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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Apr 17, 2024
  • #34,721
skybluetony176 said:
The problem I have with the cigarette ban is where do we go from there and is there really any proof that it will work. Personally I think there’s a bigger case for legalising cannabis and licensing the sale of it. And cannabis is the perfect example of something being banned and that ban not working. The health risks from smoking is unquestionable, as is the risks for drinking alcohol and if anything alcohol when you look at the bigger picture is more damaging to society. It puts a strain on the NHS same as smoking, it increases violence both in the streets and in the home unlike smoking and also puts a strain on the judicial system as a consequence of that. When you look at the facts for both alcohol is a far bigger problem for society as a whole not least because it affects every aspect of society but alcohol is used by a far bigger percentage of society.
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I think banning cigarettes is filled with problems. The loss of tax dollars allied to the increased cost in enforcing the ban. The opportunities for crime to fill the void and the lack of control over what is in them, which in turn will have costs involved with people's health.

I'm more for legalisation and contol. And while I know that itself is fraught with problems and dangers it just seems it allows far more control over the issue.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 17, 2024
  • #34,722
fernandopartridge said:
This line of questioning is ridiculous, the government does not need to 'fund' it. Labour going with the household budget mantra to a greater extent than the government.
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Considering it's Tories no.1 go to for any Labour policy it seems fair they get asked the same. Rightly or wrongly, it seems to resonate with voters.

And it's not like they're going to say "we're a sovereign currency so we can print money" so it's a trap that needs an answer. Though chances are they'll make up the bullshit of it creating jobs as people will spend more money.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 17, 2024
  • #34,723
JAM See said:
Although, alcohol is, by and large, a drug that people consume intermittently, to gain enjoyment.

Nicotine use (smoking) is a constant battle to stave off withdrawal.

The two are not compatible for the vast majority of consumers.
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But then you have to ask where the enjoyment comes from? If someone says they can't have an enjoyable night out without a drink, I'd suggest that there is some level of addiction.
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 17, 2024
  • #34,724
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think banning cigarettes is filled with problems. The loss of tax dollars allied to the increased cost in enforcing the ban. The opportunities for crime to fill the void and the lack of control over what is in them, which in turn will have costs involved with people's health.

I'm more for legalisation and contol. And while I know that itself is fraught with problems and dangers it just seems it allows far more control over the issue.
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If they can do that and other stuff we're going to end up like machines they can work for ever!
Of course they can also prescribe that all the young folks can trot off to war and end yourself!
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 17, 2024
  • #34,725
In addition to this gonna be a lot of city fan's disobeying the rules the amount of HT puffers!
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 18, 2024
  • #34,726
JAM See said:
Although, alcohol is, by and large, a drug that people consume intermittently, to gain enjoyment.

Nicotine use (smoking) is a constant battle to stave off withdrawal.

The two are not compatible for the vast majority of consumers.
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I’ve seen more lives ruined by alcohol than nicotine by a long long shot. And there’s 600k recognised alcohol dependents in this country and 10m who drink too much to be healthy. Compared to 6.4m smokers.

By your logic you’d also ban caffeine, which is addictive and causes horrible withdrawals. And gambling, which is also as addictive and ruins many more lives.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 18, 2024
  • #34,727
Interesting shmmeee that you’re a libertarian and wouldn’t ban them. On balance I wouldn’t either but my dad was a nasty man on alcohol
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 18, 2024
  • #34,728
Sky Blue Pete said:
Interesting shmmeee that you’re a libertarian and wouldn’t ban them. On balance I wouldn’t either but my dad was a nasty man on alcohol
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I generally wouldn’t ban anything that affects just the person doing it. Alcohol and some hard drugs test that cos of societal impacts. But equally I’d be a lot tougher on things like casual violence and antisocial behaviour.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 18, 2024
  • #34,729
shmmeee said:
I generally wouldn’t ban anything that affects just the person doing it. Alcohol and some hard drugs test that cos of societal impacts. But equally I’d be a lot tougher on things like casual violence and antisocial behaviour.
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Nuance hey it’ll never work!!!
How you feeling about Sunday?
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 18, 2024
  • #34,730
Sky Blue Pete said:
Nuance hey it’ll never work!!!
How you feeling about Sunday?
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I have a zen like acceptance that we’ll get spanked.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 18, 2024
  • #34,731
Wasn’t it Mark Menzies who got caught with a Brazilian rent boy?

Tory MP Mark Menzies suspended over alleged misuse of campaign funds

Fylde MP Mark Menzies strongly disputes claims he asked a party volunteer for £5,000 to pay "bad people".
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 18, 2024
  • #34,732
skybluetony176 said:
Wasn’t it Mark Menzies who got caught with a Brazilian rent boy?

Tory MP Mark Menzies suspended over alleged misuse of campaign funds

Fylde MP Mark Menzies strongly disputes claims he asked a party volunteer for £5,000 to pay "bad people".
www.bbc.co.uk
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What the fuck is wrong with MPs, in particular Tories ones. Can’t keep their trousers on ! Embarrassing

Dipping into campaign funds to cover for his dirty little mess, defo a police matter and should be sacked. Probably walk away with nice MP pension though. It’s a disgrace
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 18, 2024
  • #34,733
CCFCSteve said:
What the fuck is wrong with MPs, in particular Tories ones. Can’t keep their trousers on ! Embarrassing

Dipping into campaign funds to cover for his dirty little mess, defo a police matter and should be sacked. Probably walk away with nice MP pension though. It’s a disgrace
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It's a criminal gang in suits
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 18, 2024
  • #34,734
CCFCSteve said:
What the fuck is wrong with MPs, in particular Tories ones. Can’t keep their trousers on ! Embarrassing

Dipping into campaign funds to cover for his dirty little mess, defo a police matter and should be sacked. Probably walk away with nice MP pension though. It’s a disgrace
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I agree he should face consequences, but the amount of money involved in this compared to the millions and sometimes billions that were handed out to their mates or vested interests throughout the pandemic is negligible. If the Tories who did that got away with it scott free, why should people like this guy get the book thrown at them?
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 18, 2024
  • #34,735
skybluetony176 said:
Wasn’t it Mark Menzies who got caught with a Brazilian rent boy?

