Driverless cars by 2021 (6 Viewers)

Otis · Nov 19, 2017

Budget 2017: Green light for driverless car testing - Green light for driverless car testing

Been testing them in Coventry and I actually saw them the other day driving round by the council house and police station.

Guessing this is going to be contentious for many people who love their cars and driving, but I think it's fantastic. Guessing that driverless cars means no speeding, revving engines, putting your foot down, overtaking each other on tiny stretches of dual carriageway, cutting people up etc.

I love the idea, but can guess some might be a little outraged as they see it all being about the experience and being in control.

A car for me is to just get from point A to B, so I welcome this with open arms. I am sick to death of being the one always driving and going through the likes of the Lake District and not being able to look at the view from the window.

Bring it on!!

Grendel · Nov 19, 2017

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the actual introduction of these cars will be a lot later.

We are realistically looking at the first cars possible around 2030 and with buying cycles there will still be non driverless until around 2050

The combination of this and electrification will cause major issues in retail networks which likely will delay further.

From a personal perspective I’m glad I’m missing it. I don’t like the driverless functions cars have now - CC, VA and AB especially AB - I have them on most cars I have and never use them.

The challenges the industry faces already with electrification makes this a very long term project in reality.

Nick · Nov 19, 2017

I hate cruise control Don't think I'd be comfortable in driverless.

Otis · Nov 19, 2017

I know it's not going to be widespread. 2021 is just going to be the first introduction.

I think your timescales will be out if they prove to be a success and of course you are not at all allowing for movement of advances in technology. I think it will be way before 2030 if all goes well.

Covrock · Nov 19, 2017

Computer hackers will have a fun day. Take over the vehicle and God knows where you will end up.

Otis · Nov 19, 2017

Covrock said:
Computer hackers will have a fun day. Take over the vehicle and God knows where you will end up.

Ooh I long for the good old days of the mystery tour.

Grendel · Nov 19, 2017

Otis said:
I know it's not going to be widespread. 2021 is just going to be the first introduction.

I think your timescales will be out if they prove to be a success and of course you are not at all allowing for movement of advances in technology. I think it will be way before 2030 if all goes well.

It won’t be. The technology required needs to be introduced across all the industry including suppliers, retailers as well as production.

It even costs almost a billion for minor MY introductions.

Otis · Nov 19, 2017

Grendel said:
It won’t be. The technology required needs to be introduced across all the industry including suppliers, retailers as well as production.

It even costs almost a billion for minor MY introductions.

But you are talking across the board. No-one is suggesting we are all going to have driverless cars just like that. It will be introduced gradually and could well start with buses and taxis etc.

Definitely happening and the technology will obviously get better.

Not suggesting for a second that we will all have driverless cars by 2030. They will be a significant aspect of traffic on roads by then though I am sure.

Grendel · Nov 19, 2017

Otis said:
But you are talking across the board. No-one is suggesting we are all going to have driverless cars just like that. It will be introduced gradually and could well start with buses and taxis etc.

Definitely happening and the technology will obviously get better.

Not suggesting for a second that we will all have driverless cars by 2030. They will be a significant aspect of traffic on roads by then though I am sure.

Technology estimates per car are £10,000 at 2030 and that includes assumptions for technology advancements.

This is projected to halve by 2045

Again you are missing one major point - retailer servicing. Retailers are already having to invest in electric technology which will cost thousands.

Also accident and insurance implications.

I can assure you the ability to manage this and electrification at the same time will be practically impossible for normal manufacturers.

Otis · Nov 19, 2017

Grendel said:
Technology estimates per car are £10,000 at 2030 and that includes assumptions for technology advancements.

This is projected to halve by 2045

Again you are missing one major point - retailer servicing. Retailers are already having to invest in electric technology which will cost thousands.

Also accident and insurance implications.

I can assure you the ability to manage this and electrification at the same time will be practically impossible for normal manufacturers.

Like I say, likely to be buses and taxis and suchlike first. No-one is expecting driverless cars all over our roads just like that. Going to be a slow process, but they are already working on flying cars too.

Wonder when we will ever see them.

mrtrench · Nov 19, 2017

The real problem here is going to be the massive increase in carless drivers. The precinct will be crowded with middle-aged men making engine noises, barging through and shouting at other pedestrians. There will be teenage kids stealing other people's shoes and then leaving them burnt out in Wood End and so on.

Sick Boy · Nov 19, 2017

Grendel said:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the actual introduction of these cars will be a lot later.

We are realistically looking at the first cars possible around 2030 and with buying cycles there will still be non driverless until around 2050

The combination of this and electrification will cause major issues in retail networks which likely will delay further.

From a personal perspective I’m glad I’m missing it. I don’t like the driverless functions cars have now - CC, VA and AB especially AB - I have them on most cars I have and never use them.

The challenges the industry faces already with electrification makes this a very long term project in reality.

Did some of them crash recently during testing? My father decided to test out CC on a ring road in France when I was a teenager, we were lucky escape unharmed

I_Saw_Shaw_Score · Nov 19, 2017

I was in town the day of the testing and was at the crossing by 'The Castle' went to cross and was told by an orange jacketed security guard to "Wait" I was confused said "why?" He replied "JLR are testing driverless cars" cars went past he said go now I asked him "do JLR not have to abide by the laws of the road!?" He just ignored me.
Prats!

Grendel · Nov 19, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Did some of them crash recently during testing? My father decided to test out CC on a ring road in France when I was a teenager, we were lucky escape unharmed

I think someone died in a Tesla - they have some auto drive system which drive the car straight into an HGV

I’ve tried Autonomous Braking - didn’t like it at all

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