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Every time we have conceded a howler (1 Viewer)

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Otis

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #1
Have we gone on to lose?

Not talking about just plain old mistakes. I am talking about absolute howlers such as today and O'Brien's two etc.

Am I right in thinking every time we have conceded an absolute abomination of a goal we have lost?
 

stevefloyd

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #2
Yes because we can't score
 
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skybluepm2

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #3
Newport - by the howler 0-1
Yeovil - contributed but lost by more than 1
Forest Green - by the howler 0-1
Exeter - by the howler 0-1
 
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NortonSkyBlue

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #4
skybluepm2 said:
Newport - by the howler 0-1
Yeovil - contributed but lost by more than 1
Forest Green - by the howler 0-1
Exeter - by the howler 0-1
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Do you notice a south west geographical coincidence occurring there?
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #5
It depends if it’s only this season. What was that game when burge belly flopped at a free kick and we were 2 down but won - Peterborough?
 
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stevefloyd

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #6
Narrow it down a bit Grendel
 
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cov4theprem

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #7
Anagram - Lee Burge again = Lee Garbage (iun?)
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #8
This is basic simple league cut out the howlers play the percentages and you don’t lose and give yourself a chance.

We don’t seem to grasp this.

Also why do the howlers happen in first 30 mins. Then obviously teams sit on this for rest of the game.
 

ccfcway

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #9
Londonccfcfan said:
Also why do the howlers happen in first 30 mins. Then obviously teams sit on this for rest of the game.
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if anything that helps as it gives us a chance. If it was last 10 mins, it would almost certainly be fatal.
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #10
ccfcway said:
if anything that helps as it gives us a chance. If it was last 10 mins, it would almost certainly be fatal.
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Look at that way or First goal in this league is crucial. So don’t buy that.

It’s constant time wasting after that.
 

ccfcway

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #11
Londonccfcfan said:
Look at that way or First goal in this league is crucial. So don’t buy that.

It’s constant time wasting after that.
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you'd rather we conceed a howler at 0-0 in the last 10 mins or in the first 10 mins ?
 

Otis

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #12
Not at all would be better.
 
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Londonccfcfan

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #13
ccfcway said:
you'd rather we conceed a howler at 0-0 in the last 10 mins or in the first 10 mins ?
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First goal is absolutely crucial. I’d back us to get it in 80 mins.

Just pointing out they are usually early. Also doesn’t do much for the confidence rest of the match as proved today one mistake or Miskito after another.

If we score first we win, when we don’t it’s tough. As like today, even though they were at home Exeter were not interested in 2nd goal. Just sat on their lead. It’s tough to get behind when all 11 are behind the balll.
 

cov4theprem

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #14
To be fair Burge reacted really quickly to move his left hand away,else otherwise he might have hurt it as he palmed it away from goal
 
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markfrenchskyblu

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #15
One or two howlers but if we had somebody who could help mac up front and put the ball in tihe net at the end of the day it should have been the same team that played stoke blame robins he picks the team

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ccfcway

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #16
Londonccfcfan said:
If we score first we win, when we don’t it’s tough. As like today, even though they were at home Exeter were not interested in 2nd goal. Just sat on their lead. It’s tough to get behind when all 11 are behind the balll.
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well we need to work out a way to break down League Two defences. Its not Serie A
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #17
Other clubs must have the same issue. Keepers that are consistent and never making mistakes aren't playing in L2.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #18
I can’t remember a massive howler in our favour. Maybe McNulty against Grimsby But it seems that we’ve lost more points from our ineptute than we’ve gained from other team’s being bad. Capitalising on mistakes is what league two is what it’s all about in this league and it doesn’t seem like we’re doing that
 
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Otis

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #19
chiefdave said:
Other clubs must have the same issue. Keepers that are consistent and never making mistakes aren't playing in L2.
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It's the degree of the mistake I am focusing on. All keepers will make errors, but the one today was truly horrendous. As were the two O'Brien ones.

We are talking way past just mistakes here.
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #20
Liquid Gold said:
I can’t remember a massive howler in our favour. Maybe McNulty against Grimsby But it seems that we’ve lost more points from our ineptute than we’ve gained from other team’s being bad. Capitalising on mistakes is what league two is what it’s all about in this league and it doesn’t seem like we’re doing that
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Very good point.
 

no_loyalty

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #21
chiefdave said:
Other clubs must have the same issue. Keepers that are consistent and never making mistakes aren't playing in L2.
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Burge is a good shot stopper, but is always capable of making the odd mistake, but I agree that all keepers at this level could also do the same
 

olderskyblue

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #22
chiefdave said:
Other clubs must have the same issue. Keepers that are consistent and never making mistakes aren't playing in L2.
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It's not just L2. Check out some of oggy's mistakes. Even in the cup final.
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #23
no_loyalty said:
Burge is a good shot stopper, but is always capable of making the odd mistake, but I agree that all keepers at this level could also do the same
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I have seen 24 other keepers in this league who are better. And in those matches haven’t seen an opposition make a howler.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jan 13, 2018
  • #24
We don’t need anything special between the sticks. We need someone that doesn’t make huge mistakes and we don’t have that. Burge has made huge strides this year but he’s still not the keeper that can take us up. I was happy seeing his name on the team sheet today but this game has clarified how much we need a keeper that can do the basics.
 
