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Every time we have conceded a howler (9 Viewers)

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letsallsingtogether

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #71
itsabuzzard said:
Who are you going to send the tweet to?

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Sorry just seen that bloody auto correct bollocks.
TWEEK!
 
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itsabuzzard

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #72
letsallsingtogether said:
Sorry just seen that bloody auto correct bollocks.
TWEEK!
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No worries. Just thought you had the hotline to someone who could make everything right! Hope is crushed once again


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Otis

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #73
letsallsingtogether said:
And If we had scored all those sitters we had missed we would be well clear at the top of the league and three howlers wouldn't have even mattered.
Just think that people are missing the bigger picture GK is the least of our problems IMHO.
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Not sure you can argue that though. They may have been sitters, but what's not to say they might have been saved by the keepers.

The howlers WERE conceded and besides, were these sitters the actual difference between winning and losing? Between losing and drawing? When did they occur in the games? Were they to put us in the lead, or achieve level pegging?

With the horrendous goalkeeping errors they have cost us all 3 points. Can't remember if it was Forest Green or Newport, but they hadn't even had a sniff of our goal all game and it was a hopeful potshot from some 30 yards out and bang we are 1-0 down and then just couldn't break them down the rest of the game.

It was so definitive.

I know we have problems scoring for sure, but have an excellent defence. Crazy, bonkers errors by the keepers is going to kill us because we don't score many.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #74
Anyone see edersons mistake today???
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #75
Otis said:
Not sure you can argue that though. They may have been sitters, but what's not to say they might have been saved by the keepers.

The howlers WERE conceded and besides, were these sitters the actual difference between winning and losing? Between losing and drawing? When did they occur in the games? Were they to put us in the lead, or achieve level pegging?

With the horrendous goalkeeping errors they have cost us all 3 points. Can't remember if it was Forest Green or Newport, but they hadn't even had a sniff of our goal all game and it was a hopeful potshot from some 30 yards out and bang we are 1-0 down and then just couldn't break them down the rest of the game.

It was so definitive.

I know we have problems scoring for sure, but have an excellent defence. Crazy, bonkers errors by the keepers is going to kill us because we don't score many.
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Same can be said if we had another keeper in goal ok no howlers (Hard to imagine) but what if he hadn't made some of the saves our keepers had made.
How much would you have to pay for a keeper that makes no howlers if you can find one?
As for the defence did they do there job tackling the player or clearing the ball before the player was able to benifit from these goalkeeping errors.
On Saturday they got past the whole squad before getting the goal, no one even stuck a foot in, I mean the guy who had the shot was completely unmarked in the middle of the pitch.
Don't get me wrong it was a howler and a shit goal,he miss hit it and was lucky it was on target, but he shouldn't have even had the chance to do it.
 

Otis

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #76
letsallsingtogether said:
Same can be said if we had another keeper in goal ok no howlers (Hard to imagine) but what if he hadn't made some of the saves our keepers had made.
How much would you have to pay for a keeper that makes no howlers if you can find one?
As for the defence did they do there job tackling the player or clearing the ball before the player was able to benifit from these goalkeeping errors.
On Saturday they got past the whole squad before getting the goal, no one even stuck a foot in, I mean the guy who had the shot was completely unmarked in the middle of the pitch.
Don't get me wrong it was a howler and a shit goal,he miss hit it and was lucky it was on target, but he shouldn't have even had the chance to do it.
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No idea why he came for that. For me, Willis had that covered and I am sure he would have got to that ball first.

As you say, we are not scoring many. To gift the opposition goals is going to kill us.
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #77
Sky Blue Pete said:
Anyone see edersons mistake today???
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Prem goalkeepers making mistakes Never
 

Otis

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #78
letsallsingtogether said:
Prem goalkeepers making mistakes Never
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But as I keep saying, all keepers make mistakes. All defenders make mistakes.

Could be a dropped cross, a bit of a flap, or a defender giving away a pen or not marking properly.

Bit different from the complete clangers, which are things like letting a shot from 35 yards slip under your body, or a defender playing a suicidal backpass.

You have a defender make two suicidal back passes in succession he will be dropped. Same as a keeper letting two really, really soft goals in.

Think it is all about degrees. There's mistakes and then there are total abominations.
 

Johhny Blue

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #79
Liquid Gold said:
I can’t remember a massive howler in our favour. Maybe McNulty against Grimsby But it seems that we’ve lost more points from our ineptute than we’ve gained from other team’s being bad. Capitalising on mistakes is what league two is what it’s all about in this league and it doesn’t seem like we’re doing that
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I'm pretty sure if Burge had conceded a goal like Doyle's it would have been called a "Howler"
 

Johhny Blue

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #80
Londonccfcfan said:
I have seen 24 other keepers in this league who are better. And in those matches haven’t seen an opposition make a howler.
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Go back and watch all of our goals. Lots of keeper errors especially positioning.
 

Johhny Blue

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #81
Otis said:
Not so sure.

There are three games highlighted above. 3 howlers, 3, 1-0 defeats. Without those that would have equated to 3 points more.

3 points more would put us in 3rd place and in the automatic positions and not 8th place outside the playoffs.

And as someone said last night, it's not just a mistake like that IN the playoffs, what happens if it happens if we need a point for promotion, or to get IN the playoffs?

Howlers like this, this level of howler, could cost us so very dearly.
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But just 1 more goal scored an we would be in a playoff position
 

Gazolba

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #82
Otis said:
Have we gone on to lose?

Not talking about just plain old mistakes. I am talking about absolute howlers such as today and O'Brien's two etc.

