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shmmeee

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  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,756
BodicoteSkyBlue said:
Shouldn’t be allowed without triggering an instant by election. For whatever reason his constituents voted Conservative, now they’ve got themselves a Labour fella.
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No. You vote for a person not a party.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,757
Anyway, people defecting to your party is a good thing lads.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,758
Sick Boy said:
Have checks not been brought in already??
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Nope! They have been continually delayed since 2021. Shambles.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,759
shmmeee said:
No. You vote for a person not a party.
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If my MP defected to the tories I'd want a by election and be pissed off if it didn't happen.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,760
Streeting was asking for more tories to join Labour this morning
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,761
clint van damme said:
If my MP defected to the tories I'd want a by election and be pissed off if it didn't happen.
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there's an GE this and he's standing down
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,762
David O'Day said:
there's an GE this and he's standing down
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Yeah, appreciate that, just a general point I think there should by elections in these circumstances but can see why its a wate of time and effort on this occasion.
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,763
JAM See said:
I'm struggling with this, I must admit.

I'll be voting Labour at the GE, and I understand that Starmer has to project an image of inclusivity and benevolence, and that he is on the side of the angels.

But, fucking hell!
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So they should miss the chance to give the tories yet another kicking? Especially when it is an NHS doctor saying he is leaving the tories as they are killing the NHS?

He isn't standing in the GE, short term gain and non long term pain.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,764
David O'Day said:
So they should miss the chance to give the tories yet another kicking? Especially when it is an NHS doctor saying he is leaving the tories as they are killing the NHS?

He isn't standing in the GE, short term gain and non long term pain.
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Yes. Do you think anyone is going to be swayed to vote Labour because of this? He was a Tory health minister.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,765
shmmeee said:
No. You vote for a person not a party.
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So if one of the Cov MP's suddenly defected to the Tories everyone would just be "No, fair enough. I voted for the person not the party".

If we vote for the person why even bother putting their party on the ballot paper?
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,766
shmmeee said:
Anyway, people defecting to your party is a good thing lads.
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Not when they're chancers who follow the way the wind blows for their career.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,767
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Not when they're chancers who follow the way the wind blows for their career.
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The shocking thing about that sentence is how many MP’s that could apply too. The two previous PM’s for starters.
 
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duffer

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  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,768
shmmeee said:
No. You vote for a person not a party.
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You vote for a person based on what party they're representing, surely.

Otherwise, as said elsewhere, why would prospective candidates tie themselves to party policies and discipline and have the party name printed directly next to theirs on the ballot paper.

I'd bet a reasonably large number of regular voters couldn't tell you the name of their MP, but they'll know what party they voted for.

If as an MP you're confident that people will vote for you regardless of your change of party allegiance, why not give them a chance to do so in a by-election? That sounds like democracy to me.
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,769
The guy's not standing in an election is he?
So just a stance of objecting to the current regime?
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 29, 2024
  • #34,770
Hamsa Useless likely to quit today
 

JAM See

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  • Apr 29, 2024
  • #34,771
Grendel said:
Hamsa Useless likely to quit today
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Kate Forbes is the favourite to replace him.

God help Scotland.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 29, 2024
  • #34,772
Lord Lazy of Bullingdon slumming it

David Cameron under fire for hiring £42m luxury jet for central Asia tour | David Cameron | The Guardian

Foreign secretary’s use of Embraer Lineage 1000 follows £348,000 bill for James Cleverly’s eight-day trip in similar plane in 2023
amp.theguardian.com
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Apr 29, 2024
  • #34,773
I see the Irish are a bit confused.....

I'm sure it was only last month their Govt. & courts declared the UK as "unsafe" to send migrants.....


 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 29, 2024
  • #34,774
shmmeee said:
Anyway, people defecting to your party is a good thing lads.
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Long held Tories being very comfortable in your party is a really good thing. Really it is.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 29, 2024
  • #34,775
Look at that record, I'm sure he's had a damascene conversion to social democracy

Voting record - Daniel Poulter, former MP, Central Suffolk and North Ipswich

See how Daniel Poulter voted on topics like Employment, Social Issues, Foreign Policy, and more.
www.theyworkforyou.com
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 29, 2024
  • #34,776
fernandopartridge said:
Long held Tories being very comfortable in your party is a really good thing. Really it is.
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Having more votes than the opposition is a good thing. Every Labour MP is a good MP. Even if you lose them on some policy there’s only so many times you can break the whip and stay in the party.
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 29, 2024
  • #34,777
Douglas Ross making a cast iron case for why the UK should have had a general election over 2 years ago through the medium of calling for a Scottish election.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 29, 2024
  • #34,778
shmmeee said:
Having more votes than the opposition is a good thing. Every Labour MP is a good MP. Even if you lose them on some policy there’s only so many times you can break the whip and stay in the party.
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It's a broad church I guess, unless you are left wing
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 29, 2024
  • #34,779
fernandopartridge said:
It's a broad church I guess, unless you are left wing
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Don’t be ridiculous.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 1, 2024
  • #34,780
Pissing it in the polls and yet

