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Grendel

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #281
shmmeee said:
Sad that this thread has been derailed, but the problem with the death penalty really is that the only thing going for it is satisfying blood lust. Doesn’t prevent crime, doesn’t save money, can end up killing innocent people.
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Its hardly been derailed

The brutal truth if we are being honest is both Mary Bell and Robert Thompson had rather depraved and miserable lives and in the end their lives were actually enhanced by the spending of money to rehabilitate after a heinous crime. Good in one way you may say or you could say their abhorrent acts - especially Thompson - means it was worth it as they were rewarded

This particular character seems to have zero morality and is very much akin to the behaviour traits of the likes of Jeffrey Dhamer - animal torture being a classic trait. Would you honestly ever want him released and living on your street on some vague assertion by a parole board and evaluation team that he’s been rehabilitated? The same people perhaps who decided Mr Pitchfork and Mr Venables back into society

So you then have incarceration for the remainder of his life. That could be say 70 years or more. They could get ailments and be treated as Mr Brady had. It’s not blood lust it’s the absurdity of caging an animal in a box until they die, never releasing them, in Brady’s case forcing food down him and in Dennis Neilsons case treating him with cancer care a care home person would probably not even get

it makes no sense
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #282
Nick said:
It would save money.

To keep that 14 year old in for life it could be in the millions.
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Median cost of a death penalty case in the US is $1.2m. You could keep someone in prison for almost 30 years for that.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #283
Grendel said:
Well another charming incident - possibly the worst yet - another failure of the social services system - and this delightful trio will possibly one day experience freedom again no doubt in the teenage nut jobs case with a new identity at tax payer expense

Logan Mwangi murder: Mum, stepdad and teen sentenced - BBC News

A judge says the attack on the "defenceless" Logan Mwangi was "nothing short of horrifying".
www.bbc.co.uk
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You think we should execute a 14 year old ok then
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #284
shmmeee said:
Median cost of a death penalty case in the US is $1.2m. You could keep someone in prison for almost 30 years for that.
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Why we compare the us I have no idea
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #285
Nick said:
It would save money.

To keep that 14 year old in for life it could be in the millions.
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When did we last execute a child?
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #286
Grendel said:
so that’s the issue you have with the death penalty?
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One of many!

shmmeee said:
Sad that this thread has been derailed, but the problem with the death penalty really is that the only thing going for it is satisfying blood lust. Doesn’t prevent crime, doesn’t save money, can end up killing innocent people.
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I don’t think the thread’s been derailed at all - it’s a good discussion, not to mention one that certain posters are routinely desperate to dredge up!

I don’t think this is about blood lust though - more than anything I think it’s a form of virtue signalling. When the crimes are so horrendous and repulsive as the one we’re talking about, I think it’s almost impossible to conceive of any response that would be appropriate. But we have to show the rest of society that we’re not like these other people somehow, so we may as well demand that monstrous people face the same monstrous consequences. To talk about showing mercy to someone like this, even giving them a second chance in life, sounds crazy on the face of it. And yet here we are.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #287
Grendel said:
Why we compare the us I have no idea
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Syria or China are better comparisons, sure.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #288
Deleted member 5849 said:
Syria or China are better comparisons, sure.
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Japan?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #289
Grendel said:
Japan?
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OK, we won’t use the $1.2m figure from the states, we’ll use the $2.4m figure from Japan.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #290
shmmeee said:
OK, we won’t use the $1.2m figure from the states, we’ll use the $2.4m figure from Japan.
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NW was talking about the morality side. Cost actually is irrelevant - what issue do you have with the Japan methodology of determining death and in this instance on cost benefit analysis you lose anyway.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #291
Grendel said:
Japan?
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Based on confessions where no lawyers are present and there's suspicion are extracted from people, you mean, with no recordings of said confessions? The Japan where a number stay on death row for over a decade (yes, cost)? The Japan where there's limited opportunity for a re-trial? The Japan where Amnesty International say " many of those facing the death penalty are innocent"?

Still, they never got round to executing this chap, I suppose.

Iwao Hakamata - Wikipedia

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SBT

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #292
Grendel said:
Cost actually is irrelevant
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It was one of your main arguments in this thread not even a year ago

Grendel said:
All this nonsense about sterilising - he’s hardly seeing the light of day again - just save tax payer money and pass a law that allows a judge to pass the death penalty without any right to appeal the sentence only the crime
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #293
Deleted member 5849 said:
Based on confessions where no lawyers are present and there's suspicion are extracted from people, you mean? The Japan where a number stay on death row for over a decade? The Japan where there's limited opportunity for a re-trial? The Japan where Amnesty International say " many of those facing the death penalty are innocent"?

Still, they never got round to executing this chap, I suppose.

