Juve might be ok with it . They are the whores of world football. I watched them play in a bar in Venice. The place was rammed with plastics. I shouted next train to Turin at the end of the game and nearly got thumpedHow’s this landing with Madrid, juve, Milan fans etc? Same as English supporters?
It's quite an unusual situation in Spain which has its roots in history and mainly territorial because Catalunya has always seen itself independent to Spain as it was for a period back in the seventeenth century .This situation was compounded by the 1936-1939 civil war.How’s this landing with Madrid, juve, Milan fans etc? Same as English supporters?
So what's the option?Difficult to punish the clubs because fans of those clubs don’t deserve to see their clubs destroyed by the actions of greedy owners
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They were talking to people in the far East yesterday on the news and they loved the idea, but of course they don't go to matches anyway. That's who it's going to appeal to the most. Those in far flung places who only ever watch games on TV anyway.
This is just a rambling nonsense. TV deals are going down because of two things IMO, over-saturation of the market and expansion of tournaments like the Champions League (to please the very same clubs now saying they are leaving) resulting in more meaningless games. The solution isn't to throw more meaningless games onto the market!Perez - Real Madrid president speaking at the moment. Absolutely incredible. Can’t believe some of the things he is coming out with.
/decides now is the time to go for a walkFootball has been losing its soul ever since Thatcher. The aspirational have been co-opted into becoming Tories despite this being a socialist country. People should wake up to some harsh political realities - it may already be too late.
Football has been losing its soul ever since Thatcher. The aspirational have been co-opted into becoming Tories despite this being a socialist country. People should wake up to some harsh political realities - it may already be too late.
Football has been losing its soul ever since Thatcher. The aspirational have been co-opted into becoming Tories despite this being a socialist country. People should wake up to some harsh political realities - it may already be too late.
This is just a rambling nonsense. TV deals are going down because of two things IMO, over-saturation of the market and expansion of tournaments like the Champions League (to please the very same clubs now saying they are leaving) resulting in more meaningless games. The solution isn't to throw more meaningless games onto the market!
Its not rocket science, if big clubs are losing money stop spending so much! That would actually benefit the whole football pyramid. How much better would it be for us if clubs who had been in the PL weren't spending such ridiculous amounts and didn't have millions in parachute payments? And the other clubs in the Championship weren't happily losing tens of millions a season in the hope of reaching the promised land?
Also how do you complain about clubs losing money while owners are extracting eye watering amounts?
As for saying that players won't be banned from national teams and that teams can't be thrown out of domestic competitions how will that work exactly? The England team is the responsibly of the FA and the competitions the responsibly of FIFA & UEFA. If certain players are suspended they can't play. Even if they aren't suspended the FA can just instruct the manager not to select players from certain teams.
Similarly with the domestic leagues. There are rules that govern who can play in them. Or is he suggesting a free for all and Sepalla can just announce we're now a Premier League club and nobody can do anything about it?
If he thinks he can fall back on EU law he needs someone to tell him the English clubs are based in a country that's no longer in the EU.
"If no Super League football will die by 2024" this is the most bonkers statement of all. Even if every club in the Premier League and EFL went bust tomorrow phoenix clubs would emerge and a new league would be formed.
This keeps being said but what does it actually mean on a practical level. Its not like the Premier League, Serie A, Champions League etc aren't sold to those countries. What is going to make the rights to an ESL so much more valuable? Not to mention the plan seems to be not to add more fans, or should that be customers, to the existing numbers. They seem happy to push 'legacy' fans aside so even to tread water you've got to bring in a decent number of new fans.Think the issue is that it’s looking at the worldwide market. It’s a fuck you to their own countries but how many fans in Korea, India, China etc etc. What they probably haven’t counted on is the massive reaction from their fans which could affect sales, merchandise etc. Still cannot see it happening perosnally
Including us when we were complicit in forming the Premier League...and because of the tribalist nature, everyone who benefited was happy to welcome it/them with open arms.
Well, brain boxes; health care, education and football, all victims of vulture capitalism.
Including us when we were complicit in forming the Premier League...
If throwing them out of the Premier League is not legally possible, I hope the PL grows a pair and has the teams’ midweek league games played the day before or the day straight after one of these ESL games...the weekend games for these 6 teams should also be 3pm Saturday.
