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Bad Boy

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #246
rob9872 said:
Must be your lack of football knowledge then

(open goal, no idea if you're even for or against him )
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Yep, I'm a no all nothing.

I'm old insignificant and a waste of space.
 
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Chicken Mcgraw

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #247
Don’t you pair remember what happened the last time you argued!?

Simms very quiet last two games but part of an attack that has scored 6 goals in that time. I’m worried that Lampard seems to prefer Wright down the middle than left
 

Briles

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #248
Bad Boy said:
Yep, I'm a no all nothing.

I'm old insignificant and a waste of space.
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The Yakubu of SBT?
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #249
Ccfcisparks said:
Thought you wouldn’t have the stats.
We’ve won 9 out of 10 with him as the number 9.

no issues in my opinion.
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Terrible argument , thats to suggest everything is perfect within the setup which its not
 

olderskyblue

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #250
Evo1883 said:
I doubt very much we are avoiding ellis simms purposely on crosses
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And yet you see simms occupy the near post area while crosses are sent to the back post for the winger running in, and it’s worked quite a few times.
 
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fatso

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #251
Am I imagining this or has Simms's goals and performances dropped off since going to a 4-3-3 formation?
Is he (and any of our CF) better suited to a more 3-5-2 formation.
Also, we've gone back to conceding 2 goals per game again, even against poor opposition.

Just a thought, I'm not suggesting we should change things in the middle of an epic run, but it's something to keep in mind for the future.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #252
Evo1883 said:
Terrible argument , thats to suggest everything is perfect within the setup which its not
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Think the fact people are agreeing with me shows it’s not a bad an argument as you think
 

Briles

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #253
fatso said:
Am I imagining this or has Simms's goals and performances dropped off since going to a 4-3-3 formation?
Is he (and any of our CF) better suited to a more 3-5-2 formation.
Also, we've gone back to conceding 2 goals per game again, even against poor opposition.

Just a thought, I'm not suggesting we should change things in the middle of an epic run, but it's something to keep in mind for the future.
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The stattos amongst us would say so because only goals and assists matter to them. However as part of build up play and occupying defenders I'd say he improved, maybe at the detriment of his own goal tally but it has benefited the team as a whole. As someone said earlier, he's been the CF during this entire run. With regards to conceding Lampard seems to be a high risk high reward kind of bloke. We are caught down the flanks a lot but during turnovers we outnumber the opposition. If someone plays round the press we are fucked unless MVE gets his skates on (leeds)
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #254
olderskyblue said:
And yet you see simms occupy the near post area while crosses are sent to the back post for the winger running in, and it’s worked quite a few times.
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Many strikers come across goal towards the centre /near posts , striker 101 its hardly revolutionary
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #255
Ccfcisparks said:
Think the fact people are agreeing with me shows it’s not a bad an argument as you think
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Many people agree with people on all sorts of things doesn't make it right , half this fanbase thought biamou was Pele.. il take it with a pinch of salt
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #256
Evo1883 said:
Many strikers come across goal towards the centre /near posts , striker 101 its hardly revolutionary
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Yet we are scoring a large amount of goals from boxcrashers and at the back post. Not revolutionary but it’s working wel
 
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Jimmy87

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #257
Briles said:
Many people don't see this. They just judge a CF on goals. But as lampard loves wingers and late runs from midfielders, Simms is merely a distraction for defenders because, like our fans, they think the cross will be aimed at him
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This is spot on. It's clear we are attempting to play a different style of play under Lampard. The goal contributions from the midfield and wingers are exactly what you would want from a team. It sometimes leaves our CF's looking isolated, but he is doing the ugly stuff and in most matches, defenders are so worried about him, they are leaving space for our other goal scorers. He is playing his part in an amazing run, 27 points from a possible 30, and sat in a great position, what more could you ask for.
I'm not sure if Torps first goal yesterday is something they have worked on, but after watching it back this morning, Simms did really well to hold off the defender to create that space for Torp to come on to it, and then spun him well looking for any possible rebound.
I don't think it helped yesterday that EMC was playing with an injury, also i would have thought the obvious replacement for him would have been Wright. Wright for me isn't a target man, he seemed to want to drift to the left. I thought we lost a little shape when Simms went off.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #258
Ccfcisparks said:
Yet we are scoring a large amount of goals from boxcrashers and at the back post. Not revolutionary but it’s working wel
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Il tell you what instead of arguing back and forth with you , ive given you stats to show why he was poor yesterday .. now its on you to show me why he was good , go
 
