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EFL to end season this week - City likely to be promoted (12 Viewers)

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chiefdave

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,591
Happy_Martian said:
Act of God was an argument I put forward a couple of weeks ago when he started his throwing toys out of his pram. This was totally unexpected and unlike the regularly quoted WWII scenario, we'd almost finished the season, not just 3 weeks in, players being called up for National Service and with an unknown duration and human cost ahead of us.
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Don't get why people keep quoting the WWII abandonment, 3 games had been played.
The kick-off in all divisions took place on Saturday 26 August 1939. On Friday 1 September 1939, Germany invaded Poland. On Saturday 2 September 1939, all divisions of the Football League played their third game of the season. These would be the last fixtures before abandonment following the British declaration of war on Germany on Sunday 3 September 1939. Large gatherings of crowds were suspended with the implementation of the Emergency Powers (Defence) Act 1939.
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Mcbean

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,592
Pretty clear no winners coming out of this - too many opinions and experts ( same with the main news today) - EFL need to check their rule book and be affirmative about their action and those that have a grievance can make it - then accept the ruling made and move on
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,593
AFCCOVENTRY said:
Lol...they’re getting paranoid there’s a witch-hunt to relegate Tranmere.
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Would they be relegated on PPG?
 

lord_garrincha

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,594
Nick said:
Would they be relegated on PPG?
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Yes they would, when EVERYONE knows that they would win all their remaining games, nick the last play off place and get promotion to the Championship.

Plus if that lad doesn't put that penalty into the Mersey, we probably lose that game 8-2.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,595
Anyone post this?
Huddersfield owner Phil Hodgkinson warns '50 or 60 clubs' could go bust
 

better days

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,596
jordan210 said:
Stuff like this. plus im sure a few stronger words
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You’ve got some cheek to be posting this, whilst in the background your board of directors - in breach of their fiduciary duties - are trying to force through a retrospective rule change (which is prohibited under article 14.5 of the EFL articles of association in any event) which will forcibly relegate Tranmere Rovers, despite there being 10 games left to play, oh, and the EFL are trying to do it by ordinary resolution (51%) rather than by special resolution (>75%) as is required by article 13, and without having given the requisite notice to member clubs in accordance with that same article 13. Shame on you.

I had wondered about whether the EFL recommendation was a Special Resolution requiring 75% majority
As this quote says the EFL are saying it's an Ordinary Resolution that needs 51%
This will possibly form the basis of any legal argument
 
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Macca1987

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,597
Don’t know if I’m thinking this right, so stand to be corrected, but surely if the vote goes in favour to play on, then as soon as teams start training they will be classed as back at work and not on furlough, so clubs will have to pay their full wages no more 80% support from HMG
 

larry_david

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,598
If the vote is tomorrow, good. The longer this goes the harder the fallout. Gotta just make the decision, vote and play out the results.

If we play on, we play on and fuck it when we win the league, I'm really going to mental
 

chiefdave

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,599
better days said:
You’ve got some cheek to be posting this, whilst in the background your board of directors - in breach of their fiduciary duties - are trying to force through a retrospective rule change (which is prohibited under article 14.5 of the EFL articles of association in any event) which will forcibly relegate Tranmere Rovers, despite there being 10 games left to play, oh, and the EFL are trying to do it by ordinary resolution (51%) rather than by special resolution (>75%) as is required by article 13, and without having given the requisite notice to member clubs in accordance with that same article 13. Shame on you.

I had wondered about whether the EFL recommendation was a Special Resolution requiring 75% majority
As this quote says the EFL are saying it's an Ordinary Resolution that needs 51%
This will possibly form the basis of any legal argument
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Can anyone find the EFL articles of association? Nothing seems to come up online yet all the Peterborough and Tranmere supporters seem to know them inside out.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,600
chiefdave said:
Can anyone find the EFL articles of association? Nothing seems to come up online yet all the Peterborough and Tranmere supporters seem to know them inside out.
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This link has already given me a headache.

EFL Official Website - EFL Regulations
 
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wingy

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,601
Flying Fokker said:
Anyone post this?
Huddersfield owner Phil Hodgkinson warns '50 or 60 clubs' could go bust
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Yes vaguely .
I've been bothered all along at how the resolutions on this have/are been.applied league by individual league

I still am .
It's always felt like a trap for the Prem to Come In at the end with a scheme no one can uppend , involving the curtailment of relegation.
 
