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JAM See

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #316
Grendel said:
Would you want her next door as your 5 year old plays in the garden? I doubt it
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You are Sarah Gove and I claim my ten pounds.

Yawn.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #317
Grendel said:
great let’s get the tea and cakes out and give her a group hug
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Well I mean not even the Americans are executing those proven insane
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #318
JAM See said:
You are Sarah Gove and I claim my ten pounds.

Yawn.
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Why won’t you answer the question
 

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #319
Grendel said:
Well mr intellectual capacity I’ve asked 3 times if you’d want a child killer on release living next door to you.
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Of course not.

What is your point?
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #320
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well I mean not even the Americans are executing those proven insane
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Has this person been proven insane? Would you ever want them to breath air again? Why mention America? Other countries have the death penalty,
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #321
Grendel said:
Has this person been proven insane? Would you ever want them to breath air again? Why mention America? Other countries have the death penalty,
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America has one of if not the highest incarceration rates in the world and isn't shy at all about carrying out the death penalty. Even they recognise that an insane person isn't responsible for their actions in the same manner as someone with full awareness and understanding of what they're doing.

I don't know if she's been proven insane, you don't either. All Pete and I are saying really is to wait for that before demanding her to hang from the gallows.

Would I want to live next door to Ed Gein either no
 
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JAM See

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #322


Knobheab gets involved in discussion.

Knobhead argues their point.

Knobhead realises that they've lost the argument.

Knobhead posts laughing emoji as a last resort.

How very trite.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #323
13th_choice_seamer said:
What a horribly sad thing to happen. What sort of situation would lead a woman to kill her own grandchild in front of his mother?
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...insanity.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #324
Grendel said:
No I’m saying someone who murders a child they it seems are related to has little empathy from me and I don’t want to see them ever in society again
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Ok that seems fair enough
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #325
Brighton Sky Blue said:
America has one of if not the highest incarceration rates in the world and isn't shy at all about carrying out the death penalty. Even they recognise that an insane person isn't responsible for their actions in the same manner as someone with full awareness and understanding of what they're doing.

I don't know if she's been proven insane, you don't either. All Pete and I are saying really is to wait for that before demanding her to hang from the gallows.

Would I want to live next door to Ed Gein either no
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If she’s not declared insane - which is very rare - Suttcliffe failed to convince a jury of that - what then? Still give her free board and lodgings?
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #326
Brighton Sky Blue said:
...insanity.
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Wow has she been tried and incarcerated under the mental health act?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #327
Grendel said:
Wow has she been tried and incarcerated under the mental health act?
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She was originally arrested on suspicion of murder and is now being held under the mental health act
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #328
Grendel said:
Wow has she been tried and incarcerated under the mental health act?
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She's been sectioned
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #329
Brighton Sky Blue said:
She's been sectioned
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which still means nothing until she stands trial if the CPS deem she is fit to do so . The rigour to defend the rights of a killer is frankly astonishing
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #330
Grendel said:
which still means nothing until she stands trial if the CPS deem she is fit to do so . The rigour to defend the rights of a killer is frankly astonishing
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Maybe it's the rigour to verify if someone is mentally ill or not when committing a crime so savage most here can't find a sane reason to have done it
 
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lordy_87

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #331
Insane or not someone who has murdered their 5 year old grandson shouldn't be able to walk this earth. The world is better off without them.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #332
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Maybe it's the rigour to verify if someone is mentally ill or not when committing a crime so savage most here can't find a sane reason to have done it
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Do you think Peter Suttciffe was sane?
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #333
Grendel said:
which still means nothing until she stands trial if the CPS deem she is fit to do so . The rigour to defend the rights of a killer is frankly astonishing
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Ask yourself a question, what grandmother in their right mind would stab their grandchild to death. The answer of course is they wouldn't.
 