I don't see how its not possible. Its a clear breach of the rules.If throwing them out of the Premier League is not legally possible, I hope the PL grows a pair and has the teams’ midweek league games played the day before or the day straight after one of these ESL games...the weekend games for these 6 teams should also be 3pm Saturday.
The Times reported that Richard Masters (PL chief exec) has written to the clubs involved reminding them of that and that the ESL will not be sanctioned and therefore they would effectively be quitting the PL. The question of course is do the league have the guts to follow through and enforce their own rules.L.9. Except with the prior written approval of the board, during the season a club shall not enter or play its senior men's first team in any competition other than:
L.9.1 - The UEFA Champions League;
L.9.2 - The UEFA Europa League;
L.9.3 - The FA Cup;
L.9.4 - The FA Community Shield;
L.9.5 - The Football League Cup; or
L.9.6 - Competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member.
I don't see how its not possible. Its a clear breach of the rules.
The Times reported that Richard Masters (PL chief exec) has written to the clubs involved reminding them of that and that the ESL will not be sanctioned and therefore they would effectively be quitting the PL. The question of course is do the league have the guts to follow through and enforce their own rules.
I don't see how its not possible. Its a clear breach of the rules.
The Times reported that Richard Masters (PL chief exec) has written to the clubs involved reminding them of that and that the ESL will not be sanctioned and therefore they would effectively be quitting the PL. The question of course is do the league have the guts to follow through and enforce their own rules.
Dont see why not. What have the other 14 got to lose? Leicester, West Ham, Everton and Leeds suddenly become power houses, everyone else suddenly is six places further up the league.
If I were then I’d be itching to kick the fuckers out. The idea that everyone is richer when these clubs hold all youth to ransom and inflate wages and fees massively on their own is for the birds.
I think if this does go ahead it's going to be a logistical nightmare for everyone. If they remain in the domestic leagues it will probably be the end of the league and fa Cup due to fixture congestion. Managers and players will be against it because it will be too many matches, they are talking about putting in 18 extra matches for the group stage only for ESL.I'm interested in the logistics of this ESL arrangement.
If the six English clubs join the ESL, would their squad members all be barred from all English domestic competitions, CL, EL and the World Cup?
If so, a time will come when these clubs either need to buy or sell players. Assuming they are allowed to still buy from, say, the remaining PL teams, would players be willing to move if they lose their rights to play in English football or the WC, etc? Some undoubtedly will, because they're only in it for the money I guess, but would there be others who would not contemplate a move? if so, won't this limit the ESL clubs' access to a player pool?
Equally, at present, these clubs loan their young players out to EFL clubs but, won't they be barred from doing so if they join the ESL? Will this discourage young players from joining if their only future is to stay with their parent club with little or no hope of getting match experience?
Spoken like a true marxistAs Bielsa said: the corporate creep has happened in every walk of life why should football be any different.
The fascist right in the U.K. dominate the newspapers and all media outlets. They also own the offshore betting franchises which makes billions from the Asian markets. This is the cancer that now dominates European football. And now we have a Tory PM defending the integrity of a working class game. The irony.
Very trueI think if this does go ahead it's going to be a logistical nightmare for everyone. If they remain in the domestic leagues it will probably be the end of the league and fa Cup due to fixture congestion. Managers and players will be against it because it will be too many matches, they are talking about putting in 18 extra matches for the group stage only for ESL.
Then the new ESL apparently has 5 teams invited every year based on 'merit' but what happens if these teams turn down the invitation based on principle, how will this effect qualification for champions League and europa league assuming uefa insist these competitions continue as it is. Obviously teams won't be able to play in the ESL and champions League in the same season so working out who qualifies for what competition.
The only solution if it goes ahead is too kick them out of every other competition (think they will find it very hard to ban players from playing internationals (presumably the ESL has factored in international breaks when thinking of the schedule but wouldn't surprise me if they haven't or want to get rid of national teams)
Let them play there glorified pre season friendlies and let the real fans start up the clubs again from the bottom of the pyramid if they wish to do so.
This is being pushed by the yanks no doubt about it.
Saw this table if those 6 clubs are taken outDont see why not. What have the other 14 got to lose? Leicester, West Ham, Everton and Leeds suddenly become power houses, everyone else suddenly is six places further up the league.
Is quite funny seeing Sky and BT pundits, along with the owners of the remaining PL clubs, being outraged at the idea of money ruining the game.I think the pundits will have a decision to make.
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