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wingy

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,602
Flying Fokker said:
Anyone post this?
Huddersfield owner Phil Hodgkinson warns '50 or 60 clubs' could go bust
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Also what about potential of point deductions if mass admins/failures

What about football debts etc?
 

tisza

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,603
Macca1987 said:
Don’t know if I’m thinking this right, so stand to be corrected, but surely if the vote goes in favour to play on, then as soon as teams start training they will be classed as back at work and not on furlough, so clubs will have to pay their full wages no more 80% support from HMG
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yep. training counts as work so that's why clubs like Accrington & other non-big budget clubs aren't keen on returning.
 
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robbiethemole

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,604
Hang on, wasn't there a deadline of May 25th,(today) set by either EUFA or FIFA, that Leagues had to state whether they would stop the season or play-on?
If that has passed by, surely it's too late to be still voting on it. Just say fuck it, promote the top 3 to Championship and lets go again next season.
 

jordan210

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,605
robbiethemole said:
Hang on, wasn't there a deadline of May 25th,(today) set by either EUFA or FIFA, that Leagues had to state whether they would stop the season or play-on?
If that has passed by, surely it's too late to be still voting on it. Just say fuck it, promote the top 3 to Championship and lets go again next season.
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I think they changed it to sometime in June
 
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robbiethemole

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,606
wingy said:
Also what about potential of point deductions if mass admins/failures

What about football debts etc?
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3.5 No Club, either by itself, its servants or agents, shall by any means whatsoever unfairly criticise, disparage, belittle or discredit any other Club or The League or in either case any of its directors, officers, employees or agents.

Does threatening to sue the EFL and/or Clubs come under this Rule????
 

chiefdave

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,607
Philosorapter said:
This link has already given me a headache.

EFL Official Website - EFL Regulations
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That's what I looked at but they're referencing section 13 and 14.5. 13 is to do with grounds, things like ground shares and pitch dimensions. 14 only has 14.1 and 14.2, 14.5 doesn't exist!

Those regulations seem to put the responsibility for ensuring all fixtures are completed by the final day of the season on the clubs rather than the league itself with failure to complete a fixture being a misconduct offence. Although it does say there would not be a misconduct charge if it was due to an unforeseeable event.

Only had a brief look through those regulations but I think you could make an argument that strictly adhering to them would mean the unplayed matches are void and the as it stands table becomes the final table when the date of the final scheduled fixtures passes.
 
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gruffskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,608
Dabo has just put ‘Pump it up’ on Instagram with the hashtag ‘PUSB’. Is it about to happen??!!
 
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jto123

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,609
gruffskyblue said:
Dabo has just put ‘Pump it up’ on Instagram with the hashtag ‘PUSB’. Is it about to happen??!!
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Just looked and it's not on there. Unless he has removed it.
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,610
jto123 said:
Just looked and it's not on there. Unless he has removed it.
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On his story
 
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jto123

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,611
Skybluefaz said:
On his story
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Ah yeah! My bad! Fingers crossed it means something.
 

MalcSB

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,612
33.1 Behind closed doors. Save with the consent of The League or as a consequence of any disciplinary or regulatory proceedings, no Club may play any League or Cup Match behind closed doors so that the public are excluded from the ground.
 

MalcSB

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,613
28.1 In the event of any League Match not being played owing to Football Association Cup Matches, weather or other causes over which neither Club has any control or being ordered to be replayed it shall be played on a date to be mutually arranged, but at the earliest reasonable opportunity and in any event prior to the last scheduled round of fixtures in the Normal Playing Season.
 
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MalcSB

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,614
28.3 Each Club must ensure that both:

28.3.1 its home ground (being the ground that is registered in accordance with Regulation 13.5); and

28.3.2 any Registered Players,

remain available to the Club during the period of four days commencing with the day after the day of the Club’s last fixture in the League Competition (including play off matches) so as to enable the fulfilment of any fixtures (in full or in part) ordered by The League to be played after the end of the Season (if any).

Best not dig up your pitch, Tranmere.
 

MalcSB

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,615
6.3 The control of all competitions that the Board may decide to promote shall be vested in the Board who shall in all ways act as the management committee of the competition and determine the rules of the competition.
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,616
chiefdave said:
That's what I looked at but they're referencing section 13 and 14.5. 13 is to do with grounds, things like ground shares and pitch dimensions. 14 only has 14.1 and 14.2, 14.5 doesn't exist!

Those regulations seem to put the responsibility for ensuring all fixtures are completed by the final day of the season on the clubs rather than the league itself with failure to complete a fixture being a misconduct offence. Although it does say there would not be a misconduct charge if it was due to an unforeseeable event.

