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shy_tall_knight

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,671
Esoterica said:
I can’t shake the feeling he’s just some kind of stop gap. Will be amazed if he’s still here in 2 years.
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I think Cov fans are so relieved to see the back of SISU (well 85% of SISU has gone). As this transfer window is proving (2 in and 2 out - with the 2 both playing in recent games) with a wafer thin squad he's not got much spare cash (very happy to be proven wrong) and a stadium deal to be negotiated with a canny billionaire businessman - what does he think he can achieve.
 
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  • Jan 20, 2023
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shy_tall_knight said:
I think Cov fans are so relieved to see the back of SISU (well 85% of SISU has gone). As this transfer window is proving (2 in and 2 out - with the 2 both playing in recent games) with a wafer thin squad he's not got much spare cash (very happy to be proven wrong) and a stadium deal to be negotiated with a canny billionaire businessman - what does he think he can achieve.
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I suspect however, without this takeover it would have been none in, some out... and very much worse players (from our perspective) to have go out than Kane and Waghorn.
 
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slowpoke

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,673
shy_tall_knight said:
Its all about the timing to me its why I'm so negative about this. Recognise he's a cautious investor so no plans to spend big but was able to table a £25m bid for the stadium !!! Has bought a club and hopes by keeping a steady ship we may knock on the door of the play-offs, highly unlikely, so can't understand his motivation. Is he just a better negotiator than SISU for the potential sale to Mike Ashley.
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Any stadium deal wouldn’t have involved £25million cash nothing like it, would have been like a mortgage/business loan but would have valued the club higher for certain, whoever it was who asked where the £25million offered for the stadium was going he’s a prat.
 

junglej13

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,674
slowpoke said:
I suspect Austin will have done that.
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Alan Nixon reported that we wanted a scout from Wimbledon. Another poster suggested it was Jamie Johnson and that his availability to join would be after this transfer window.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 20, 2023
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shy_tall_knight said:
Its all about the timing to me its why I'm so negative about this. Recognise he's a cautious investor so no plans to spend big but was able to table a £25m bid for the stadium !!! Has bought a club and hopes by keeping a steady ship we may knock on the door of the play-offs, highly unlikely, so can't understand his motivation. Is he just a better negotiator than SISU for the potential sale to Mike Ashley.
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Surely people understand why £25m on a stadium is completely different to saying to Robins here's £25m go buy who you want?
 
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GaryPendrysEyes

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,676
TwistAndShoutCCFC1987 said:
I thought he meant knocking on the door of the premier league rather than the play-offs themselves
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Nope. He said a few times about knocking on the door of the playoffs, mid table and above.
 
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shy_tall_knight

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,677
Nick said:
Surely people understand why £25m on a stadium is completely different to saying to Robins here's £25m go buy who you want?
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Yes I recognise that the capital investment in the stadium is totally different to what might be spent on the playing squad but it did try to give the impression that we have funds !! but I interpreted it as an attempt to derail the Ashley stadium purchase, it wasn't a serious offer
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 20, 2023
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GaryPendrysEyes said:
Nope. He said a few times about knocking on the door of the playoffs, mid table and above.
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Then getting through that door.

Basically, he's managing expectation too. Better that than Operation Premiership.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,679
shy_tall_knight said:
Its all about the timing to me its why I'm so negative about this. Recognise he's a cautious investor so no plans to spend big but was able to table a £25m bid for the stadium !!! Has bought a club and hopes by keeping a steady ship we may knock on the door of the play-offs, highly unlikely, so can't understand his motivation. Is he just a better negotiator than SISU for the potential sale to Mike Ashley.
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I doubt that the £25m was cash? More likely £5 million and then loans/ investors. Which may well be how most businesses acquire property.
 
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Colin Steins Smile

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,680
Deleted member 5849 said:
Then getting through that door.