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stevefloyd

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #259
Grendel said:
They are the exact opposite. Gyokeres would frighten defenders with his pace and presence. Simms is very timid.
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you should also add that Gyokeres had a regular end product
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #260
stevefloyd said:
you should also add that Gyokeres had a regular end product
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And got many many assists too
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #261
Evo1883 said:
Il tell you what instead of arguing back and forth with you , ive given you stats to show why he was poor yesterday .. now its on you to show me why he was good , go
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I mean he scored 2 including the winner the other week and you still said he was crap so he currently can’t do any right by you
 
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olderskyblue

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #262
Evo1883 said:
Many strikers come across goal towards the centre /near posts , striker 101 its hardly revolutionary
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So you agree, getting the CF to do that, then crossing the ball to the far post Is intentionally missing out the CF ?
 

fatso

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #263
Evo1883 said:
now its on you to show me why he was good , go
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Tbf. (Sorry to wade in on someone elses argument) 3 points is the only relevant stat.
 
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Briles

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #264
stevefloyd said:
you should also add that Gyokeres had a regular end product
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Took a while that though
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #265
Ccfcisparks said:
I mean he scored 2 including the winner the other week and you still said he was crap so he currently can’t do any right by you
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Again , yesterday he was poor , you've called me out do please do show me differently.. cheers


PS : he was my MOTM at wednesday
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #266
fatso said:
Tbf. (Sorry to wade in on someone elses argument) 3 points is the only relevant stat.
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Exactly. He’s arguing like he’s rather simms be on 10 goals at the expense of wins
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #267
Evo1883 said:
Again , yesterday he was poor , you've called me out do please do show me differently.. cheers


PS : he was my MOTM at wednesday
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You’ve had a mare
 

Briles

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #268
Evo1883 said:
Many people agree with people on all sorts of things doesn't make it right , half this fanbase thought biamou was Pele.. il take it with a pinch of salt
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I did like Biamou tbh but again I don't go on goals
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #269
fatso said:
Tbf. (Sorry to wade in on someone elses argument) 3 points is the only relevant stat.
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Well il tell you what , next time we win there should be zero player discussion
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #270
Most important stat is with Ellis Simms as number 9 we have 27 points from the last 10.
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #271
Ccfcisparks said:
You’ve had a mare
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Classic deflection tactics, please explain how he played well yesterday .. go
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #272
Briles said:
I did like Biamou tbh but again I don't go on goals
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Fair enough
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #273
Evo1883 said:
Classic deflection tactics, please explain how he played well yesterday .. go
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27 points from 30 with him starting is my key stat
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #274
Ccfcisparks said:
27 points from 30 with him starting is my key stat
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Please explain how he played well yesterday .. go
 

Briles

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #275
Ccfcisparks said:
27 points from 30 with him starting is my key stat
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I think that's the thing. Evo is probably right in that a lot of CF could do that role but until we start losing its working
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #276
Briles said:
I think that's the thing. Evo is probably right in that a lot of CF could do that role but until we start losing its working
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He’s working himself in knots.

He was on here every week the run up to the playoffs saying Godden was playing great, he only managed 4 in 10.

Simms did his job yesterday. I think football at championship level is a lot more nuanced than Strikers only metric being goals
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #277
Briles said:
I think that's the thing. Evo is probably right in that a lot of CF could do that role but until we start losing its working
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Teams win games and players have indifferent performances , its weird to suggest otherwise ..

We won at Oxford and had several players not playing particularly well
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #278
Ccfcisparks said:
He’s working himself in knots.

He was on here every week the run up to the playoffs saying Godden was playing great, he only managed 4 in 10.

Simms did his job yesterday. I think football at championship level is a lot more nuanced than Strikers only metric being goals
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There is no knots here mate

I've explained how I thought he had a poor game , you've disagreed and proceeded to try and make me feel silly for some reason , so I'm asking you to put across your argument as to why he played well yesterday , and you cant seem to do that .
 

Briles

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #279
Evo1883 said:
Teams win games and players have indifferent performances , its weird to suggest otherwise ..

We won at Oxford and had several players not playing particularly well
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I guess it's the difference between winning games " in spite" of an inviduals performance and winning "because" of an individuals performance . They're not mutually exclusive in my eyes if we win
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Mar 9, 2025
  • #280
From what I heard from the Preston camp they thought they couldn’t handle Simms that game, so much so Gibson went off so Lindsay could try.

He might not always be scoring but his work off the ball and his work to bring people into the play is terrific atm
 
Last edited: Mar 9, 2025
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