I see the point your making but i would suggest that anti-racism and LGBTQ+ inclusion represent fundamental human dignity rather than political positions.As are LGBTQ+ and racism matters surely?
Yet we still took the knee for God knows how long and wear rainbow laces and armbands etc.
If you want this kind of politics out of football, then surely ALL politics should be out of football? We can't pick and choose and only inclusive the things we like/agree with. Thats not how life works.
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There are a couple of people who i'm sure would like to get involved but probably haven't seen it in the actual football part of the forum, so probably best to move.Yes, I don't disagree with either of your sentiments there.
Anyway, admins should probably take this to off-topic now so the usual can commence. We can then focus on the more important things on here, such as arguing about Bobby Thomas, Rudoni's hair, or how many players we are unlikely to sign - such as Jamie Vardy.
Must be something about that area as I’m sure our superstar singer Sunny Jatt Don’t Care sits in the same stand.yeah, if I don't have to sit by them
So politics is ok at football if it effects more people at the football?You can make a good argument that racism and homophobia effects far more people at a city game than asylum seekers do.
There's a big difference from showing solidarity with marginalised communities and shouting "stop the boats"
Yes, I don't disagree with either of your sentiments there.
Anyway, admins should probably take this to off-topic now so the usual can commence. We can then focus on the more important things on here, such as arguing about Bobby Thomas, Rudoni's hair, or how many players we are unlikely to sign - such as Jamie Vardy.
There was the same shit against Poles 20 years ago after they were allowed to come and work in the UK and various other groups of over people the previous decades.
I can almost guarantee, that they'll be a family member or close family friend of the young girl from Nuneaton that attends games at the ricoh. And, after
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Way to miss the pointSo politics is ok at football if it effects more people at the football?
Again, picking and choosing only politics you agree with.
I can almost guarantee, that they'll be a family member or close family friend of the young girl from Nuneaton that attends games at the ricoh. And, after the incident, I can all but guarantee that they will be in the "stop.the boats camp".
But by your reasoning, they're not entitled to that opinion, or their political views aren't welcome because there's less of them than LGBTQ folk.
You're either for politics at the football, or you're not! Don't sit on the fence and use minorities being opressed as your defence.
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Probably a Pompey fanWhy does he love the man that bankrupted Southampton and indirectly led SISU to us
Yes, but why has it come to that? Why are there protests outside hotels?
There's a bit of a reddit style mob on this thread, where people are getting more confident with saying empty platitudes because they're getting a lot of likes, but there is a lot of outrage with very little logic attached to it.
The reality is that Reform are flying in the polls, and many people will end up voting that way because there is little way of such civil discourse, as you mention, ever taking place. How many people on this thread have called Reform voters racist? I don't see, for example, many people on this thread debating in adult mode.
I understand it might not be everyone's politics, but whilst getting shouty on a thread and calling people names might make some feel good, we have the potential to see Reform winning a general election, or at least getting a lot of seats, and this makes it worse. it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone if it happens at this point. These people aren't all racist or far-right, many are normal people that walk between us that don't feel listened to by politicians or the people mentioned above.
This type of whataboutery is one of the reasons why there is such a big divide, imo.Is that the girl attacked by asylum seekers or the girls attacked by the white bloke from Nuneaton?
He went to the Villa, but hopefully they love Haji tooI can't stop people being racist cunts, but I do wish they wouldn't use my football club to push their agenda.
These same fucktards no doubt cheer Hadji when he scores a goal.
Why do you generalise anyone with a different political view as thick or illiterate?They might not ALL be racist, but they are all thick and gullible.
Few of them can string a sentence together or have an independent thought of their own.
None of them are capable of critical thinking (I genuinely am trying to find just one of them, who can use a reputable reference to back up one of their arguments).
And the majority have such a poor command of the English language, surely by their own logic they should be deported?
If Reform voters can't be bothered to learn the language, then get out of are [sic] country.
Where did I say those were my views? I am merely voicing what others have said to me, articles read etc.
I am very much in the centre, I can see the pros and cons of immigration. Although, I do often ask myself why would someone pay £000’s to risk their life on a dinghy over the channel when they have already found safe refuge in multiple countries before the UK?
I know asylum seekers get £49.18 a week but this is after having all their expenses (excluding meals). Not a lot really but with accommodation etc is a significant cost to the taxpayer.
RE crime, it’s actually statistically correct. Believe it or not.
This type of whataboutery is one of the reasons why there is such a big divide, imo.
Crime rates by immigrants, particularly those of a sexual nature are disproportionate.
YepIt's not whataboutery, it's fact. There's a big divide as these thick fuckers, despite wanting to protect "are girls" seem only to care about the skin colour of the perpetrators.
This type of whataboutery is one of the reasons why there is such a big divide, imo.
Crime rates by immigrants, particularly those of a sexual nature are disproportionate.
