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David O'Day

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  • Mar 11, 2024
  • #34,091
fernandopartridge said:
There was a report in one of the papers late last year that he'd been offered significant £ to join Reform.

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On the grift
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,092
Ian1779 said:
Probably think he’s a sex symbol for the racist nans.
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wingy

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,093
What's going on with Tommy Robinson should have been in court this morning, not some arrest to give credence or not to Sunaks speech last week is it?
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,094
PVA said:
Bloody hell that's grim.
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Nothing says 'we're going to fight extremism' like handing multi million pound contracts to racist mysoginsts
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,095
David O'Day said:
On the grift
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Luckily for him the thick racists love parting with their cash to support other thick racists
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,096
Just finished the rest is politics
Such a shame that integrity and honesty are so denigrated in public office
Not saying I’m perfect far from it but you would hope these are traits to admire and pursue
How Boris reached the highest office in the land is utterly bizarre and says more about us than him
 

Mild-Mannered Janitor

Kindest Bloke on CCFC / Maker of CCFC Dreams
  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,097
wingy said:
And landlords, don't forget them despicable buggers feeding off the other side of society, get out the way and let people own them instead paying your mortgage!All stacked in their favour with this help, that tax benifit guaranteed, some right shady buggers getting in there accessing dodgy money,stick your HMO's and flat conversions up yer arse!
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It's time to confess that I am a landlord, purchased it with some savings to provide an alternative to my pension savings a 15 years ago and give me a monthly fixed amount when I retire as opposed to trusting annuities and me dying straight away and the wife/children not having any benefit from that pension.
I have the same tenants are still in there, yes, they are paying for the investment, but equally, it started at £500 rent and we have never increased it in all the years they have been there and always give them the December money back for Christmas

I have offered for them to buy it but they don't want to and are happy with staying rented, which some are, but what they all need, is protection around the scandalous rents that the majority do charge and continue to increase but sadly, you only have to look at the US and the private rented sector and big funds owning the majority of the market, its happening here and all around Wembley as an example is private PRS charging a fortune.
It will either be unaffordable in the future, crash down in values, or leave local authorities paying a fortune to house people in 1 bedsits in a shared HMO's or PRS apartments. Cracking down on private landlords is one element but its the big PRS players that are driving a crazy market, same as for the student market
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,098
Prince Andrew advising the tories on PR?
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,099
Sky Blue Pete said:
Just finished the rest is politics
Such a shame that integrity and honesty are so denigrated in public office
Not saying I’m perfect far from it but you would hope these are traits to admire and pursue
How Boris reached the highest office in the land is utterly bizarre and says more about us than him
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He's back in some form!
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,100
He can’t be a racist he does business in Jamaica.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,101
wingy said:
He's back in some form!
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They recon he’ll be standing in the next GE, presumably as a Tory with one eye being leader of the opposition after the GE.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,102
More fringe views from the erm Financial Times


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wingy

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,103
fernandopartridge said:
More fringe views from the erm Financial Times


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Argentina dealing with the lenders then?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,104
wingy said:
Argentina dealing with the lenders then?
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Argentina borrows money denominated in other currencies, the UK does not do that nor need to.

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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,105
fernandopartridge said:
Argentina borrows money denominated in other currencies, the UK does not do that nor need to.

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Not sure that’s 100% correct. IIRC from something I read a long time ago the government doesn’t but the BOE does, especially in USD and EUR. We might not be as exposed as Argentina given the Peso is worthless (especially true since it’s lurch into right wing populism) but we are exposed at least through the BOE.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,106
skybluetony176 said:
Not sure that’s 100% correct. IIRC from something I read a long time ago the government doesn’t but the BOE does, especially in USD and EUR. We might not be as exposed as Argentina given the Peso is worthless (especially true since it’s lurch into right wing populism) but we are exposed at least through the BOE.
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No it doesn't, it might have foreign currency reserves but they are a different thing

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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,107
fernandopartridge said:
More fringe views from the erm Financial Times


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Never trust a Twitter/X page which doesn’t link whole article

This wasn’t FTs view it was a debate article from 2020…prior to rampant inflation. The exert was written by…..surprise surprise…

The writer is a professor of economics and public policy at Stony Brook University and author of the forthcoming book “The Deficit Myth”

https://www.ft.com/content/53cb3f6a-895d-11ea-a109-483c62d17528

The funny thing is the article was debating the risks of inflation and whether the covid monetary policy ie everyone printing hundreds of billions, might cause inflation. The alternative view

‘This dangerous monetary practice ensures inflation is around the corner’

We all know what happened next…..
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,108
CCFCSteve said:
Never trust a Twitter/X page which doesn’t link whole article

This wasn’t FTs view it was a debate article from 2020…prior to rampant inflation. The exert was written by…..surprise surprise…

The writer is a professor of economics and public policy at Stony Brook University and author of the forthcoming book “The Deficit Myth”

https://www.ft.com/content/53cb3f6a-895d-11ea-a109-483c62d17528

The funny thing is the article was debating the risks of inflation and whether the covid monetary policy ie everyone printing hundreds of billions, might cause inflation. The alternative view

