there’s merit in what you’re saying re: style of play - has helped him, but Kompany for me is still unspectacular - as always with Bayern will come to how he does in the CL
Keeping Burnley up would have been a good achievement and to suggest it would have denied him the Bayern job instead of going down with 25 points is a bit ridiculous.But if kompany had change his style to keep Burnley up(and let's not pretend that's changed ins tyle automatically keeps you up) then he wouldn't have honed the skills required for Bayern job
Id say it's ridiculous to think of he had parked bus and stayed up that would have got him the Bayern job tbhKeeping Burnley up would have been a good achievement and to suggest it would have denied him the Bayern job instead of going down with 25 points is a bit ridiculous.
At Bayern he has the best team in Germany, he can play his possession based stuff there and get away with it.
So you're saying that when a manager's techniques are clearly not working, they should continue to fail their employers on the hope that a better job comes along?Id say it's ridiculous to think of he had parked bus and stayed up that would have got him the Bayern job tbh
Not what I'm saying. I have no doubt these managers believe that they can get their plan a to start working with their current team.So you're saying that when a manager's techniques are clearly not working, they should continue to fail their employers on the hope that a better job comes along?
Kompany's job was to get as much success as possible for Burnley. He did not have the necessary ability to achieve that. That Burnley squad was good enough to have stayed up with a better manager.
Even when the evidence to the contrary is staring them square in the face? When something's not working, in whatever line of work you are undertaking, then you need to try something else.Not what I'm saying. I have no doubt these managers believe that they can get their plan a to start working with their current team.
The best managers adapt to the players they’ve got, instead of imposing tactics on players who can’t carry them out.Not what I'm saying. I have no doubt these managers believe that they can get their plan a to start working with their current team.
Also kompany will be remembered as a success at Burnley overall I have no doubt. People just put down achievements as oh anyone would have taken them up which is just silly.
Yes and that's true in all working environments. If, as a manager, you continue to tell someone to do something that they are not capable of, that's your fault, not theirsThe best managers adapt to the players they’ve got, instead of imposing tactics on players who can’t carry them out.
Well Dyche and Moyes can't adapt either. They play that style of football regardless of opposition, hence why they aren't going to attract those types of jobs. It's easy to play free flowing, expansive or possession based football when 95% of the time you're going to have massively superior players.Then why isn't Sean dyche managing Bayern Munich?
Or Moyes?
I understand the argument you need to adapt but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to change everything
Kompany and Martin may have been trying many different tweaks to the system that we don't know about but if they don't work they don't work
We know with Russel Slade that changing from tiki taka to pragmatic football doesn't always work so really it comes down to what the manager and board wanna try in an attempt to start winning games
Managing elite level players requires a different skill set.Then why isn't Sean dyche managing Bayern Munich?
Or Moyes?
I understand the argument you need to adapt but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to change everything
Kompany and Martin may have been trying many different tweaks to the system that we don't know about but if they don't work they don't work
We know with Russel Slade that changing from tiki taka to pragmatic football doesn't always work so really it comes down to what the manager and board wanna try in an attempt to start winning games
Down the Road from me….RBFC have moved up the leagues since my mate played for the 17/18 if they’re signing players to be paid (I assume).Will Bapaga signs for Rugby Borough (step 4 of Non-League)
I was talking to my estate agent, used to play for City as a youth, 20 years ago, and who now plays for Rugby Boro, he said a lot of these young lads don't want to join a Div 2 team because they can get a job and play semi-pro like Rugby Boro and get between 500-1000 a week for doing so.Done the Road from me….RBFC have moved up the leagues since my mate played for the 17/18 if they’re signing players to be paid (I assume).
Will Bapaga signs for Rugby Borough (step 4 of Non-League)
Rugby Borough have been doing great in recent years and it's great to see a local-ish team doing this. However there isn't a cat in hells chance they are paying players anything close to that.I was talking to my estate agent, used to play for City as a youth, 20 years ago, and who now plays for Rugby Boro, he said a lot of these young lads don't want to join a Div 2 team because they can get a job and play semi-pro like Rugby Boro and get between 500-1000 a week for doing so.
To be fair to Moyes, he did get one of those jobs, but at the worst possible time.Well Dyche and Moyes can't adapt either. They play that style of football regardless of opposition, hence why they aren't going to attract those types of jobs.
Arsenal were watching him too!!!We had high hopes for him. Hasn't gone to plan at all!
No. Hopefully he means that jobs, in addition to football "expenses" amount to that.Rugby Borough have been doing great in recent years and it's great to see a local-ish team doing this. However there isn't a cat in hells chance they are paying players anything close to that.
Which teams? This isn't just recency bias about psg is it?Managing elite level players requires a different skill set.
Sorry, it keeps getting pointed out to you that it isn’t a question of tiki taka or hoof it long. There are teams now showing an alternative to both that is not only more entertaining, it’s more effective.
Liverpool and Barcelona added to thatWhich teams? This isn't just recency bias about psg is it?
Same division as Rugby Town and Coventry Sphinx nowDown the Road from me….RBFC have moved up the leagues since my mate played for the 17/18 if they’re signing players to be paid (I assume).
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