But unless that money is actually spent there's no proof of the money being there. We could put in a £250m bid for Yamal but it means nothing if the deal doesn't go through.We were bidding like £20m worth of bids while there was zero interest in MvE so not sure I buy that. Money is clearly there. The problem seems to be in selecting realistic targets who’s wage expectations we can meet.
Maybe, maybe not, perhaps not all of them together, nobody knows the detail (but then you know that). It's quite likely that any business would have depended on somebody going too. What we do know is that Woolfenden had been on the radar for a long time (like most, if not all of our transfers in)The ITKs said Hughes (which was widely reported) Woolfenden (which happened) and a forward. We were linked with Godo who went for £7m, even if that was too rich you’re talking £14m in bids for Hughes and Woolfenden we know about.
There was clearly money to spend.
Maybe the bids were just posturing to look like we would be busy, and to throw the fans off! No proof we have any money at all.But unless that money is actually spent there's no proof of the money being there. We could put in a £250m bid for Yamal but it means nothing if the deal doesn't go through.
Maybe those bids were made to get the ball rolling so we weren't rushing around last minute but the actual funds to proceed with it were only going to be there if certain transfers out occurred first. As they didn't maybe we never actually had the money to spend
Nobody is arguing there isn't money to spend, the point is, was it Hughes and Wolfenden or was it Hughes or Wolfenden? Would Hughes only have happened if MVE went? We'll never know. Did the Sheaf money cover the Wolfenden fee? As for the ITK's who do you think they are? Only Jimmy really with any credit and he never shared anything, ITK's now = guessers and that's fine, but it's like Chinese whispers. According to this site, Facebook and Twitter the Bovin & Hughes deals were completed on Friday. As soon as someone says it and another repeats it, then it spreads like wildfire and suddenly becomes fact.
I am entirely with Doug King on the way he is conducting the business of our club.
Organic growth is the right way to grow a football club. Our fans backing has enabled him to get it right. Hope he stays the course.
Shame he has the odd (very "odd" detractor).
Deserves all our support.
& no I never met the guy.
If I did I'd tell him to trend up his hair piece.
Good luck DK.
Around £5m seems to get you a solid champ player still in most positions, except top goal scorers. These kinds of players are never going to be turned around for big money though, so you can't be a "Brentford" doing that. The best we can really hope for on average is a return something close to neutral (if you ignore the wages) and everyone else is playing the same game of course! The top money youngsters have youth international pedigree already and these players tend to get signed or get poached much earlier on by the PL clubs. I find it quite interesting that Woolfenden, just for example, was around £4m, Hughes on the other hand has some connection to the England set up. The lower leagues are full of players who never made the progression from the unders so it's always a big gamble. That's why the smaller European markets are so important.the problem we have now is better players will cost more with bigger returns though. So instead of being in the 2-4m market we need to be in the 6-8m market .
totally agree. We have to go up the right way and not throw a load of money at it then it fails and we are left in the shit.
We all want better players and investment but it can’t be just like that. We know we have a process and roughly what we have to work with.
the problem we have now is better players will cost more with bigger returns though. So instead of being in the 2-4m market we need to be in the 6-8m market .
It's pretty clear they're running a budget for around 23-25 seniors registered players. That's still a smallish squad especially with the older/better u-21s out on loan. They'll also be paying player transfers over 3 years or so and big committments in the past couple of seasons will still be pulling on the accounts.I think it’s wages.
It's pretty clear they're running a budget for around 23-25 seniors registered players. That's still a smallish squad especially with the older/better u-21s out on loan. They'll also be paying player transfers over 3 years or so and big committments in the past couple of seasons will still be pulling on the accounts.
Clearly the big value in his investment comes with promotion but the finances are so delicately balanced. The thing that persuaded him to sack Robins in the end was threat to the income streams of a relegation fight.It’s one of the things that makes me think King might sell up to someone with the appetite for that risk to get us over the line if we don’t do it this year.
Clearly the big value in his investment comes with promotion but the finances are so delicately balanced. The thing that persuaded him to sack Robins in the end was threat to the income streams of a relegation fight.
Which is what happened with Sheaf apparently. Wrexham were in for someone and that fell through so they swooped in for Sheaf at the 11th hour which didn't give us any time to find a replacement. Apparently Lampard was well peed off.Which is why you don’t leave all your business until the last minute.
Yes but perhaps not if the total losses start becoming £25 or £30m over the 3 years all of a sudden. As you rightly said it's as much about the wagesI think he’s probably cleaned the club up enough and raised its profile that he could exit with a profit without promotion.
Instalments out are ok as long as they are roughly matched by the payments received for outgoing transfers.It's pretty clear they're running a budget for around 23-25 seniors registered players. That's still a smallish squad especially with the older/better u-21s out on loan. They'll also be paying player transfers over 3 years or so and big committments in the past couple of seasons will still be pulling on the accounts.
Yes, it's still a while before the next accounts are due.Instalments out are ok as long as they are roughly matched by the payments received for outgoing transfers.
If we bid on a player for £10m then yes.So was the money there for transfers or not ?
No proof either way.
Was there any actual proof that bid of that sum was made ? I honestly don't know.If we bid on a player for £10m then yes.
So you are saying King would bid on a player without the funds then, as a bluff?Was there any actual proof that bid of that sum was made ? I honestly don't know.
No thats not what I'm saying. i was just asking whether there was any actual concrete proof that a bid of that amount was made.So you are saying King would bid on a player without the funds then, as a bluff?
Multiple media sourcesNo thats not what I'm saying. i was just asking whether there was any actual concrete proof that a bid of that amount was made.
Which ones in particular ?Multiple media sources
Baz Cooper from the Hull Daily MailWhich ones in particular ?
Not at all. Just paper gossipWas there any actual proof that bid of that sum was made ? I honestly don't know.
What more do you one than one of Hull City's primary reporters mentioning it? The fax that Doug King sent to their owner?Not at all. Just paper gossip
So one source which was reported as a bid believed to be in the region of £10MBaz Cooper from the Hull Daily Mail
What more evidence do you need than that?So one source which was reported as a bid believed to be in the region of £10M
I know there's a lot more to serious negotiations with millions of pounds at stake than that trivial nonsense. It's all click bait!What more do you one than one of Hull City's primary reporters mentioning it? The fax that Doug King sent to their owner?
Chris chatting utter bollocks shock, horror!What more evidence do you need than that?
You think that their paper made up 3 bids?
There was clearly money there to be spent I cant believe you are trying to suggest there isnt
Ah that's lovely . Always good to see others stepping into the breach to help out their insecure friend . Good workChris chatting utter bollocks shock, horror!
Avoiding my question i seeAh that's lovely . Always good to see others stepping into the breach to help out their insecure friend . Good work
Learnt that one from your good self. The next step is diversion and the final one in your armoury abuse .Avoiding my question i see
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