skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Natalie Elphicke? You’ve got to be kidding. Who next Gullis! Not sure WTF Starmer is thinking on this one. He should have stayed well clear. Hope she loses her seat at the GE.
Natalie Elphicke? You’ve got to be kidding. Who next Gullis! Not sure WTF Starmer is thinking on this one. He should have stayed well clear. Hope she loses her seat at the GE.
Yeah it’ll appeal to those who’ve voted Tory in the past rather than traditional Labour voters.It's a pretty easy short term win for Labour really.
The average person on the street won't know who she is or what she stands for, but they will take notice of 'Tory MP defects to Labour and calls Sunak and the Tories useless cunts'.
She's standing down anyway, and Starmer will have her on a short leash until then.
It's not a shift in labour ideology, it's simply another vehicle to stick the boot into the Tories.
The usual crowd won't like it of course but it's pretty obviously good politics.
Is she anti abortionLabour now the party to join if you want to ban abortion but advocate for mild social democracy or the end to a genocide and you'll be booted out.
She voted to make it a criminal offence in NI.Is she anti abortion
Short term just to play the crowd, genuine question how many more are required for Hung parliament?Apparently she backed Truss for PM also. The more I read about her the less it makes sense unless she’s had a road to Damascus style conversion.
It's a give Sunak a kicking on her way out move.Apparently she backed Truss for PM also. The more I read about her the less it makes sense unless she’s had a road to Damascus style conversion.
What's the limit to 'giving Sunak a kicking'?Elphicke is a prick but it's worth it for:
a) Giving Sunak a kicking
b) The utter look of confusion on Gullis' face when he saw her sat behind Starmer.
Think it’s about 320 as Sinn Fein don’t take their seats. So about another 24 defections/resignations from the Tories needed before Sunak needs a deal with the DUP to get anything through although technically he could limp on until a GE unless everyone else clubs together, which ain’t going to happen.Short term just to play the crowd, genuine question how many more are required for Hung parliament?
Think it’s about 320 as Sinn Fein don’t take their seats. So about another 24 defections/resignations from the Tories needed before Sunak needs a deal with the DUP to get anything through although technically he could limp on until a GE unless everyone else clubs together, which ain’t going to happen.
What's the limit to 'giving Sunak a kicking'?
Would you accept Farage into the party? Maybe if Labour bought out policy to export every non-white? That would give him a right kicking.
The nation didn’t get to go to the polls for the last two PMs, never mind constituents being able to have a by election for an MP who changes parties.Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the individual MP, she was elected by her constituency as a Conservative, taking the Tory whip, and supporting a Tory manifesto.
If she wants to stand under a different banner, then it should be put back to the electorate via a by-election.
I'd say the same for anyone who chooses to swap parties post-election.
As for whether it will convince more Tory voters to switch to Labour, who knows - I think most will file under the usual, can't trust a politician to mean what they say opportunism.
It's a win for Starmer though, in his seemingly ceaseless quest to move the party to the right. Whether that's good for the country, I guess we'll see.
What's the limit to 'giving Sunak a kicking'?
Maybe if Labour bought out policy to export every non-white? That would give him a right kicking.
The nation didn’t get to go to the polls for the last two PMs, never mind constituents being able to have a by election for an MP who changes parties.
It's a pretty easy short term win for Labour really.
The average person on the street won't know who she is or what she stands for, but they will take notice of 'Tory MP defects to Labour and calls Sunak and the Tories useless cunts'.
She's standing down anyway, and Starmer will have her on a short leash until then.
It's not a shift in labour ideology, it's simply another vehicle to stick the boot into the Tories.
The usual crowd won't like it of course but it's pretty obviously good politics.
Fucking lolYeah because that's the next logical step after taking in a tory defector isn't it.
Come on, I know you're just making a point but it loses any credence when making such silly comparisons.
Yeah because that's the next logical step after taking in a tory defector isn't it.
Come on, I know you're just making a point but it loses any credence when making such silly comparisons.
Accepting someone who supported a nonce is good politics? Fucking hell.
Then again, if you can support war crimes you can support anything.
Fucking lol
I don't like her or what she stands for any more than you do, but if it results in a net gain of votes/rating then yes that is quite literally good politics.
You'll note from my reply I was referring to the absurd 'exporting all non whites' comment.
Do you have any principals at all?
Is he planning on just staying in on a Friday instead of going on one of his usual rampages then?
I mean I've got more in my left little toe than you have in your entire body that's for sure (though I suppose Islamaphobia is a principle of sorts).
It's a pretty easy short term win for Labour really.
The average person on the street won't know who she is or what she stands for, but they will take notice of 'Tory MP defects to Labour and calls Sunak and the Tories useless cunts'.
She's standing down anyway, and Starmer will have her on a short leash until then.
It's not a shift in labour ideology, it's simply another vehicle to stick the boot into the Tories.
The usual crowd won't like it of course but it's pretty obviously good politics.
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