Only had a brief look through those regulations but I think you could make an argument that strictly adhering to them would mean the unplayed matches are void and the as it stands table becomes the final table when the date of the final scheduled fixtures passes.
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I would love to see anyone try to quote a rulebook in the current setting. They don't cover ever possible possibility. They are there as guidance to cover the spirit of the game rather than every eventual eventuality.

The only things that is rock solid once agreed upon are the rules of a game.

Regulations can be moved.

I would imagine this is true for every sport.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,617
tisza said:
Just seems football is mirroring the Govt. Complete inability to make tough, expedient timely decisions.
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It's because its governing bodies and clubs are full of the same money obsessed people

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fernandopartridge

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,618
JimmyHillsbeard said:
The lovable Mark Palios issued a statement on their website last week saying that Tranmere were “the form side in league one” and were against any early end to the season because we were “mid season”. Thus to protect the sporting integrity of the league TRFC would vote to continue and if that wasn’t possible want the season null and voided.

Of course he neglected to mention the fact that they’ve dug up the pitch...
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I mentioned that earlier in the thread, any court would see their action as frivolous

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The Philosopher

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,619
Mcbean said:
Pretty clear no winners coming out of this - too many opinions and experts ( same with the main news today) - EFL need to check their rule book and be affirmative about their action and those that have a grievance can make it - then accept the ruling made and move on
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The sticking point will be where in the rules it will state (along the lines of) “.,..governed under English Law...,” which as I stated earlier could end up being anything.

The potential for legal issues between employee (player) and employer is actually more clear. I mumbled on in a different thread that such issues may be more challenging and more likely to be pivotal in how the season ends.
 

shepardo01

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,620
Going to drag by the looks of it.
Although leaves very little time to get going to play! (Desired choice by EFL?)
 

The Philosopher

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,621
shepardo01 said:
Going to drag by the looks of it.
Although leaves very little time to get going to play! (Desired choice by EFL?)
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Longer this goes on the less likely a restart.
 
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Colin Steins Smile

Well-Known Member
  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,622
better days said:
You’ve got some cheek to be posting this, whilst in the background your board of directors - in breach of their fiduciary duties - are trying to force through a retrospective rule change (which is prohibited under article 14.5 of the EFL articles of association in any event) which will forcibly relegate Tranmere Rovers, despite there being 10 games left to play, oh, and the EFL are trying to do it by ordinary resolution (51%) rather than by special resolution (>75%) as is required by article 13, and without having given the requisite notice to member clubs in accordance with that same article 13. Shame on you.

I had wondered about whether the EFL recommendation was a Special Resolution requiring 75% majority
As this quote says the EFL are saying it's an Ordinary Resolution that needs 51%
This will possibly form the basis of any legal argument
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I stand to be corrected on this, but only changes to articles of association will require 75% or over to be changed, whilst rules only require 51%.
I would be really surprised if the rules pertaining to the running of the leagues is in the articles. If they are the legal team that developed should be sacked!
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,623
chiefdave said:
Can anyone find the EFL articles of association? Nothing seems to come up online yet all the Peterborough and Tranmere supporters seem to know them inside out.
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Found where the Tranmere fans are seeing that :



Section 1, right at the bottom

EFL Official Website - Section 1 - General

 

Evo1883

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,624
As much as I sympathise with Tranmere, their argument suddenly becomes flawed and itself based on self Interest when they are calling for null and void or no relegation... Therefore I can only assume they themselves would happily shaft several clubs at the top end just to please their own agenda... So in that respect I take their argument as seriously as I take darragh MacAnthonys twitter rants

Unprecedented times require unprecedented measures and in that there will be winners and losers... End of argument and we all know if they were sat where afc Wimbledon are today... They would vote to end the season on.. You've got it... PPG
 

tisza

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  • May 25, 2020
  • #2,625
shepardo01 said:
Going to drag by the looks of it.
Although leaves very little time to get going to play! (Desired choice by EFL?)
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getting ridiculous. Players would need testing.
A month to get players ready - then a minimum of 5 weeks to complete regular season games plus 10 days/2 weeks for play-offs.
Takes you well past normal start time for next season. (into middle of August) so little or no time to prepare for next season in terms of squads, fixture arrangements etc. even if next season start is slightly delayed.
Haven't EFL said all league football has to be finished by July 31st? Means Wycombe would need to play 13 games in a month if they reached play-off final (other contending sides 12 games)
 
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