lordy_87

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #334
Johnnythespider said:
Ask yourself a question, what grandmother in their right mind would stab their grandchild to death. The answer of course is they wouldn't.
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Ok they are insane maybe they can be rehabilitated but what stops then from going mad again?
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #335
Grendel said:
Do you think Peter Suttciffe was sane?
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Your encyclopaedic knowledge of violent killers combined with your regular bloodthirst for criminals is quite strange really. I wonder where it comes from.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #336
Johnnythespider said:
Ask yourself a question, what grandmother in their right mind would stab their grandchild to death. The answer of course is they wouldn't.
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Rose west killed her own step daughter and Fred was happy to rape and murder his own children. Neither were considered insane in terms of the law
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #337
SBT said:
Your encyclopaedic knowledge of violent killers combined with your regular bloodthirst for criminals is quite strange really. I wonder where it comes from.
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Fred Dineage
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #338
Grendel said:
which still means nothing until she stands trial if the CPS deem she is fit to do so . The rigour to defend the rights of a killer is frankly astonishing
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That’s right but it says something about the situation
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #339
lordy_87 said:
Ok they are insane maybe they can be rehabilitated but what stops then from going mad again?
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I doubt there are any guarantees, I don't know if she's the grandmother on the maternal or paternal side but while our revulsion at this act may make it easy to seek revenge I'm not sure her son or daughter would want her put to death. We don't know all the facts yet and I've seen my mother go through a psychotic episode, it's horrible and getting the help required is not easy.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #340
Grendel said:
which still means nothing until she stands trial if the CPS deem she is fit to do so . The rigour to defend the rights of a killer is frankly astonishing
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Well to even be sectioned in the first place requires medical judgment. Can't recall it happening often at all in most murder cases.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #341
Grendel said:
Fred Dineage
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We’ve had Peter Sutcliffe, Dennis Nilsen and Fred/Rosemary West references from you all in one evening - all very normal and not at all alarm bell-inducing behaviour.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #342
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well to even be sectioned in the first place requires medical judgment. Can't recall it happening often at all in most murder cases.
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Suttcliffe?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #343
Grendel said:
Suttcliffe?
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A man diagnosed as mentally ill?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #344
SBT said:
We’ve had Peter Sutcliffe, Dennis Nilsen and Fred/Rosemary West references from you all in one evening - all very normal and not at all alarm bell-inducing behaviour.
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Oh I missed Dennis Radar. Arthur Shawcross. Ed gein isn’t really a serial killer - low grade and over blown
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #345
Brighton Sky Blue said:
A man diagnosed as mentally ill?
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he was in brodmoor as criminally insane - but then a judge decided he’d well - made it up
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #346
Grendel said:
he was in brodmoor as criminally insane - but then a judge decided he’d well - made it up
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Does this murder strike you as calculated and pre meditated, or as a random act of senseless violence?

Our understanding of mental illness and accurately detecting it is I suspect more advanced than it was 40 years ago. You do strike me as someone stuck in the 80s in more ways than one
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #347
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Does this murder strike you as calculated and pre meditated, or as a random act of senseless violence?

Our understanding of mental illness and accurately detecting it is I suspect more advanced than it was 40 years ago. You do strike me as someone stuck in the 80s in more ways than one
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With respect the law regarding this hasn’t changed and will be the determination of this persons fitness to stand trial abd will be no different than it was in the 80’s - or indeed the 50’s or 60’s - look at the controversy around De Salvo

I think someone whose obsessed with trade union power, the rights to down tools and power to the people is far more stuck in the eighties than me
 
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Corrado

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #348
I have to agree with Grendel on this. Insane or not she does not deserve to live.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #349
It was only a few weeks ago that poor kid in Birmingham was tortured and murdered.

Obviously anybody who kills is a wrong un but against a kid, it's just worse.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #350
Grendel said:
With respect the law regarding this hasn’t changed and will be the determination of this persons fitness to stand trial abd will be no different than it was in the 80’s - or indeed the 50’s or 60’s - look at the controversy around De Salvo

I think someone whose obsessed with trade union power, the rights to down tools and power to the people is far more stuck in the eighties than me
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Can you even stand trial while sectioned?

A bit bizarre really. About the only power left to unions these days is to strike and then only with over half the members consenting
 
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