‘This dangerous monetary practice ensures inflation is around the corner’

We all know what happened next…..
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You think the inflation driven by energy costs, supply constraints and then by war was due to "covid printing money".
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,109
fernandopartridge said:
You think the inflation driven by energy costs, supply constraints and then by war was due to "covid printing money".
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It was the perfect storm but there is no doubt that printing money especially during a supply side shock had a significant affect on inflation. I’ve said before have a look at what’s happened to asset values, especially US stock market even prior to war. Look at what you can buy for your pound or dollar today compared to say 15 years ago. I could go on but as I’ve said before we’ll have to agree to disagree

The point of my post wasnt to get into the debate again but to say that the X post was disingenuous
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,110

Good
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,111
Evo1883 said:

Good
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Agree with that. Whatever views people have on trans rights making biological interventions like this on particularly vulnerable children just isn't right.

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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 12, 2024
  • #34,112
So he’s not just black racist, he’s Asian racist too

‘No room for the Indians?’: Tory donor Frank Hester suggested staff climb on train roof

Exclusive: Revelation comes as comments made about Diane Abbott are widely condemned
www.theguardian.com
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 13, 2024
  • #34,113
Tories doing the rounds this morning again covering themselves in glory. Not only do they not intend to give the money back they’d except more from him.

Looks like Abbot has reported him to the police specifically on the someone should kill her part.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 13, 2024
  • #34,114
skybluetony176 said:
Tories doing the rounds this morning again covering themselves in glory. Not only do they not intend to give the money back they’d except more from him.

Looks like Abbot has reported him to the police specifically on the someone should kill her part.
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If an equivalent on the Labour side said the same about a Jewish figure we all know what the headlines would be and Sky would be reporting ‘Labour denies they are like Nazis’ again.

Maybe it should be ‘Tories deny they are like KKK’
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 13, 2024
  • #34,115
Do wish we’d stop pretending we don’t understand hyperbole and rhetoric. “Needs shooting” is not a genuine call for violence against someone.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 13, 2024
  • #34,116
shmmeee said:
Do wish we’d stop pretending we don’t understand hyperbole and rhetoric. “Needs shooting” is not a genuine call for violence against someone.
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Not to someone like you perhaps
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 13, 2024
  • #34,117
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not to someone like you perhaps
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Not to anyone remotely serious.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 13, 2024
  • #34,118
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Not to someone like you perhaps
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Well John McDonnell said the same about Thatcher
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 13, 2024
  • #34,119
Grendel said:
Well John McDonnell said the same about Thatcher
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And Phillips about Corbyn. It’s a tried abd tested political tactic to pretend you don’t understand language to frame your opponent as violent. Just silly all round and minimises actual violent speech.
 
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JAM See

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  • Mar 13, 2024
  • #34,120
shmmeee said:
Do wish we’d stop pretending we don’t understand hyperbole and rhetoric. “Needs shooting” is not a genuine call for violence against someone.
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It's the narrative that's worrying.

You seem to be giving the green light to racist misogynist 'banter' in public places.

I'd be horrified if I heard that type of language at the match.

Do SWFC 'fans' have the right to say that Kasey Palmer's behaviour makes them hate all black men?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 13, 2024
  • #34,121
JAM See said:
It's the narrative that's worrying.

You seem to be giving the green light to racist misogynist 'banter' in public places.

I'd be horrified if I heard that type of language at the match.

Do SWFC 'fans' have the right to say that Kasey Palmer's behaviour makes them hate all black men?
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Not sure if you’ve misread, nowhere am I talking about the racist or misogynistic language, except where I expressed dismay at the blatant lie that it wasn’t racist and misogynistic.

My issue is with reporting him to the police for incitement to violence when that very clearly wasn’t what happened. Saying someone needs shooting is a very normal figure of speech which in no way is a call to violence.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Mar 13, 2024
  • #34,122
shmmeee said:
Not to anyone remotely serious.
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Problem is that the right is full of nutters who aren’t shy of resorting to violence. Ask Jo Coxes family. It only needs one to take it as a call to arms. So at the end of the day I guess it depends on your definition of “serious”.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 13, 2024
  • #34,123
shmmeee said:
And Phillips about Corbyn. It’s a tried abd tested political tactic to pretend you don’t understand language to frame your opponent as violent. Just silly all round and minimises actual violent speech.
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Frank Hester isn't a politician, he's owner of one of the duopoly of GP clinical systems.

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  • Mar 13, 2024
  • #34,124
shmmeee said:
Not sure if you’ve misread, nowhere am I talking about the racist or misogynistic language, except where I expressed dismay at the blatant lie that it wasn’t racist and misogynistic.

My issue is with reporting him to the police for incitement to violence when that very clearly wasn’t what happened. Saying someone needs shooting is a very normal figure of speech which in no way is a call to violence.
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We've had two MPs killed in recent years by people claiming political motivations which were clearly an extreme interpretation of mainstream rhetoric.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 13, 2024
  • #34,125
Grendel said:
Well John McDonnell said the same about Thatcher
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And he shouldn’t have
 
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