Iwao Hakamata - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org
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You are always going to find anomalies but I’m sorry one thing I don’t believe is you’d ever want this individual ever being your next door neighbour and as that’s a one in a million chance it’s easy to say it’s someone else’s issue

Shut him in a cage for 70 years - is that humane?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #294
SBT said:
It was one of your main arguments in this thread not even a year ago
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well in this case it is cheaper isn’t it?

the cost issue is also spurious as it doesn’t include the health care afforded to the likes of the charming Mr Neilson
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #295
Grendel said:
You are always going to find anomalies but I’m sorry one thing I don’t believe is you’d ever want this individual ever being your next door neighbour and as that’s a one in a million chance it’s easy to say it’s someone else’s issue

Shut him in a cage for 70 years - is that humane?
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You’re almost psychotic when it comes to this stuff
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #296
Grendel said:
well in this case it is cheaper isn’t it?

the cost issue is also spurious as it doesn’t include the health care afforded to the likes of the charming Mr Neilson
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Who cares? It’s irrelevant apparently.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #297
Sky Blue Pete said:
You’re almost psychotic when it comes to this stuff
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I think it’s psychotic to defend and allow individuals freedoms when denying others - Eric smith has a life now his 4 year old victim he brutally murdered hasn’t. I don’t see how it’s revenge

Many not caught at a young age who killed family members ended up committing multiple murders - Edmund Kemper I believe is an example of this
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #298
SBT said:
Who cares? It’s irrelevant apparently.
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not as irrelevant as the Birmingham 6 - you’d im sure find a post I made about them once if you look hard enough
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 1, 2022
  • #299
Grendel said:
I think it’s psychotic to defend and allow individuals freedoms when denying others - Eric smith has a life now his 4 year old victim he brutally murdered hasn’t. I don’t see how it’s revenge

Many not caught at a young age who killed family members ended up committing multiple murders - Edmund Kemper I believe is an example of this
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Did you misspeak at the top?
Did you mean who’ve rather than when

As a state we can do what the individual has done to someone for which they are punished.Or we can do better than they did.

We are caught between two ways of thinking

Uncivilised eye for an eye or worse
Civilised believing that people can change and are worthy of making amends for their actions in all but the worst crimes

The lad is 14 and has been brought up by liars and in a dehumanising environment.

I don’t know which system works in terms of a successful society I genuinely don’t

I felt the real dad spoke well and was overwhelming sad he couldn’t protect his lad

And I’m sorry g that was low about being psychotic.

In my voluntary work in prison I see many people who have a lot to offer society but no work goes on to train them to think for themselves and because of the nature of their crimes the odds are so stacked against them with work and independence
 

dutchman

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  • Jul 2, 2022
  • #300
Nick said:
It would save money.

To keep that 14 year old in for life it could be in the millions.
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He won't be kept in for life though. He'll be free in five years time, given a new identity and the media banned from revealing who he is.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 2, 2022
  • #301
dutchman said:
He won't be kept in for life though. He'll be free in five years time, given a new identity and the media banned from revealing who he is.
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Rightly? In your opinion? Depends what he does I suppose
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 2, 2022
  • #302
We haven’t executed someone as young as 14 since the mid 19th century. Why is that?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 2, 2022
  • #303
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We haven’t executed someone as young as 14 since the mid 19th century. Why is that?
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We’re soft and let criminals get away with it? They’ll be people genuinely who think that’s a bad thing
 

Otis

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  • Jul 2, 2022
  • #304
It's the 21st century. The death penalty should never, ever be brought back.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Jul 2, 2022
  • #305
Otis said:
It's the 21st century. The death penalty should never, ever be brought back.
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I think it should, but it should only be used for the worst crimes like swearing and blasphemy.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 2, 2022
  • #306
Sky Blue Pete said:
We’re soft and let criminals get away with it? They’ll be people genuinely who think that’s a bad thing
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Even the Victorians came to stop executing people as young as that, not through law mind you. What a message to send to the world-we’re back to executing children
 

dutchman

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  • Jul 2, 2022
  • #307
Sky Blue Pete said:
Rightly? In your opinion?
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There's no way of knowing. He could be a totally reformed character in five year's time or made worse by his experiences between now and then.

At some point in the future he could be living next door to a family with a small child and they would have no idea who he was unless something terrible happened.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 2, 2022
  • #308
dutchman said:
There's no way of knowing. He could be a totally reformed character in five year's time or made worse by his experiences between now and then.

At some point in the future he could be living next door to a family with a small child and they would have no idea who he was unless something terrible happened.
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Very true
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jul 2, 2022
  • #309
SBAndy said:
I think it should, but it should only be used for the worst crimes like swearing and blasphemy.
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You are Neil Gorsuch and I claim my $5.
 

The Great Eastern

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 3, 2022
  • #310
Brighton Sky Blue said:
When did we last execute a child?
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According to wikipedia, Alice Glaston was hanged at the age of 11 in Much Wenlock in 1546. Doesnt say what she did but it was speculated that it was for murder or witchcraft.
Youngest boy to be executed was John Dean in 1629 who was either 8 or 9 and was given the death sentence for arson. He committed the crime, was caught, tried and had his sentence decided, all in the same day... Executed soon after.
 
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Macca

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #311
Life sentence to match the one he handed out. Execution feels entirely wrong
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #312
Macca said:
Life sentence to match the one he handed out. Execution feels entirely wrong
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We know life means probably 10 or so years for the 14 year old though that doesn’t seem enough, even for a woolly liberal like me
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 4, 2022
  • #313
Sky Blue Pete said:
We know life means probably 10 or so years for the 14 year old though that doesn’t seem enough, even for a woolly liberal like me
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Out at 24...
 
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Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #314
Mother and her bodybuilder partner are both jailed for 39 years for murder of her 15-year-old son | Daily Mail Online

Another awful one, the little video clip is sad to see, can't imagine how the police and jurors etc got through seeing all the videos.
 
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rob9872

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  • Nov 3, 2022
  • #315
Horrible story .... but posted by the best username on this site. Makes me giggle like the immature schoolboy I am every time.
 
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