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Gilbo

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #25
olderskyblue said:
It's not just L2. Check out some of oggy's mistakes. Even in the cup final.
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601 games for the club. Oggy saved us a lot more than he cost us. Spurs 1996?
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #26
Just watched the goal on tv and Christ that is a howler and a half, i am not a habitual Burge moaner but I’m not sure how he explains that to his gaffer!
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #27
Burge deserves criticism for the howler yesterday but suggestions that he’ll cost us promotion are very far fetched unless we’re talking about a howler during the playoffs. It’s the lack of goals that are costing us this season. It’s a tight tight league. One loss causing us to drop from automatics to outside of the playoffs at this point in the season shows this. We need more goals and we’ll clinch third and automatics. Otherwise we’re in the lottery of the playoffs or maybe even the lottery of making the playoffs.
 

stevefloyd

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #28
Londonccfcfan said:
I have seen 24 other keepers in this league who are better. And in those matches haven’t seen an opposition make a howler.
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But are they better or is it our strikers that make them look better?
 

Otis

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #29
skybluetony176 said:
Burge deserves criticism for the howler yesterday but suggestions that he’ll cost us promotion are very far fetched unless we’re talking about a howler during the playoffs. It’s the lack of goals that are costing us this season. It’s a tight tight league. One loss causing us to drop from automatics to outside of the playoffs at this point in the season shows this. We need more goals and we’ll clinch third and automatics. Otherwise we’re in the lottery of the playoffs or maybe even the lottery of making the playoffs.
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Not so sure.

There are three games highlighted above. 3 howlers, 3, 1-0 defeats. Without those that would have equated to 3 points more.

3 points more would put us in 3rd place and in the automatic positions and not 8th place outside the playoffs.

And as someone said last night, it's not just a mistake like that IN the playoffs, what happens if it happens if we need a point for promotion, or to get IN the playoffs?

Howlers like this, this level of howler, could cost us so very dearly.
 

stevefloyd

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #30
Let's see how Robins reacts now LOB was dropped after his errors .. over to you Mark
 

Otis

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #31
stevefloyd said:
Let's see how Robins reacts now LOB was dropped after his errors .. over to you Mark
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Yesterday's one was such a head-shakingly bad one. For the life of me I have absolutely no idea why he came for that ball and he wasn't even remotely close to even being in a position to get anywhere near the ball first anyway.

Crazy goalkeeping.
 

stevefloyd

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #32
If he had trusted Willis then Willis could have had an easy nod back to Burge because apart from that Exeter never looked like scoring...a bit like us really
 

olderskyblue

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #33
Gilbo said:
601 games for the club. Oggy saved us a lot more than he cost us. Spurs 1996?
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The point was that Oggy was a prem keeper, but still made mistakes. Burge is L2. So will make more. He has made some excellent saves too.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #34
Otis said:
Not so sure.

There are three games highlighted above. 3 howlers, 3, 1-0 defeats. Without those that would have equated to 3 points more.

3 points more would put us in 3rd place and in the automatic positions and not 8th place outside the playoffs.

And as someone said last night, it's not just a mistake like that IN the playoffs, what happens if it happens if we need a point for promotion, or to get IN the playoffs?

Howlers like this, this level of howler, could cost us so very dearly.
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But if we scored more goals those points lost through goalkeeping errors (a trait of goalkeepers at this level) wouldn’t count as much. It’s the teams that score goals go up automatically. All goalies at this level are prone to mistakes but not all teams at this level struggle for goals (helped by the aforementioned quality of goalies at this level no doubt). It’s the lack of goals that will cost us. Unless of course it’s a goalkeeping howler that knocks us out of the playoffs.
 

Otis

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  • Jan 14, 2018
  • #35
skybluetony176 said:
But if we scored more goals those points lost through goalkeeping errors (a trait of goalkeepers at this level) wouldn’t count as much. It’s the teams that score goals go up automatically. All goalies at this level are prone to mistakes but not all teams at this level struggle for goals (helped by the aforementioned quality of goalies at this level no doubt). It’s the lack of goals that will cost us. Unless of course it’s a goalkeeping howler that knocks us out of the playoffs.
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Scenario for you. Say the league positions are as they were on Saturday at 5 to 3. Imagine it's the last game of the season.

That blunder would have lost us an automatic promotion place and not even earned us a playoff place. From 3rd to 8th.

I accept all keepers make mistakes. That though yesterday was pure madness. Could prove to be the difference.
 
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