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Grendel

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,076
Alistair Whelan it seems it crm executive and Scope has 4 people working for him
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,077
Grendel said:
Alistair Whelan it seems it crm executive and Scope has 4 people working for him
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Therein lies the problem. Not a resource issue, just being led by incompetence.
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,078
fernandopartridge said:
For a company with a turnover that is somewhere between £15m to £20m, is employing a couple of marketing assistants really that much of an expense (yes I know player wages swallow up most if not all turnover)?

The club will pay the Apprenticeship Levy - it could even have one more experience marketing person and a younger apprentice which'd cost buttons.
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I don't disagree. Sisu chose not to pay that, I'm not disputing it. Could DB have said up the chain that investing in that would give good RoI? Yeah.

If you pay peanuts though, you get peanuts. If you have a younger apprentice as you state, would they be skilled enough to try and get supporters back over the phone? I'd said unlikely.

But I think I agree with almost all on this. Marketing hasn't been great, it's likely a resource issue with Sisu not wanting to pay for extra bodies in that department (regardless of what G thinks) and I hope the takeover creates something better. Not sure why that's hard to understand for some.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,079
Skyblueweeman said:
I don't disagree. Sisu chose not to pay that, I'm not disputing it. Could DB have said up the chain that investing in that would give good RoI? Yeah.

If you pay peanuts though, you get peanuts. If you have a younger apprentice as you state, would they be skilled enough to try and get supporters back over the phone? I'd said unlikely.

But I think I agree with almost all on this. Marketing hasn't been great, it's likely a resource issue with Sisu not wanting to pay for extra bodies in that department (regardless of what G thinks) and I hope the takeover creates something better. Not sure why that's hard to understand for some.
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there is 5 in the department - how many is needed?
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,080
Grendel said:
Alistair Whelan it seems it crm executive and Scope has 4 people working for him
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If that's the case, then I partially concede my resource point G. Knowing that Sisu had cut their cloth accordingly and reduced manpower down to a minimum, it fitted with less marketing than we'd like. If there's more manpower than I thought, then fair enough, I agree with you.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,081
Skyblueweeman said:
I don't disagree. Sisu chose not to pay that, I'm not disputing it. Could DB have said up the chain that investing in that would give good RoI? Yeah.

If you pay peanuts though, you get peanuts. If you have a younger apprentice as you state, would they be skilled enough to try and get supporters back over the phone? I'd said unlikely.

But I think I agree with almost all on this. Marketing hasn't been great, it's likely a resource issue with Sisu not wanting to pay for extra bodies in that department (regardless of what G thinks) and I hope the takeover creates something better. Not sure why that's hard to understand for some.
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A lot of it isn't a resource issue though....that's what Grendel is trying to say.

Much of their issues with regards to the marketing side seem to be down to sheer incompetence/an unwillingness to action basic marketing activities.
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,082
Grendel said:
there is 5 in the department - how many is needed?
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See the above post. Happy to admit when I'm wrong G....take a leave for those occasions when you're not on the ball....
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,083
I guess some are part time but this isn’t exactly a small number of staff

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Sick Boy

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,084
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Ideally I'd probably tailor the contact method to the demographic of the fan.

Older fans might prefer a call or email, younger fans would be more than content with a simple SMS.
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They could probably just be integrated with automations set up to follow up with the other method of contact if unopened, not responded etc.
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,085
Right, I've admitted G might have been right - my point stands that little staff resource means less activity - that's simple GCSE stuff to be honest ;-)

But if there's more staff, we should expect more and if it's not happening, it should be questioned. Fully agree with all of that.

And here's hoping things improve with King Doug.

Anyway, I'm off the gym
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,086
Grendel said:
I guess some are part time but this isn’t exactly a small number of staff

Who's Who - Coventry City

www.ccfc.co.uk
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Somebody on there was in the year below mine at school.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,087
Head of Football Operations: Mike Reid


WALLOP!
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,088
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Somebody on there was in the year below mine at school.
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That education was worth it then
 

Nick

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,089
fernandopartridge said:
Head of Football Operations: Mike Reid


WALLOP!
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,090
I don't know if Tynan is any good or not but you'd expect somebody to use their linkedin profile to at least do some very basic marketing of what their operation is up to:

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2 posts in 6 months
 
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EalingSB

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,091
Brighton Sky Blue said:
SISU told him they refused or couldn’t provide anything extra to help the cash flow problem, so he had to sort it himself. How he went about that was up to him and he chose to phone Blackburn, who wanted Hyam earlier in the window, to offer the player at a basement price if it were paid all in one go.