Basically, he's managing expectation too. Better that than Operation Premiership.
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Exactly, both Doug & MR in all their comms are managing expectation levels. MR has continued with the messaging of "incremental improvements". They obviously want us, as the fan base, to not get too excited and expect big changes in the short term.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,681
Nick said:
Surely people understand why £25m on a stadium is completely different to saying to Robins here's £25m go buy who you want?
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Also the fact that £20-25m ‘offer’ was probably bullshit to try to scupper sale to Ashley. Nobody was paying that for the stadium due to all the dilapidations/repairs needed
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,682
Esoterica said:
I can’t shake the feeling he’s just some kind of stop gap. Will be amazed if he’s still here in 2 years.
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Yes, everything is so vague it does feel that way
 
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nicksar

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,683
Doug King comes across as a level headed bloke I reckon, and one of the most important things he mentioned is making improvements to the Ryton training ground to make it better and more attractive to potential (and existing) players.He is spot on with that imo let's be honest that's where the squad spend the vast majority of their time.
He also mentioned several times that he's a "trader", it's clear he wants to get the Club into a position where they are attractive to potential investors,win for him and a win for supporters.
 
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shy_tall_knight

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  • Jan 20, 2023
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16th Nov 2022 - announced as the new owner
Makes unrealistic bid to buy the stadium.
League takes nearly 2 months to approve the transfer of ownership, not sure any cash has changed hands
No net investment in squad
Has to negotiate with Fraser Group regarding a rental deal for next season and beyond
Plan is to keep it steady !!
Doesn't add up why bother, chances of success are low
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,685
shy_tall_knight said:
16th Nov 2022 - announced as the new owner
Makes unrealistic bid to buy the stadium.
League takes nearly 2 months to approve the transfer of ownership, not sure any cash has changed hands
No net investment in squad
Has to negotiate with Fraser Group regarding a rental deal for next season and beyond
Plan is to keep it steady !!
Doesn't add up why bother, chances of success are low
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Let’s all just pack in then.
 
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Johnnythespider

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,686
Esoterica said:
I can’t shake the feeling he’s just some kind of stop gap. Will be amazed if he’s still here in 2 years.
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This is where I am, he seems like a middle man, I've seen nothing to suggest the club will be funded any differently to the last few years, "meet the new boss".
 
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shy_tall_knight

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,687
Johnnythespider said:
This is where I am, he seems like a middle man, I've seen nothing to suggest the club will be funded any differently to the last few years, "meet the new boss".
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A strategy consisting of redecorating ryton, isn't going to move the club massively forward
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,688
GaryPendrysEyes said:
Certainly he didn’t set very high expectations either on investment or performance targets. ‘Knocking on the door’ of the playoffs as a target is something we have been close to this year.
ok he wants that to be consistently achieved but it seems a bit of a flat target. Making the playoffs might be more of an inspirational stretch.
But hey that’s just words in the end. As most have said will we see any increased net investment in the squad year on year over what Sisu did?
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To be fair it's a realistic target.
We're never going to spend to compete with the parachute payment mob and though anomalies happen I think realistically we're looking at 5th or 6th place.
I think we could have a real crack at that with 3 or 4 decent additions but sisu clearly didn't want to fund that in the last 2 windows.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,689
shy_tall_knight said:
16th Nov 2022 - announced as the new owner
Makes unrealistic bid to buy the stadium.
League takes nearly 2 months to approve the transfer of ownership, not sure any cash has changed hands
No net investment in squad
Has to negotiate with Fraser Group regarding a rental deal for next season and beyond
Plan is to keep it steady !!
Doesn't add up why bother, chances of success are low
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The issue here is fans expecting him to come in and throw £25m at the squad because of the offer on the stadium.
 
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shy_tall_knight

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,690
Nick said:
The issue here is fans expecting him to come in and throw £25m at the squad because of the offer on the stadium.
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I'm not expecting him to spend that but we all know it wasn't a real offer.

In summary there's no additional funds, he's a good negotiator and a strategy of keeping it steady, refurbishing Ryton does not strike me as a well defined plan. Had WASPs not gone bump would ownership have changed, IMO WASP's demise Mike Ashley's involvement forced SISU's hand and hence the arrival of the king. Had he been presented 10 months ago I would have bought into it more, but not convinced.
 