Why do you generalise anyone with a different political view as thick or illiterate?
I’m going to be honest, if I had £50 a week to live on and buy food, it wouldn’t be a million miles away from where I was after paying all my essential bills a few years ago when I was single and living alone.I'm happy to discuss this reasonably. How would you manage on £49 per week, if you had to feed yourself?
Would it be the kind of lifestyle that would encourage you to risk your life and leave your friends and family thousands of miles behind?
I think we both know the answer to that. Most people aren't risking their lives to come here and claim benefits.
So then, crime. Are you saying that these asylum seekers are coming here to engage in crime?
When you do your statistical analysis, that seems to you to suggest that certain ethnicities (races, if you prefer), are more disposed to crime than others, have you considered confounding factors like poverty?
It's broadly accepted that poverty and deprivation are very significant factors in crime. If you're in a cohort that is significantly over-represented in social and economic deprivation, then it follows that it's likely to appear more highly in criminal statistics.
Do any of the analyses you're relying on control for this? If not, the assumption that certain ethnicities are more disposed to crime than others, isn't really based in fact.
Granted it's only my own anecdotal evidence, but near enough every single comment or clip of people who support Reform, or stop the boats, etc. is, well, barely in English.
Also, at the last election, the largest demographic that had the greatest propensity to vote for Reform (even more than age!), was the uneducated.
It’s also fact that immigrants commit more crime per capita. You can’t pick and choose the facts you use. There has to be a balance, no?It's not whataboutery, it's fact. There's a big divide as these thick fuckers, despite wanting to protect "are girls" seem only to care about the skin colour of the perpetrators.
Just so im clear then you dont believe in democracy and people having a choice when it comes to politics you far left prick
I’m not disputing the demographics but I think it’s unfair to label someone who has different views on political matters as thick. Their opinions are just a valid as yours, regardless of how much you may disagree with them.Granted it's only my own anecdotal evidence, but near enough every single comment or clip of people who support Reform, or stop the boats, etc. is, well, barely in English.
Also, at the last election, the largest demographic that had the greatest propensity to vote for Reform (even more than age!), was the uneducated.
On your first point, France and Germany both take more Asylum seekers than we do.I’m going to be honest, if I had £50 a week to live on and buy food, it wouldn’t be a million miles away from where I was after paying all my essential bulls a few years ago when I was single and living alone.
What do the other countries, France and Germany for example, not offer these people that would make them want to risk their lives on an inflatable boat? I genuinely do not know the answer to this one but there has to be a significant benefit somewhere, surely?
In 2024, foreign nationals made up over 26% of sexual offences despite only being 9% of the population. For all offences, foreign nationals were twice as likely to be arrested than British citizens. That is a fact that cannot be disputed regardless of your political views. Factors around poverty should not matter surely? If certain groups are more likely to commit a crime or be a nuisance in society then surely you’d want that to be dealt with?
The white bloke is in prison, and i can say as a matter of fact, if he were released and kept in a local hotel, the staff there wouldn't keep it underwraps like the asylum seekers. They'd shout to the press. And within hours there'd be people outside saying for blood. Fact.Is that the girl attacked by asylum seekers or the girls attacked by the white bloke from Nuneaton?
So politics is ok at football if it effects more people at the football?
Again, picking and choosing only politics you agree with.
I can almost guarantee, that they'll be a family member or close family friend of the young girl from Nuneaton that attends games at the ricoh. And, after the incident, I can all but guarantee that they will be in the "stop.the boats camp".
But by your reasoning, they're not entitled to that opinion, or their political views aren't welcome because there's less of them than LGBTQ folk.
You're either for politics at the football, or you're not! Don't sit on the fence and use minorities being opressed as your defence.
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The white bloke is in prison, and i can say as a matter of fact, if he were released and kept in a local hotel, the staff there wouldn't keep it underwraps like the asylum seekers. They'd shout to the press. And within hours there'd be people outside saying for blood. Fact.
But what are they to protest about? Stop people having children all together because a small % of all children born will grow up to be kiddy fiddlers? Be realistic. People are on paedophile, regardless of skin colour. To say otherwise is fucking ridiculous and you know it.
Stopping the boats is a genuine concern to a genuine threat. Stopping ALL birth isnt. You can't stop British born people becoming nonce's, you can stop foreign born ones entering though by stopping boats and only allowing people though legit routes with genuine background checks.
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But again, using the CCFC badge in LGBTQ+ things is ok? It's ok for one, but not the other?While I very much agree with some posts about immigration, it isn't relevant with CCFC still though is it? Hence the comments about the club badge.
It's like me saying I want to stop speed cameras in Kenilworth, best whack the CCFC badge on my posters for good measure.
But again, using the CCFC badge in LGBTQ+ things is ok? It's ok for one, but not the other?
Whether you agree or dont agree, you can't pick and choose. Youre either for politics in football, or against. There's no inbetween.
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