£1.4 million
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You often quote this price for Hyam. Where does it come from out of interest?
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,092
fernandopartridge said:
I don't know if Tynan is any good or not but you'd expect somebody to use their linkedin profile to at least do some very basic marketing of what their operation is up to:

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2 posts in 6 months
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Its an interesting point. I now sponsor the rugby club and their engagement is very good and social media promotions very active - their commercial guy also actually plays as they have real limited resources but it’s a million times better than the football club

They even visit you as a sponsor and spend time with you
 

Skyblue_CP

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,093
Would have thought there would be some form of interview by now with his vision for the club etc, all very amateur, the clubs just been taken over for the first time in over 15 years and we’ve had one single page announcement with about 4 sentences from him.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,094
fernandopartridge said:
I don't know if Tynan is any good or not but you'd expect somebody to use their linkedin profile to at least do some very basic marketing of what their operation is up to:

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2 posts in 6 months
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Would be a great way to network, engage and keep in touch with new, potential and existing sponsors.

Pretty poor he nor the club use it regularly. Even L2 clubs post regularly.

At the very least they should be regularly posting available corporate and sponsorship packages on there.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,095
Grendel said:
That education was worth it then
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Perhaps not, they’re in marketing
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,096
EalingSB said:
You often quote this price for Hyam. Where does it come from out of interest?
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A very reliable source close to both ends of the deal
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,097
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Perhaps not, they’re in marketing
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Any good though he will earn more money in a year than you in 10
 
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Covkid1968#

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,098
olderskyblue said:
Exactly.

When my mate was diagnosed with terminal cancer, I contacted the club after a few games of the season, and asked for the cost to upgrade the season tickets from block 19 to one of the corporate lounges. Simple enough question you would imagine. 2 customers willing to spend more money with the club just to get easier access to the seats. (he couldn't manage all the steps where we were).

Not even a reply, also after contacting them a 2nd time.

At the end of that season, we didnt bother renewing at all for the next season. No contact chasing us, asking us why etc etc.

Very poor
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That’s really poor…. On every level
 
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Kieranp96

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,099
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Somebody on there was in the year below mine at school.
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Guy year below me is James Maddison , still despise that little shit running circles around me and my mates and cally park, and Allen Higgs.
 
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Covkid1968#

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,100
Kieranp96 said:
Guy year below me is James Maddison , still despise that little shit running circles around me and my mates and cally park, and Allen Higgs.
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You should have let the Man Utd supporter know you were there with an early 2 feet off the floor old school tackle.
 

ajsccfc

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,101
Gary McSheffrey was pals with the guys we'd usually play football with at Freddie Birds. He played once and although he was outrageously good compared to everyone I did nutmeg him once which was the only good thing I did, I suspect it still haunts him to this day.
 
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saveitforthewombles

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,102
fernandopartridge said:
I don't know if Tynan is any good or not but you'd expect somebody to use their linkedin profile to at least do some very basic marketing of what their operation is up to:

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2 posts in 6 months
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They probably haven't got the right people in the right roles. Marketing means PR, CRM, customer engagement, customer acquisition, content creation, brand 'positioning' and even partnerships/partner activity. Re comms - it's actually really easy to scale that with relatively few people these days given the tech that's out there (automations, sequences etc)....just depends what the focus is. I would probably guess that their databases are a mess with various ticketing partner moves over the years
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,103
Kieranp96 said:
Guy year below me is James Maddison , still despise that little shit running circles around me and my mates and cally park, and Allen Higgs.
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At least you are comforted by the fact he earns less money than you
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,104
olderskyblue said:
Exactly.

When my mate was diagnosed with terminal cancer, I contacted the club after a few games of the season, and asked for the cost to upgrade the season tickets from block 19 to one of the corporate lounges. Simple enough question you would imagine. 2 customers willing to spend more money with the club just to get easier access to the seats. (he couldn't manage all the steps where we were).

Not even a reply, also after contacting them a 2nd time.

At the end of that season, we didnt bother renewing at all for the next season. No contact chasing us, asking us why etc etc.

Very poor
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That's appalling.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,105
olderskyblue said:
Must have changed. When I invested in a CRM system, it was costed against the number of users, not the amount of contacts.
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Depends on the system. There’s open source CRMs out there or shit like Zoho which are pretty cheap.
 

Bertola

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,106
Theres new documentation on Companies house. Looks like Doug has taken over Otium, and set up a new company Covcityco Ltd.

People cleverer than me will be able to decipher what everything means
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,107

COVENTRY CITY FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED persons with significant control - Find and update company information - GOV.UK

COVENTRY CITY FOOTBALL CLUB LIMITED - Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activity
find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk

There are still charges to Arvo Master Fund Limited though.

Covcityco looks to be solely Doug King at the minute

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OldBedrocker

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,108
Sick Boy said:
I wonder if what @better days heard will come to anything?
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What was that?
 

Robinshio

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  • Jan 11, 2023
  • #5,109

IGWE, Onyechinaeduanaghaefuuzo Nnatuwereugo​

still the best name ever
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 11, 2023
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