Esoterica

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,691
Johnnythespider said:
This is where I am, he seems like a middle man, I've seen nothing to suggest the club will be funded any differently to the last few years, "meet the new boss".
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fernandopartridge said:
Yes, everything is so vague it does feel that way
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The timing of his arrival, his generic 'on the fence' soundbytes, even that he is flying solo on this and not brought in anyone from his other businesses to help him. If Boddy hasn't been sacked off for someone better at the end of the season, once Doug has brought himself up to speed that'll be another clue. It all smacks of keeping things ticking over while something bigger goes on behind the scenes.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,692
Nick said:
The issue here is fans expecting him to come in and throw £25m at the squad because of the offer on the stadium.
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I think if there is an issue it would be that it looks like he's going to throw £0 at the squad just like his predecessors.
 
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Northeast sky blue

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  • Jan 20, 2023
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It seems to me as this season has been written off, let's keep what we've got and have a look at seasons end
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 20, 2023
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think if there is an issue it would be that it looks like he's going to throw £0 at the squad just like his predecessors.
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Probably need to wait and see at the end of the summer transfer window to get an idea?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 20, 2023
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Nick said:
Probably need to wait and see at the end of the summer transfer window to get an idea?
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Of course, but just going off both what the chairman and manager are saying and our transfer activity so far.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,696
Esoterica said:
The timing of his arrival, his generic 'on the fence' soundbytes, even that he is flying solo on this and not brought in anyone from his other businesses to help him. If Boddy hasn't been sacked off for someone better at the end of the season, once Doug has brought himself up to speed that'll be another clue. It all smacks of keeping things ticking over while something bigger goes on behind the scenes.
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The rumour that he's a stepping stone to Fraser Group is strengthened by the glowing terms in which he described them
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,697
fernandopartridge said:
The rumour that he's a stepping stone to Fraser Group is strengthened by the glowing terms in which he described them
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Alternatively he’s about to enter crucial negotiations with them and slagging them off in public isn’t the smartest move.
 
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Covkid1968#

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,698
The Philosopher said:
There was one thing that I did pick up on: 30000 students at Warwick Uni?

Is that 10000 new students per year?

If, by some quirk of fate (Mike Ashley kicks us out for example or hikes rent to daftville) and we do end up with a stadium there. (I know, unlikely, but then again so was playing at Sixfields) there’s a huge potential support base.

Free tickets to reserve matches? Cheap match day tickets to WU students….? Only needs a few to catch that awful bug known as CCFCitis. We’ve all caught it, no?

Who knows.
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CU has 25k plus students… and that’s just in Cov not their London Yorkshire or polish campus’ there must be huge potential for casual walk up.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 20, 2023
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shmmeee said:
Alternatively he’s about to enter crucial negotiations with them and slagging them off in public isn’t the smartest move.
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More likely. Big Mike ain't coming
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,700
Brighton Sky Blue said:
More likely. Big Mike ain't coming
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He’s not the kind of guy to make moves quietly. We’d know if he wanted us.
 

Nick

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  • Jan 20, 2023
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Covkid1968# said:
CU has 25k plus students… and that’s just in Cov not their London Yorkshire or polish campus’ there must be huge potential for casual walk up.
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Bit of a mission from Poland though.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 20, 2023
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think if there is an issue it would be that it looks like he's going to throw £0 at the squad just like his predecessors.
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He did say in his interview he'd pay for the right players, but wouldn't spunk with gay abandon.
 
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edgy

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  • Jan 20, 2023
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
More likely. Big Mike ain't coming
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I've checked flight-tracker for helicopter movements. I think you are right.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 20, 2023
  • #5,704
edgy said:
I've checked flight-tracker for helicopter movements. I think you are right.
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I never meant it when I said 'these chinos ain't big enough for the both of us'. I take it back
 

Danceswithhorses

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  • Jan 20, 2023
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Deleted member 5849 said:
He...wouldn't spunk with gay abandon.
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Ooer missus
Doug staying in the closet for now then ?
 
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