 

skybluetony176

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  • May 1, 2024
  • #34,781
fernandopartridge said:
Pissing it in the polls and yet

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In the interest of balance there’s no suggestion in the article that they intend to not increase workers rights just some aspects will be in consultation with industry. Fact is Labour are still going to improve workers rights and apparently in the first 100 days. What you personally won’t admit also is that some of what labour has to reverse is a result of rights lost by Brexit, especially rights to strike which came into force in under Sunak and the EU is currently considering a response to as they believe it may be in breach of the Brexit agreement. Maybe you should have been a bit more concerned about workers rights when you voted Brexit.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 1, 2024
  • #34,782
skybluetony176 said:
In the interest of balance there’s no suggestion in the article that they intend to not increase workers rights just some aspects will be in consultation with industry. Fact is Labour are still going to improve workers rights and apparently in the first 100 days. What you personally won’t admit also is that some of what labour has to reverse is a result of rights lost by Brexit, especially rights to strike which came into force in under Sunak and the EU is currently considering a response to as they believe it may be in breach of the Brexit agreement. Maybe you should have been a bit more concerned about workers rights when you voted Brexit.
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Shut up you Tory idiot. The point is that once again Kier Starmer has reneged on something he'd said he'd do. He is not to be trusted. There need not be 'consultation with business' - such conversations are just an invitation to water things down.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 1, 2024
  • #34,783
skybluetony176 said:
In the interest of balance there’s no suggestion in the article that they intend to not increase workers rights just some aspects will be in consultation with industry. Fact is Labour are still going to improve workers rights and apparently in the first 100 days. What you personally won’t admit also is that some of what labour has to reverse is a result of rights lost by Brexit, especially rights to strike which came into force in under Sunak and the EU is currently considering a response to as they believe it may be in breach of the Brexit agreement. Maybe you should have been a bit more concerned about workers rights when you voted Brexit.
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The irony being that it’s very difficult for workers to gain collective negotiation rights with their employers thanks to decades of increasingly restrictive trade union laws. How many anti union laws did the Blair and Brown governments repeal? None.

So I remain unconvinced that Starmer will.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 1, 2024
  • #34,784
fernandopartridge said:
Shut up you Tory idiot. The point is that once again Kier Starmer has reneged on something he'd said he'd do. He is not to be trusted. There need not be 'consultation with business' - such conversations are just an invitation to water things down.
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Stating facts makes you an idiot. Interesting. Unfortunately for you pretty much every trade union has spent the last few years pointing out those facts. What has Starmer actually promised on this? I can see they’ve done a paper on workers rights but I can’t see that they’ve actually announced policy other than to repeal Sunak’s Minimum Service Laws in the first 100 days. That’s the law they brought in because you trusted them by voting leave. Hey, sounds like Starmer is your man.
 

Ian1779

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  • May 1, 2024
  • #34,785
I can’t wait for Starmer’s ‘you thought 2015 was shit’ manifesto to drop.
 
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hamertime

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #34,786
PVA said:
So. Much. Control.


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There is nothing to exploit, all vehicles are checked for illegal goods at the port as normal.

The checks are purely to check the paper trail at the clearing agent which is something the EU has insisted on not the UK.

The checks couldn’t be done at the port as it would get clogged up.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #34,787
hamertime said:
There is nothing to exploit, all vehicles are checked for illegal goods at the port as normal.

The checks are purely to check the paper trail at the clearing agent which is something the EU has insisted on not the UK.

The checks couldn’t be done at the port as it would get clogged up.
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The EU wouldn't have to insist on it if we hadn't left.
 
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hamertime

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #34,788
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The EU wouldn't have to insist on it if we hadn't left.
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skybluetony176

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #34,789
hamertime said:
There is nothing to exploit, all vehicles are checked for illegal goods at the port as normal.

The checks are purely to check the paper trail at the clearing agent which is something the EU has insisted on not the UK.

The checks couldn’t be done at the port as it would get clogged up.
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The EU hasn’t insisted on anything. That’s just how it’s done anywhere in the world on shipments from somewhere else in the world with the exception of inside the EU. If something is shipped from Australia into the UK under the free trade agreement we have with them you still have to use the same system and processes we volunteered to use on EU shipments by voting leave. Australia don’t make us do it, that’s just how it is. We just simply didn’t prepare for it with our biggest trading partner and the traditional shipping routes we use when trading with them which is why we kept delaying it, it’s as simple as that. It’s almost as if it wasn’t our idea.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 2, 2024
  • #34,790
It’s being reported that Boris Johnson, the PM who insisted that we had to introduce voter ID to stop voter fraud (that doesn’t exist on numbers big enough that you can’t count them on one hand) and is definitely not a tool to hamper voter turnout amongst a demographic that would probably vote for someone else, was turned away from his polling station as he had no ID on him.
 
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