Am I right in thinking every time we have conceded an absolute abomination of a goal we have lost?
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There are howlers at both ends. How about all the 'sitters' our so-called strikers missed?
Or the corners that never made it past the first defender.
We need to cut out the mistakes all over the pitch.
 

Otis

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #83
Just how many sitters have we had though exactly? Aren't they a bit of a myth?

Have we actually had that many where it has been much, much easier to score than miss?

The equivalent to a goalkeeping howler such as Burge's awful error would be missing an absolute open goal at the other end.

And on Doyle's goal, I would say that was a mistake, rather than a howler. No-one expected that and it totally caught the keeper by surprise. Yeah, sure, he should have done better, but a howler? No, I don't think so at all.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #84
Otis said:
Not sure you can argue that though. They may have been sitters, but what's not to say they might have been saved by the keepers.

The howlers WERE conceded and besides, were these sitters the actual difference between winning and losing? Between losing and drawing? When did they occur in the games? Were they to put us in the lead, or achieve level pegging?

With the horrendous goalkeeping errors they have cost us all 3 points. Can't remember if it was Forest Green or Newport, but they hadn't even had a sniff of our goal all game and it was a hopeful potshot from some 30 yards out and bang we are 1-0 down and then just couldn't break them down the rest of the game.

It was so definitive.

I know we have problems scoring for sure, but have an excellent defence. Crazy, bonkers errors by the keepers is going to kill us because we don't score many.
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you sort of proved your own argument wrong there Otis by saying we have an excellent defence. Surely that tells you exactly where we need to strengthen?

I've been patient with Biamou and would still like to keep him at the club but we need to add a striker(s) in the window.
If we don't I can see us filing to make the play offs.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #85
Otis said:
But as I keep saying, all keepers make mistakes. All defenders make mistakes.

Could be a dropped cross, a bit of a flap, or a defender giving away a pen or not marking properly.

Bit different from the complete clangers, which are things like letting a shot from 35 yards slip under your body, or a defender playing a suicidal backpass.

You have a defender make two suicidal back passes in succession he will be dropped. Same as a keeper letting two really, really soft goals in.

Think it is all about degrees. There's mistakes and then there are total abominations.
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Edersons was a total abomination
 

Otis

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #86
clint van damme said:
you sort of proved your own argument wrong there Otis by saying we have an excellent defence. Surely that tells you exactly where we need to strengthen?

I've been patient with Biamou and would still like to keep him at the club but we need to add a striker(s) in the window.
If we don't I can see us filing to make the play offs.
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Well yeah, I know that. Perhaps I didn't explain myself very well.

I would love a new keeper here, but I think our priority at the moment has to be at the other end of the pitch unless MR has the budget to stretch to a keeper too and I have sort of already dismissed that notion.
 
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Otis

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #87
Sky Blue Pete said:
Edersons was a total abomination
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Which goal was that?

I only caught little bits of the game. I think I saw two of Liverpool's goals.

What happened?

And in Edersons defence, he has been absolutely brilliant for them all season. Burge has always been a bit wobbly.
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #88
Otis said:
Which goal was that?

I only caught little bits of the game. I think I saw two of Liverpool's goals.

What happened?

And in Edersons defence, he has been absolutely brilliant for them all season. Burge has always been a bit wobbly.
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Well there you go One is a National Goalkeeper playing for one of Europe's top teams, the other plays for Cov!
And if you go on their fan forums there are quie a few that Slag him off.
 

Otis

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #89
letsallsingtogether said:
Well there you go One is a National Goalkeeper playing for one of Europe's top teams, the other plays for Cov!
And if you go on their fan forums there are quie a few that Slag him off.
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Hmm, still not convinced. Haven't seen the goal, so would need to see it, but the Beeb site says ManCity gave away 'sloppy goals,' whereas on Saturday SSN said the Burge one was a horrendous howler and a calamity.

Need to see the Man City one to be honest.

For me, that Burge one is one of the worst ever I have seen in all my years from a City goalkeeper.
 

Otis

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #90
Just watched it. Yep, that goal was a howler. Burge's was 10 times worse though unfortunately.

The main problem with Burge's was that he came for a ball that he was never ever going to get and it was a suicidal rush from his line. No idea what possessed him, I really haven't.

A moment of sheer madness.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #91
Our problem is that we're seen as a big scalp in a league where teams are happy to sit with 11 men behind the ball, frustrate, foul and time waste for 90 minutes. Gifts like the one Burge presented to Exeter on Saturday are much more costly than a striker missing a goal because it completely changes the game. Burge has previous with this too, I had hoped he'd improved but he seems to be slipping back in to old habits and that wasn't a mistake it was something you'd chastise a 7 year old for, no professional footballer should make plays that bad.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #92
Liquid Gold said:
Our problem is that we're seen as a big scalp in a league where teams are happy to sit with 11 men behind the ball, frustrate, foul and time waste for 90 minutes. Gifts like the one Burge presented to Exeter on Saturday are much more costly than a striker missing a goal because it completely changes the game. Burge has previous with this too, I had hoped he'd improved but he seems to be slipping back in to old habits and that wasn't a mistake it was something you'd chastise a 7 year old for, no professional footballer should make plays that bad.
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Didn't help them having a building site that wasted a good minute of time every time the ball went over.

There is no need for Burge to even attempt that, it was on Willis right foot as well who could have put his foot through it.



The attempt at the save afterwards was very poor as well.
 

Otis

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  • Jan 15, 2018
  • #93
Nick said:
Didn't help them having a building site that wasted a good minute of time every time the ball went over.

There is no need for Burge to even attempt that, it was on Willis right foot as well who could have put his foot through it.

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The attempt at the save afterwards was very poor as well.
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Yeah. Like he had already given up on it.
 
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