Tory MP Mark Menzies suspended over alleged misuse of campaign funds

Fylde MP Mark Menzies strongly disputes claims he asked a party volunteer for £5,000 to pay "bad people".
www.bbc.co.uk
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Yes it was

You'd think by now the Tory party would be holding a few Grindr safety courses.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 18, 2024
  • #34,736
Think it’s Marie le Conte who said on Twitter it’s extremely funny seeing Tories desperately trying to make the Rayners scandal happen for months and failing miserably while legit scandals keep dropping about Tory MPs.

Big late 90s vibes.
 
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Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 18, 2024
  • #34,737

Peter Murrell charged with embezzlement in SNP finance probe

The husband of Nicola Sturgeon had been re-arrested in connection with the SNP finances investigation.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 18, 2024
  • #34,738
shmmeee said:
Think it’s Marie le Conte who said on Twitter it’s extremely funny seeing Tories desperately trying to make the Rayners scandal happen for months and failing miserably while legit scandals keep dropping about Tory MPs.

Big late 90s vibes.
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Damn straight
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 19, 2024
  • #34,739
There will be no downside, only considerable upsides

UK to delay start of health and safety checks on EU imports – report

New post-Brexit border checks ‘set to zero’ to avoid what Defra calls risk of serious disruption
www.theguardian.com

So long as we don’t implement what we conned you into voting for #takingbackcontrol.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Apr 24, 2024
  • #34,740

The real Labour poll lead

How enthused or confident are voters at the prospect of a Keir Starmer government?
sotn.newstatesman.com
Found this quite interesting. The could be worse responses seem to give some weight to the idea that it's more a case of people not voting Conservative than having any great desire or incentive to vote Labour.

Obviously they will cruise to victory this time round but we all know the tories are masters of reinvention and shifting the blame on to someone else. With the state everything in you'd expect Labour to be in power for a long time but they don't seem to be connecting with voters so is there a risk it will be one term and out?
 

Como

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2024
  • #34,741
The Tories do not need to do anything, if Labour do what they say they will all they need to do is stand back and watch.

I assume there will be a big change in the makeup of any future Tory MP base as many who will lose this time will not stand again.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 24, 2024
  • #34,742
Governments lose elections, oppositions don’t win them. ‘‘twas ever thus.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #34,743
*Lights blue touch paper, withdraws to safe viewing distance*

 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #34,744
shmmeee said:
*Lights blue touch paper, withdraws to safe viewing distance*

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That's great, let's hope he doesn't perform another u turn.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #34,745
chiefdave said:

The real Labour poll lead

How enthused or confident are voters at the prospect of a Keir Starmer government?
sotn.newstatesman.com
Found this quite interesting. The could be worse responses seem to give some weight to the idea that it's more a case of people not voting Conservative than having any great desire or incentive to vote Labour.

Obviously they will cruise to victory this time round but we all know the tories are masters of reinvention and shifting the blame on to someone else. With the state everything in you'd expect Labour to be in power for a long time but they don't seem to be connecting with voters so is there a risk it will be one term and out?
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and that is all you need

The tories will do what they did after 1997 and jerk massively to the right (or even more) and then tack back to the centre
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #34,746
*stares disappointedly at previous blue touch paper, lights different blue touch paper more in hope than expectation*

 

JAM See

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #34,747
shmmeee said:
*stares disappointedly at previous blue touch paper, lights different blue touch paper more in hope than expectation*

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Didn't read the text, just looked at the right/wrong graph.

Is this a poll about the offside decision on Sunday?
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #34,748
So the Scottish First minister needs to beg an MSP who he took the piss out off when they left the SNP to vote for him so he can keep his job
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 25, 2024
  • #34,749
David O'Day said:
So the Scottish First minister needs to beg an MSP who he took the piss out off when they left the SNP to vote for him so he can keep his job
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Another party I look forward to seeing being canned at the next election
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 27, 2024
  • #34,750
Another fucking Tory c**t is welcomed into the labour fold because according to the leader, Labour has changed:

 
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JAM See

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  • Apr 27, 2024
  • #34,751
fernandopartridge said:
Another fucking Tory c**t is welcomed into the labour fold because according to the leader, Labour has changed:

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I'm struggling with this, I must admit.

I'll be voting Labour at the GE, and I understand that Starmer has to project an image of inclusivity and benevolence, and that he is on the side of the angels.

But, fucking hell!
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 27, 2024
  • #34,752
fernandopartridge said:
Another fucking Tory c**t is welcomed into the labour fold because according to the leader, Labour has changed:

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Birds of a feather...
 
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BodicoteSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,753
Shouldn’t be allowed without triggering an instant by election. For whatever reason his constituents voted Conservative, now they’ve got themselves a Labour fella.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,754
So. Much. Control.


 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 28, 2024
  • #34,755
PVA said:
So. Much. Control.


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Have checks not been brought in already??
 
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